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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1861 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:25 pm

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I feel targeted.

I got a small island. It wasn't much of an ask but it was what I wanted.


I've been gifted a small greek island by the jewish world order and will have to switch from blintzes and dill pickles to drolmas and olives, but it is a sacrifice I'm willing to make
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1862 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:30 pm

E-Balla wrote:
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E-Balla wrote:I'm still kinda shocked at how many neoliberals and so called revolutionary leftists are ignoring his obvious call to action... Like Trump is mobilizing his brownshirts, where's the political leaders openly calling for impeachment and squashing this before we end up the Weimar Republic 2.0.

Like at this point it's not even being overboard to say Trump came mask off, full 100% fascist, and it seems like no one with the power to do anything is taking it any type of seriously. Like why are they discussing Trump saying he will use the SCOTUS to take power regardless of the vote and calling on his brownshirts to murder people and guard the polls the same way we talked about him grabbing women by the pussy? Like one is vulgar and rape, the other is literally him openly saying he will and has already started a fascist takeover of the country.

That link Clyde_Style posted that Trump tweeted for his poll watchers is armyfortrump.com it's not even like it's not blatant. It's as open as open could be. Like seriously he should've been arrested by federal agents ON STAGE after saying that ****.

Like WTF is wrong with the American left? Are we as a collective just stupid and **** and deserving of this because at this point I feel like we must be.


The mask has been off since he gassed that group for a photo opp, imo.

That was a bad moment but it wasn't him saying he wouldn't leave office peacefully no matter what.


but it may end up being tangentially related, because the general who blundered into this debacle immediately went public with their disavowal of the event, an apology and a vow to oppose military use against civilians again

following that came large scale declarations of support for Biden by retired senior military

Trump can't barricade himself in the WH if it is proven he lost and if it ever comes down to it that the Secret Service and U.S. Marshalls need to forcibly remove him Trump's commands to the military to stop them will fall on deaf ears
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1863 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:33 pm

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He's had multiple opportunities to clarify some of his inflammatory remarks from last night and at least begin the process of backpedaling. His son was on CBS News after the debate and made mention that his father had some miscues that weren't intentional.

Him pivoting in the manner he did in the video today clearly shows how self-absorbed he is. I'm just curious to how big of a percentage these "white supremacists" are that vote(d) for him. It must be statistically significant since he doesn't seem to have any intention of denouncing any of these hate groups.


Jr. is going to be found dead from cocaine abuse

Rick Santorum and Chris Christie were going all out to defend Trump last night. Santorum even got himself into a bind where he had to acknowledge white supremacists constitute Trump's core support. fk these fksticks

After "I don't wanna help black people" I'm wondering how Santorum still has a job. Then I remember Ollie North literally committed treason but Fox has him on to call Kaep unamerican.


I believe Santorum said "Blah people"
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1864 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:37 pm

Trump's final days in the bunker is going to produce at least several classic Bruno Ganz Downfall video dubs

All of his remaining crew are going to be scurrying about shredding the crap out of the paper trail. Biden is going to find nothing but confetti and empty file cabinets
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1865 » by Capn'O » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:38 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
The mask has been off since he gassed that group for a photo opp, imo.

That was a bad moment but it wasn't him saying he wouldn't leave office peacefully no matter what.


but it may end up being tangentially related, because the general who blundered into this debacle immediately went public with their disavowal of the event, an apology and a vow to oppose military use against civilians again

following that came large scale declarations of support for Biden by retired senior military

Trump can't barricade himself in the WH if it is proven he lost and if it ever comes down to it that the Secret Service and U.S. Marshalls need to forcibly remove him Trump's commands to the military to stop them will fall on deaf ears


He doesn't have backing from the military proper is my read but he has DHS and his Proud army.

Them... I'm not sure what to make of. We were supposed to have 20,000 of them in Portland and they ended up outnumbered and just kinda piddled about. At the end of the day, most of them are scared **** less of cities (and the varieties of people in them).

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1866 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:42 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Trump's final days in the bunker is going to produce at least several classic Bruno Ganz Downfall video dubs

All of his remaining crew are going to be scurrying about shredding the crap out of the paper trail. Biden is going to find nothing but confetti and empty file cabinets


You can't hide evidence anymore. Trump is going to jail when this is all over.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1867 » by E-Balla » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:45 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
The mask has been off since he gassed that group for a photo opp, imo.

That was a bad moment but it wasn't him saying he wouldn't leave office peacefully no matter what.


but it may end up being tangentially related, because the general who blundered into this debacle immediately went public with their disavowal of the event, an apology and a vow to oppose military use against civilians again

following that came large scale declarations of support for Biden by retired senior military

Trump can't barricade himself in the WH if it is proven he lost and if it ever comes down to it that the Secret Service and U.S. Marshalls need to forcibly remove him Trump's commands to the military to stop them will fall on deaf ears

It's not the military I'm worried about. It's these right wing militias and the individual members of the military that will join them if needed.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1868 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:49 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
E-Balla wrote:That was a bad moment but it wasn't him saying he wouldn't leave office peacefully no matter what.


but it may end up being tangentially related, because the general who blundered into this debacle immediately went public with their disavowal of the event, an apology and a vow to oppose military use against civilians again

following that came large scale declarations of support for Biden by retired senior military

Trump can't barricade himself in the WH if it is proven he lost and if it ever comes down to it that the Secret Service and U.S. Marshalls need to forcibly remove him Trump's commands to the military to stop them will fall on deaf ears


He doesn't have backing from the military proper is my read but he has DHS and his Proud army.

Them... I'm not sure what to make of. We were supposed to have 20,000 of them in Portland and they ended up outnumbered and just kinda piddled about. At the end of the day, most of them are scared **** less of cities (and the varieties of people in them).

#patriots4gtfomycity


If you scroll back a page or two I posted the twitter clip with his previous DHS chief destroying Trump. The current guy is nightmarish so that may not matter now, but there has to be a large number of people in the ranks who've seen bad stuff and are feeling morally compromised. Whether that results in any kind of rebellion I doubt it, but very recent members of this administration are speaking out and telling the truth

But as you say, pretty everything Trump does is assbackwards so if he can fck something up he probably will
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1869 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:54 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Trump's final days in the bunker is going to produce at least several classic Bruno Ganz Downfall video dubs

All of his remaining crew are going to be scurrying about shredding the crap out of the paper trail. Biden is going to find nothing but confetti and empty file cabinets


You can't hide evidence anymore. Trump is going to jail when this is all over.


I know that. It won't stop these clowns from crapping all over the place on their way out the door. They were busted doctoring the WH visitor's log in Trump's first year in an attempt to hide who came and went. You know who knows what operatives tried to slink in and out of there? The intelligence community has logs on everything Trump does and there are actual patriots who have the receipts for when Trump is out of the WH

Even without those details Trump's banking records are enough to put him away. That's already being prepped. He'll be arrested and tried in 2021 and appeals don't really help with tax fraud cases. They are pretty open and shut. He might be in full orange gear by the end of next year
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1870 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:00 am

E-Balla wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
E-Balla wrote:That was a bad moment but it wasn't him saying he wouldn't leave office peacefully no matter what.


but it may end up being tangentially related, because the general who blundered into this debacle immediately went public with their disavowal of the event, an apology and a vow to oppose military use against civilians again

following that came large scale declarations of support for Biden by retired senior military

Trump can't barricade himself in the WH if it is proven he lost and if it ever comes down to it that the Secret Service and U.S. Marshalls need to forcibly remove him Trump's commands to the military to stop them will fall on deaf ears

It's not the military I'm worried about. It's these right wing militias and the individual members of the military that will join them if needed.


That's the interim period. There are loonies who may break rank and go bananas and join a militia for some murdering in the streets, but you know what happens then? They'll be staring down the shaft of the barrel at their former colleagues and will go out in a body bag. There may be no stopping the bloodshed, but none of them will survive if they go wilding. I don't care how many Nazis are now in the police ranks, no sheriff or police chief can afford Kenosha x10. That was a lone d-bag who was sheltered by cops. I get it. There are cops who want to see this stuff happen, but a lone gunman is different than posses roaming the streets unloading their ammo. If it comes down to that they'll get in a firefight with authorities and they will lose. I hope nobody innocent gets hurt, but I know that may be coming
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1871 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:03 am

Proof that right wing/alt-right/white supremacists are the leading cause of terrorism in the United States today by 9:1.

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The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States
CSIS Briefs
June 17, 2020

The United States faces a growing terrorism problem that will likely worsen over the next year. Based on a CSIS data set of terrorist incidents, the most significant threat likely comes from white supremacists, though anarchists and religious extremists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda could present a potential threat as well. Over the rest of 2020, the terrorist threat in the United States will likely rise based on several factors, including the November 2020 presidential election.

On June 3, 2020, federal authorities arrested three individuals allegedly associated with the “boogaloo” movement, a loosely-organized group of extremists preparing for a civil war, for conspiring to cause violence in Las Vegas and possessing an improvised incendiary device.1 Less than a week later, law enforcement officials near Richmond, VA, arrested Harry H. Rogers, a member of the Ku Klux Klan, for driving a vehicle into peaceful protesters. Around the same time, members of a Brooklyn anarchist group urged its supporters to conduct “rebellion” against the government.2 Extremists from all sides flooded social media with disinformation, conspiracy theories, and incitements to violence in response to the protests following the death of George Floyd, swamping Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and other platforms.3

This CSIS brief examines the state of terrorism in the United States. It asks two sets of questions. First, what are the most significant types of terrorism in the United States, and how has the terrorism threat in the U.S. homeland evolved over time? Second, what are the implications for terrorism over the next year? To answer these questions, this analysis compiles and analyzes an original data set of 893 terrorist plots and attacks in the United States between January 1994 and May 2020.

This analysis makes several arguments. First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Second, terrorism in the United States will likely increase over the next year in response to several factors. One of the most concerning is the 2020 U.S. presidential election, before and after which extremists may resort to violence, depending on the outcome of the election. Far-right and far-left networks have used violence against each other at protests, raising the possibility of escalating violence during the election period.

The rest of this brief is divided into the following sections. The first defines terrorism and its main types. The second section analyzes terrorism trends in the United States since 1994. The third examines far-right, far-left, and religious networks. The fourth section highlights the terrorism threat over the next year.

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1872 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:10 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Trump's final days in the bunker is going to produce at least several classic Bruno Ganz Downfall video dubs

All of his remaining crew are going to be scurrying about shredding the crap out of the paper trail. Biden is going to find nothing but confetti and empty file cabinets


You can't hide evidence anymore. Trump is going to jail when this is all over.


I know that. It won't stop these clowns from crapping all over the place on their way out the door. They were busted doctoring the WH visitor's log in Trump's first year in an attempt to hide who came and went. You know who knows what operatives tried to slink in and out of there? The intelligence community has logs on everything Trump does and there are actual patriots who have the receipts for when Trump is out of the WH

Even without those details Trump's banking records are enough to put him away. That's already being prepped. He'll be arrested and tried in 2021 and appeals don't really help with tax fraud cases. They are pretty open and shut. He might be in full orange gear by the end of next year


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Post#1873 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:21 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
You can't hide evidence anymore. Trump is going to jail when this is all over.


I know that. It won't stop these clowns from crapping all over the place on their way out the door. They were busted doctoring the WH visitor's log in Trump's first year in an attempt to hide who came and went. You know who knows what operatives tried to slink in and out of there? The intelligence community has logs on everything Trump does and there are actual patriots who have the receipts for when Trump is out of the WH

Even without those details Trump's banking records are enough to put him away. That's already being prepped. He'll be arrested and tried in 2021 and appeals don't really help with tax fraud cases. They are pretty open and shut. He might be in full orange gear by the end of next year


I know that you know that I know that, you know?


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Post#1874 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:23 am

Trump holding another super-spreader campaign rally tonight in Duluth, Minnesota.

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Post#1875 » by Pointgod » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:23 am

Capn'O wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
E-Balla wrote:That was a bad moment but it wasn't him saying he wouldn't leave office peacefully no matter what.


but it may end up being tangentially related, because the general who blundered into this debacle immediately went public with their disavowal of the event, an apology and a vow to oppose military use against civilians again

following that came large scale declarations of support for Biden by retired senior military

Trump can't barricade himself in the WH if it is proven he lost and if it ever comes down to it that the Secret Service and U.S. Marshalls need to forcibly remove him Trump's commands to the military to stop them will fall on deaf ears


He doesn't have backing from the military proper is my read but he has DHS and his Proud army.

Them... I'm not sure what to make of. We were supposed to have 20,000 of them in Portland and they ended up outnumbered and just kinda piddled about. At the end of the day, most of them are scared **** less of cities (and the varieties of people in them).

#patriots4gtfomycity


Here’s the thing about Trump and the majority of his supporters like the Proud Boys. Deep down inside they’re insecure cowards. They only find strength in numbers and demeaning people. That’s why I don’t actually expect to see wide spread violence if Trump loses. These people are deeply fundamentally too lazy and scared to do anything other than talk a big game. I really hope that on the night Biden wins, people stay in and let the proud boys get dealt with by the police.
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Post#1876 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:36 am

Honest question for people who think Trump is a fascist, can you explain using his actions and not his words how he has been a fascist through his first four years?
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Post#1877 » by E-Balla » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:36 am

Pointgod wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
but it may end up being tangentially related, because the general who blundered into this debacle immediately went public with their disavowal of the event, an apology and a vow to oppose military use against civilians again

following that came large scale declarations of support for Biden by retired senior military

Trump can't barricade himself in the WH if it is proven he lost and if it ever comes down to it that the Secret Service and U.S. Marshalls need to forcibly remove him Trump's commands to the military to stop them will fall on deaf ears


He doesn't have backing from the military proper is my read but he has DHS and his Proud army.

Them... I'm not sure what to make of. We were supposed to have 20,000 of them in Portland and they ended up outnumbered and just kinda piddled about. At the end of the day, most of them are scared **** less of cities (and the varieties of people in them).

#patriots4gtfomycity


Here’s the thing about Trump and the majority of his supporters like the Proud Boys. Deep down inside they’re insecure cowards. They only find strength in numbers and demeaning people. That’s why I don’t actually expect to see wide spread violence if Trump loses. These people are deeply fundamentally too lazy and scared to do anything other than talk a big game. I really hope that on the night Biden wins, people stay in and let the proud boys get dealt with by the police.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You realize the police have been helping and thanking them right? The police are on their side. In Kenoshia the officers were literally thanking the militia and there's videos of militia members that had a change of heart telling protesters the police told them they'd funnel the protesters to one area and "let y'all take care of them."

Really Pointgod you think the police are here to protect us?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#1878 » by E-Balla » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:39 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
but it may end up being tangentially related, because the general who blundered into this debacle immediately went public with their disavowal of the event, an apology and a vow to oppose military use against civilians again

following that came large scale declarations of support for Biden by retired senior military

Trump can't barricade himself in the WH if it is proven he lost and if it ever comes down to it that the Secret Service and U.S. Marshalls need to forcibly remove him Trump's commands to the military to stop them will fall on deaf ears

It's not the military I'm worried about. It's these right wing militias and the individual members of the military that will join them if needed.


That's the interim period. There are loonies who may break rank and go bananas and join a militia for some murdering in the streets, but you know what happens then? They'll be staring down the shaft of the barrel at their former colleagues and will go out in a body bag. There may be no stopping the bloodshed, but none of them will survive if they go wilding. I don't care how many Nazis are now in the police ranks, no sheriff or police chief can afford Kenosha x10. That was a lone d-bag who was sheltered by cops. I get it. There are cops who want to see this stuff happen, but a lone gunman is different than posses roaming the streets unloading their ammo. If it comes down to that they'll get in a firefight with authorities and they will lose. I hope nobody innocent gets hurt, but I know that may be coming

I don't see the military doing that. I just don't. I see more of the military being on Trump's side than against and I think their votes prove that well. Like what authorities in the US with the power and structure to squash a widespread militia are against this? How many times do these people that you think are here to protect us have to show their ass for you to realize that's not their function at all and it's never been.
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Post#1879 » by Pointgod » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:41 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Honest question for people who think Trump is a fascist, can you explain using his actions and not his words how he has been a fascist through his first four years?


HE LITERALLY TEAR GASSED PEACEFUL PROTESTORS FOR A PHOTO OP.
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Post#1880 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:41 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Trump holding another super-spreader campaign rally tonight in Duluth, Minnesota.



looks like 25,000 people there, easy

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