2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[Capn'O]

Lol at not knowing the difference between a country that has already had a full on authoritarian takeover and one that hasn't.

[Dr Positivity]

You’re a waste of time

Why I don't think Trump has been a fascist:

- Trump is against COVID lockdowns, but blue states are allowed to lock down
- Trump is against BLM/ANTIFA rioting, but blue states have been handling their own business (sure he sent in some FBI, but his philosophy has largely been to stay away until they ask him, or else this would have ended ages ago)
- Trump's mortal enemy is the mainstream media, but he has not banned them

He allows the opposing party which he considers his enemy to run nearly half the country in a way he wildly disagrees with, including several of the most important states like California, New York and Illinois. Is this fascism?

In my opinion a real fascist like Xi would react very differently to all these situations. He wouldn't allow half the country to go against the CCP's orders when it comes to the lockdown, wouldn't allow free protest and certainly wouldn't allow the type of press against him that Trump has.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/us/portland-federal-legal-jurisdiction-courts.html

Lmao shut your dumb ass up. Xi would react differently? Did the CCP do even half as much to the HK protesters as the American police and Trump's federal agents did? No? Go play in traffic dude. Literally coming to talk about **** that don't have nothing to do with you because you hate non white people so much, ain't that some ****.

Outside of protecting their own courthouse he has left Portland alone 99% of the time for 4 months despite how he could take care of it in about an hour if he wanted. Except for one week where he let two agents get caught on camera on purpose. Which was a PR play cause he wanted the Democrat governors to tweet at him to stay away from their states, which he could point to from that point forward to say the riots are on them.

Secondly this election will affect me more than any Canadian election of my lifetime, and it's not even close. Anyone who thinks the US being free is at stake in this election (whether they think Trump or Democrats would seize authoritarian control) should be very invested in this election. Because the main reason the rest of the world is free is America believes in it so much and has the biggest military.

[Clyde_Style]

The rank and file are the ones that actually matter. Mattis ain't suiting up bro.

You've got it backwards. Rank and file that go rogue are dangerous to innocent bystanders, but they have zero influence on the transition of power. The actual rank and file will follow orders

This is just not how human beings work. Sure they'll blindly follow commands to go bomb 12 year olds in Iraq for oil money. Probably not to go shoot their military LARPing cousin Jimbo who's part of the Trump paramilitary.

OK, well, we shall see how it plays out. My end point was that rogue rank and file are not going to keep Trump in the WH after he loses. On January 21, he's out on Air Force One or in restraints. His choice

[Clyde_Style]

It was an honor to meet North Korea's one and only Raptors fan

[Capn'O]

The rank and file are the ones that actually matter. Mattis ain't suiting up bro.

You've got it backwards. Rank and file that go rogue are dangerous to innocent bystanders, but they have zero influence on the transition of power. The actual rank and file will follow orders

This is just not how human beings work. Sure they'll blindly follow commands to go bomb 12 year olds in Iraq for oil money. Probably not to go shoot their military LARPing cousin Jimbo who's part of the Trump paramilitary.

If you mean that nobody will be out in the streets protecting you then yes. Nobody will be out in the streets protecting you. That's not the point regarding power transfer.

[E-Balla]

Why I don't think Trump has been a fascist:

- Trump is against COVID lockdowns, but blue states are allowed to lock down
- Trump is against BLM/ANTIFA rioting, but blue states have been handling their own business (sure he sent in some FBI, but his philosophy has largely been to stay away until they ask him, or else this would have ended ages ago)
- Trump's mortal enemy is the mainstream media, but he has not banned them

He allows the opposing party which he considers his enemy to run nearly half the country in a way he wildly disagrees with, including several of the most important states like California, New York and Illinois. Is this fascism?

In my opinion a real fascist like Xi would react very differently to all these situations. He wouldn't allow half the country to go against the CCP's orders when it comes to the lockdown, wouldn't allow free protest and certainly wouldn't allow the type of press against him that Trump has.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/us/portland-federal-legal-jurisdiction-courts.html

Lmao shut your dumb ass up. Xi would react differently? Did the CCP do even half as much to the HK protesters as the American police and Trump's federal agents did? No? Go play in traffic dude. Literally coming to talk about **** that don't have nothing to do with you because you hate non white people so much, ain't that some ****.

Outside of protecting their own courthouse he has left Portland alone 99% of the time for 4 months despite how he could take care of it in about an hour if he wanted. Except for one week where he let two agents get caught on camera on purpose. Which was a PR play cause he wanted the Democrat governors to tweet at him to stay away from their states, which he could point to from that point forward to say the riots are on them.

Secondly this election will affect me more than any Canadian election of my lifetime, and it's not even close. Anyone who thinks the US being free is at stake in this election (whether they think Trump or Democrats would seize authoritarian control) should be very invested in this election. Because the main reason the rest of the world is free is America believes in it so much and has the biggest military.

So you're not even going to pretend you read the article huh.

Or my bad maybe this is what the nonsense Q websites you visit told you.

Imma chill though because I really just wanna go in on your dumb ass and the mods here are cool but not that cool.

[Clyde_Style]

Trump is a parody of a stupid dictator. He is so dumb and lazy that he doesn't even know the law or how government actually functions. So he will just spitball his way to the end hoping for some magical resolution, but when you are already reduced to claiming the election is fake before it happens and asking for a bunch of losers with shoulder patches to have your back I'd say he is not the fearsome creature some portray him as. He's probably the most pathetic loser I've ever seen in my life and he's going to lose everything. He's so ridiculous I cannot take seriously anyone who idolizes him. If you love Trump you're a joke to me.

[E-Balla]

You've got it backwards. Rank and file that go rogue are dangerous to innocent bystanders, but they have zero influence on the transition of power. The actual rank and file will follow orders

This is just not how human beings work. Sure they'll blindly follow commands to go bomb 12 year olds in Iraq for oil money. Probably not to go shoot their military LARPing cousin Jimbo who's part of the Trump paramilitary.

If you mean that nobody will be out in the streets protecting you then yes. Nobody will be out in the streets protecting you. That's not the point regarding power transfer.

If right wing militas are out in the streets and only answer to Trump anything short of stopping them isn't going to help the country transition. Republicans hold too much power in the US government and we all know it.

[E-Balla]

You've got it backwards. Rank and file that go rogue are dangerous to innocent bystanders, but they have zero influence on the transition of power. The actual rank and file will follow orders

This is just not how human beings work. Sure they'll blindly follow commands to go bomb 12 year olds in Iraq for oil money. Probably not to go shoot their military LARPing cousin Jimbo who's part of the Trump paramilitary.

OK, well, we shall see how it plays out. My end point was that rogue rank and file are not going to keep Trump in the WH after he loses. On January 21, he's out on Air Force One or in restraints. His choice

I can see him getting arrested. The response to that scares me more than the possibility that he isn't arrested honestly.

[Clyde_Style]

This is just not how human beings work. Sure they'll blindly follow commands to go bomb 12 year olds in Iraq for oil money. Probably not to go shoot their military LARPing cousin Jimbo who's part of the Trump paramilitary.

If you mean that nobody will be out in the streets protecting you then yes. Nobody will be out in the streets protecting you. That's not the point regarding power transfer.

If right wing militas are out in the streets and only answer to Trump anything short of stopping them isn't going to help the country transition. Republicans hold too much power in the US government and we all know it.

Too many Purge movies. I'll return your remote in a week after you decompress

[Clyde_Style]

This is just not how human beings work. Sure they'll blindly follow commands to go bomb 12 year olds in Iraq for oil money. Probably not to go shoot their military LARPing cousin Jimbo who's part of the Trump paramilitary.

OK, well, we shall see how it plays out. My end point was that rogue rank and file are not going to keep Trump in the WH after he loses. On January 21, he's out on Air Force One or in restraints. His choice

I can see him getting arrested. The response to that scares me more than the possibility that he isn't arrested honestly.

This is where I'm in full agreement with you. The potential for militia or lone gunman violence in response to Trump losing and then being hauled out of there is a serious threat

Those characters will not keep him in power, but they will kill innocent people. It's a bummer, but it is hard to imagine it not happening at this point

[Pointgod]

You realize the police have been helping and thanking them right? The police are on their side. In Kenoshia the officers were literally thanking the militia and there's videos of militia members that had a change of heart telling protesters the police told them they'd funnel the protesters to one area and "let y'all take care of them."

Really Pointgod you think the police are here to protect us?

of course not, come on, you should know from my posting I don’t believe that. Look if Biden wins that’s it, it’s over nothing Trump can do. What better way to perfectly show the end of his Presidency than election result footage of empty streets with just the Proud Boys and cops circle jerking each other The perfect pathetic representation of Trump’s America.

There's nothing Trump can do... Other than what he's saying he'll do? Who's going to stop him is what I want to know. Has he been stopped yet? Has he not clearly committed actions that in a functioning democracy would've got him removed from office?

I don’t have time to get into details but you can search my posts a few pages back. Trump’s whole plan to throw the election to the Supreme Court depends on a close election in almost all the battle ground states.

The Secretaries of State run the elections and the Governors certify them. All the swing states have either at minimum one Democratic Secretary of State or a Democratic Governor, except Florida which has a both a Republican Governor and Secretary of State. So except for Florida he can’t really do anything regarding how the elections are run in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arizona. Biden only needs to hold onto the states Hillary won and win 3 of the 5 states above and it’s over. We’ll definitely know the results of some states by election night, especially if the early votes and in person votes are overwhelmingly Biden.

So Trump loses and on January 20th if he doesn’t vacate the whitehouse he’ll get thrown out by the Secret Service because even if Biden isn’t sworn in by then Nancy Pelosi becomes President. So yes a lot of his talk is throwing **** around and seeing what sticks. He’s trying to depress turnout because he knows he can’t win if everyone is allowed to vote. You see the pathetic attempt to drive a wedge between Biden and the Progressives last night? He’s scared and he knows he’s running out of options.

[Clyde_Style]

of course not, come on, you should know from my posting I don’t believe that. Look if Biden wins that’s it, it’s over nothing Trump can do. What better way to perfectly show the end of his Presidency than election result footage of empty streets with just the Proud Boys and cops circle jerking each other The perfect pathetic representation of Trump’s America.

There's nothing Trump can do... Other than what he's saying he'll do? Who's going to stop him is what I want to know. Has he been stopped yet? Has he not clearly committed actions that in a functioning democracy would've got him removed from office?

I don’t have time to get into details but you can search my posts a few pages back. Trump’s whole plan to throw the election to the Supreme Court depends on a close election in almost all the battle ground states.

The Secretaries of State run the elections and the Governors certify them. All the swing states have either at minimum one Democratic Secretary of State or a Democratic Governor, except Florida which has a both a Republican Governor and Secretary of State. So except for Florida he can’t really do anything regarding how the elections are run in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arizona. Biden only needs to hold onto the states Hillary won and win 3 of the 5 states above and it’s over. We’ll definitely know the results of some states by election night, especially if the early votes and in person votes are overwhelmingly Biden.

So Trump loses and on January 20th if he doesn’t vacate the whitehouse he’ll get thrown out by the Secret Service because even if Biden isn’t sworn in by then Nancy Pelosi becomes President. So yes a lot of his talk is throwing **** around and seeing what sticks. He’s trying to depress turnout because he knows he can’t win if everyone is allowed to vote. You see the pathetic attempt to drive a wedge between Biden and the Progressives last night? He’s scared and he knows he’s running out of options.

Yeah, Trump is not stealing the election. It's just BS fear mongering and nobody should iterate it. 24 hours later Trump's performance feels even more outlandish and stupid than it felt upon first viewing it. All of that malarkey about the radical left, it was just dumb as hell and I can't see anyone who is somehow undecided looking at Biden and going yeah! that's a radical leftist. It was pathetic. I've never seen a more desperate loser than this guy

[HarthorneWingo]

Just vote early and in person so we overwhelm them by Election Night.

[Knick4Real]

There's nothing Trump can do... Other than what he's saying he'll do? Who's going to stop him is what I want to know. Has he been stopped yet? Has he not clearly committed actions that in a functioning democracy would've got him removed from office?

I don’t have time to get into details but you can search my posts a few pages back. Trump’s whole plan to throw the election to the Supreme Court depends on a close election in almost all the battle ground states.

The Secretaries of State run the elections and the Governors certify them. All the swing states have either at minimum one Democratic Secretary of State or a Democratic Governor, except Florida which has a both a Republican Governor and Secretary of State. So except for Florida he can’t really do anything regarding how the elections are run in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arizona. Biden only needs to hold onto the states Hillary won and win 3 of the 5 states above and it’s over. We’ll definitely know the results of some states by election night, especially if the early votes and in person votes are overwhelmingly Biden.

So Trump loses and on January 20th if he doesn’t vacate the whitehouse he’ll get thrown out by the Secret Service because even if Biden isn’t sworn in by then Nancy Pelosi becomes President. So yes a lot of his talk is throwing **** around and seeing what sticks. He’s trying to depress turnout because he knows he can’t win if everyone is allowed to vote. You see the pathetic attempt to drive a wedge between Biden and the Progressives last night? He’s scared and he knows he’s running out of options.

Yeah, Trump is not stealing the election. It's just BS fear mongering and nobody should iterate it. 24 hours later Trump's performance feels even more outlandish and stupid than it felt upon first viewing it. All of that malarkey about the radical left, it was just dumb as hell and I can't see anyone who is somehow undecided looking at Biden and going yeah! that's a radical leftist. It was pathetic. I've never seen a more desperate loser than this guy

If Trump loses the election and all his court battles, I don't think for one second he'll stick around to allow himself to be seen on national television being dragged out of The White House in handcuffs.

The more likely scenario is that Trump will resign the presidency on January 18th or 19th, Mike Pence will become president for a day or 2 and pardon Trump of all past, present, and future federal charges (even though this will have ZERO effect on any pending state charges), then he'll flee the country to hide out from the New York Attorney General (who's waiting to arrest him) as well as all the Russian oligarchs and others he owes MILLIONS but can't pay.

[Zeitgeister]

Antifa is the canary in the coal mine just as they were in Italy, just as they were in Germany. Now does this mean that I think Trump is going to commit another Holocaust? I don't believe so, but you don't need to commit a Holocaust to be a fascist, you don't even need to be in power to be a fascist because fascism is an idealogy. Further, I understand that Trump is a pathological liar but you can't continue to suggest that you won't peacefully re-sign from office if you lose the election and not face consequences. Antifa is clearly the group Trump hates more than any other, and while I don't think they've operated without any faults, they have by and large been on the right side of history and correctly saw Trump for the threat he was years ago.

Trump's administration also posted this on an official Trump facebook page:



That symbol was used for political dissidents or antifa, in Nazi Concentration Camps, someone in his administration knew exactly what they were doing, I'm sure Stephen Miller was involved.

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

I don’t have time to get into details but you can search my posts a few pages back. Trump’s whole plan to throw the election to the Supreme Court depends on a close election in almost all the battle ground states.

The Secretaries of State run the elections and the Governors certify them. All the swing states have either at minimum one Democratic Secretary of State or a Democratic Governor, except Florida which has a both a Republican Governor and Secretary of State. So except for Florida he can’t really do anything regarding how the elections are run in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arizona. Biden only needs to hold onto the states Hillary won and win 3 of the 5 states above and it’s over. We’ll definitely know the results of some states by election night, especially if the early votes and in person votes are overwhelmingly Biden.

So Trump loses and on January 20th if he doesn’t vacate the whitehouse he’ll get thrown out by the Secret Service because even if Biden isn’t sworn in by then Nancy Pelosi becomes President. So yes a lot of his talk is throwing **** around and seeing what sticks. He’s trying to depress turnout because he knows he can’t win if everyone is allowed to vote. You see the pathetic attempt to drive a wedge between Biden and the Progressives last night? He’s scared and he knows he’s running out of options.

Yeah, Trump is not stealing the election. It's just BS fear mongering and nobody should iterate it. 24 hours later Trump's performance feels even more outlandish and stupid than it felt upon first viewing it. All of that malarkey about the radical left, it was just dumb as hell and I can't see anyone who is somehow undecided looking at Biden and going yeah! that's a radical leftist. It was pathetic. I've never seen a more desperate loser than this guy

If Trump loses the election and all his court battles, I don't think for one second he'll stick around to allow himself to be seen on national television being dragged out of The White House in handcuffs.

The more likely scenario is that Trump will resign the presidency on January 18th or 19th, Mike Pence will become president for a day or 2 and pardon Trump of all past, present, and future federal charges (even though this will have ZERO effect on any pending state charges), then he'll flee the country to hide out from the New York Attorney General (who's waiting to arrest him) as well as all the Russian oligarchs and others he owes MILLIONS but can't pay.

Pence is a co-conspirator. He is smarter than Trump, but otherwise he's sort of dumb himself. However, he's smart enough to know pardoning a co-conspirator will blow up in his face and I don't see why Pence would sacrifice himself for Trump when he has a small chance of slithering away into the darkness and escaping prosecution.

What is forgotten at the moment, but will be remembered fully soon enough, is that Pence was installed by the Russians via Manafort who is a confirmed Russian agent. All four of Trump's campaign managers have been arrested at various points since 2016 and three of them, Manafort, Bannon, Parscale are presently sitting in jail cells. So Pence has seen from the inside what happens to people who stick with Trump.

Further, Pence was the manager of the transition team and he was fully aware of Flynn's transgressions and chose to gloss them over and he has already been nailed for lying about direct congressional committee communications that Flynn was compromised.

And now that Barr's failed attempt to get Flynn's conviction annulled is blowing up in their faces and Flynn is looking at facing serious jail time for messing with the justice system and Judge Sullivan, Pence is going to be on eggshells about adding any culpability to his resume. Pardoning Trump right before Biden's inauguration would be like putting a giant "INVESTIGATE ME" sign on his chest as he walks out the door.

Pence probably hates Trump's guts and will do whatever he can to walk out of the WH with as little collateral damage as possible so I find the scenario you concocted implausible. The only way Pence does anything is under pressure of extreme komprommat, but after the election Trump's leverage on Pence will be weak and getting weaker.

[Clyde_Style]

And as far as Trump fleeing the country, I've seen this kind of speculation, but I see no reason for Putin to take him and China sure AF won't. NK will laugh at him. The Saudis, the UAE, Israel? Seems looney to touch Trump with a ten foot pole. So where exactly could the orange blob and his crime family bounce to realistically?

[HarthorneWingo]

And as far as Trump fleeing the country, I've seen this kind of speculation, but I see no reason for Putin to take him and China sure AF won't. NK will laugh at him. The Saudis, the UAE, Israel? Seems looney to touch Trump with a ten foot pole. So where exactly could the orange blob and his crime family bounce to realistically?

Putin will poison Trump once he's done with him.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yeah, Trump is not stealing the election. It's just BS fear mongering and nobody should iterate it. 24 hours later Trump's performance feels even more outlandish and stupid than it felt upon first viewing it. All of that malarkey about the radical left, it was just dumb as hell and I can't see anyone who is somehow undecided looking at Biden and going yeah! that's a radical leftist. It was pathetic. I've never seen a more desperate loser than this guy

If Trump loses the election and all his court battles, I don't think for one second he'll stick around to allow himself to be seen on national television being dragged out of The White House in handcuffs.

The more likely scenario is that Trump will resign the presidency on January 18th or 19th, Mike Pence will become president for a day or 2 and pardon Trump of all past, present, and future federal charges (even though this will have ZERO effect on any pending state charges), then he'll flee the country to hide out from the New York Attorney General (who's waiting to arrest him) as well as all the Russian oligarchs and others he owes MILLIONS but can't pay.

Pence is a co-conspirator. He is smarter than Trump, but otherwise he's sort of dumb himself. However, he's smart enough to know pardoning a co-conspirator will blow up in his face and I don't see why Pence would sacrifice himself for Trump when he has a small chance of slithering away into the darkness and escaping prosecution.

What is forgotten at the moment, but will be remembered fully soon enough, is that Pence was installed by the Russians via Manafort who is a confirmed Russian agent. All four of Trump's campaign managers have been arrested at various points since 2016 and three of them, Manafort, Bannon, Parscale are presently sitting in jail cells. So Pence has seen from the inside what happens to people who stick with Trump.

Further, Pence was the manager of the transition team and he was fully aware of Flynn's transgressions and chose to gloss them over and he has already been nailed for lying about direct congressional committee communications that Flynn was compromised.

And now that Barr's failed attempt to get Flynn's conviction annulled is blowing up in their faces and Flynn is looking at facing serious jail time for messing with the justice system and Judge Sullivan, Pence is going to be on eggshells about adding any culpability to his resume. Pardoning Trump right before Biden's inauguration would be like putting a giant "INVESTIGATE ME" sign on his chest as he walks out the door.

Pence probably hates Trump's guts and will do whatever he can to walk out of the WH with as little collateral damage as possible so I find the scenario you concocted implausible. The only way Pence does anything is under pressure of extreme komprommat, but after the election Trump's leverage on Pence will be weak and getting weaker.

Pence is SMARTER than Trump