Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread

[ParticleMan]

If I am Ainge the first thing I would do is try to put together a package for the following (given Gordon Hayward opts in).

1. Oladipo and Turner
2. Vucevic and Ross

my thoughts exactly (except didn't think about ross -- good idea).

I'm willing to go smart+hayward for dipo+turner. yes, trading smart. no way they give us dipo+myles for just hayward. i'm not even a huge turner fan but he would be a big lineup upgrade. and i'd much prefer dipo taking 22 shots in an elimination game than smart. he's a good defender too, not in smart's class but above average.

vuc would be a good get as well. brad would have to change his D scheme a bit but this gives more flexibility to play vuc together with Rwill, since vuc is a legit 20ppg scorer. i think it's less likely tho, not sure why ORL would trade vuc, so we'd have to add quite a lot.

[ConstableGeneva]

Something I left out from my post on the first page that's related to experience having more value in the playoffs...

It's not just about adding talent on the roster. The playoffs are a thinker's game. At that point, the other team knows every one of your plays and will act accordingly. Coaches BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY the players on the court have to know how to adjust on the fly. This is the value of having a Lebron, a Rondo, a Draymond Green, a Tim Duncan, a KG on the floor. Jokic and Luka are the next gen thinkers imo. Players who can read what the other team is doing even before they transpire then bark out instructions. I hate to say that Kyrie was kinda right, but he was kinda right. You need guys who's been there and done that. The closest we have to these type of guys is Marcus Smart but you can rely on him to be that just on the defensive end. Hayward doesn't have enough of a voice and isn't assertive enough to be that on the offensive end even if he's our smartest guy on the team. Tatum might get there one day but is still young.

[Parliament10]

Watching Miami and LAL, if Theis was our second big, we'd be in the Finals, with a decent chance to win a title. Danny needs to wake up. Vuc in the middle of that zone, would be destroying. I dunno about Turner, he's definitely not a better player than Vuc, but much younger with good potential. Oladipo is good, too, when healthy, I dunno if he's healthy or if he has IT anymore.

I'd take Vuc and Ross over Turner and Oladipo. Vuc and Ross are lower risk, higher reward type situation for us. Vuc just had a 36 point game against the Bucks on a sorry ass, injured Orlando team.

IDK about that. Vučević is a bit of a better player, but he's 5.5 years older than Turner.
Turner can play both PF/C positions, too.

I lean more toward Oladipo & Turner. Thinking that they are the higher reward duo.
Vučević and Ross don't have as much upside.

[Parliament10]

If I am Ainge the first thing I would do is try to put together a package for the following (given Gordon Hayward opts in).

1. Oladipo and Turner
2. Vucevic and Ross

my thoughts exactly (except didn't think about ross -- good idea).

I'm willing to go smart+hayward for dipo+turner. yes, trading smart. no way they give us dipo+myles for just hayward. i'm not even a huge turner fan but he would be a big lineup upgrade. and i'd much prefer dipo taking 22 shots in an elimination game than smart. he's a good defender too, not in smart's class but above average.

vuc would be a good get as well. brad would have to change his D scheme a bit but this gives more flexibility to play vuc together with Rwill, since vuc is a legit 20ppg scorer. i think it's less likely tho, not sure why ORL would trade vuc, so we'd have to add quite a lot.

Oh ixnay on trading Smart. Not for this duo. Plus the Pacers only have #54 in the Draft.
Give them most of what we got (try to keep #14 out of it). And add any non-essentials, if they want it.

[Parliament10]

If I am Ainge the first thing I would do is try to put together a package for the following (given Gordon Hayward opts in).

1. Oladipo and Turner
2. Vucevic and Ross

I'm all for #1, Turner and then Oladipo (or others).
That would/could/should answer some of our needs.

I would try and keep Wanamaker if the money was right and move up Waters from his 2 way. Green might stick around because he is besties with Tatum and that has its benefits but everyone else from the Probably out list can kick rocks! We need to get Brads binky off this team. The guy seems really nice but I'm done with the Semi experience.

I gotta agree that Kanter is Probably Out. Though, he really is a good person, for the locker room and off-court.
Wanamaker gets my vote to stick, if the money is right.

I'd like to move up both Waters & Fall to an NBA contract.
Tacko will get onto a roster somewhere; I'd like it to be here. Especially since we invested our time in him.

Love the kids but if we are making room for guys, I don't want more youth on our bench. I will get behind it but I don't want that to happen. I want us to add a few rugged vets. I'm not sure who atm but I want us to have the room when they become available.

Not me; I'd love to stay young. Granted we'll go through growing pains. But none of these players are going to stay young.
The 30-somethings have a limited time. Our young Core has much more time to figure it out, while gaining experience.

[FlatearthZorro]

Watching Miami and LAL, if Theis was our second big, we'd be in the Finals, with a decent chance to win a title. Danny needs to wake up. Vuc in the middle of that zone, would be destroying. I dunno about Turner, he's definitely not a better player than Vuc, but much younger with good potential. Oladipo is good, too, when healthy, I dunno if he's healthy or if he has IT anymore.

I'd take Vuc and Ross over Turner and Oladipo. Vuc and Ross are lower risk, higher reward type situation for us. Vuc just had a 36 point game against the Bucks on a sorry ass, injured Orlando team.

IDK about that. Vučević is a bit of a better player, but he's 5.5 years older than Turner.
Turner can play both PF/C positions, too.

I lean more toward Oladipo & Turner. Thinking that they are the higher reward duo.
Vučević and Ross don't have as much upside.

Ross would be our 6th man off the bench, can shoot, doesn't need the ball. Even without Hayward, we'd have 2-3 ball handlers. Oladipo kinda needs the ball.

Oh, and what I meant about the lower risk is, that even if we get Oladipo and he plays well, we wont be able to resign him. On the other hand, Vuc to me has been an all-star the past 2 years. His deal is very team friendly and he brings a lot to the table. He's older than Turner, but he's still just 30, which is his prime and big men are known to be good or close to their primes by 34-35 depending on injuries.

[Parliament10]

Watching Miami and LAL, if Theis was our second big, we'd be in the Finals, with a decent chance to win a title. Danny needs to wake up. Vuc in the middle of that zone, would be destroying. I dunno about Turner, he's definitely not a better player than Vuc, but much younger with good potential. Oladipo is good, too, when healthy, I dunno if he's healthy or if he has IT anymore.

I'd take Vuc and Ross over Turner and Oladipo. Vuc and Ross are lower risk, higher reward type situation for us. Vuc just had a 36 point game against the Bucks on a sorry ass, injured Orlando team.

IDK about that. Vučević is a bit of a better player, but he's 5.5 years older than Turner.
Turner can play both PF/C positions, too.

I lean more toward Oladipo & Turner. Thinking that they are the higher reward duo.
Vučević and Ross don't have as much upside.

Ross would be our 6th man off the bench, can shoot, doesn't need the ball. Even without Hayward, we'd have 2-3 ball handlers. Oladipo kinda needs the ball.

Good point on Ross.
I think that Oladipo would have to come off the Bench, as well. He can play as a combo guard (PG/SG).

I like the idea of including Oladipo in the Trade, but I do not see him as sticking with this team.
I'd like to trade him again, ASAP. It all is just to find the best use of Hayward's contract.

[FlatearthZorro]

IDK about that. Vučević is a bit of a better player, but he's 5.5 years older than Turner.
Turner can play both PF/C positions, too.

I lean more toward Oladipo & Turner. Thinking that they are the higher reward duo.
Vučević and Ross don't have as much upside.

Ross would be our 6th man off the bench, can shoot, doesn't need the ball. Even without Hayward, we'd have 2-3 ball handlers. Oladipo kinda needs the ball.

Good point on Ross.
I think that Oladipo would have to come off the Bench, as well. He can play as a combo guard (PG/SG).

I like the idea of including Oladipo in the Trade, but I do not see him as sticking with this team.
I'd like to trade him again, ASAP. It all is just to find the best use of Hayward's contract.

Trading him would be a good idea. I mean, he was an all-star, doubt he'd be too happy coming off the bench. He's probably looking for a new contract, too.

[FlatearthZorro]

If I am Ainge the first thing I would do is try to put together a package for the following (given Gordon Hayward opts in).

1. Oladipo and Turner
2. Vucevic and Ross

my thoughts exactly (except didn't think about ross -- good idea).

I'm willing to go smart+hayward for dipo+turner. yes, trading smart. no way they give us dipo+myles for just hayward. i'm not even a huge turner fan but he would be a big lineup upgrade. and i'd much prefer dipo taking 22 shots in an elimination game than smart. he's a good defender too, not in smart's class but above average.

vuc would be a good get as well. brad would have to change his D scheme a bit but this gives more flexibility to play vuc together with Rwill, since vuc is a legit 20ppg scorer. i think it's less likely tho, not sure why ORL would trade vuc, so we'd have to add quite a lot.

I think ORL hasn't had a decent SF in ages, I mean a real SF which Hayward is to me. Also, ORL should've long gone the lotto rout, they are a consistent 7th-8th seed with no chacne of advancing to the 2nd round. For me Vuc and Ross are my guys.

As for Smart, I think he's improved a lot, but the way Brad coaches in order for Smart to reach his full potential somebody needs to step in and tell him that he can't shoot over 20 shots in the playoffs, when they aren't going in and Tatum, Brown, Kemba and even Hayward are on the court with him.To me, that's always been Smart's biggest problem is that he seems to lack any self-awareness when it comes to offense. I would trade Smart, too, but wouldn't this trade get the Pacers into luxury? I mean SMart and Hayward is what 46 mils or something? Smart at over 12, Hayward at 34?

[ConstableGeneva]

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Ironically, the maligned Theis and Kemba were our most efficient players in the clutch during the playoffs (mainly in the Raps series I presume).

Our "most clutch" seasons were the first two years of Horford with the Cs. His first year coincided with IT's King of the 4th season. But I think it helped that we had a player to settle things down in crunch time. Someone you can throw the ball to in the post, not necessarily to score but to playmake for others as well. Tatum wants to be the man and has improved as a playmaker, but is still flawed to rely on consistently. Too bad we got a Gimpy Gordo when it mattered this season. But I thought it was more mindset/composure than anything else which failed us late in games.

[ConstableGeneva]

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Can't bank on health. Need contingencies. If it won't cost us an arm and a leg, add a bench scorer. A vet or two. Roster's too young and have no guys to look up to and take them under their wing. We also don't know who's gonna get injured next when it matters the most. *knocks on wood*

[ConstableGeneva]

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[MagicBagley18]

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Can't bank on health. Need contingencies. If it won't cost us an arm and a leg, add a bench scorer. A vet or two. Roster's too young and have no guys to look up to and take them under their wing. We also don't know who's gonna get injured next when it matters the most. *knocks on wood*

Can’t hope young guys mature enough during a season to propel us to a ring....it’s one thing to develop but have to be realistic. He also said they are willing to be a luxury tax team- and they have work to do this offseason.

Let’s see what happens

[100proof]

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Can't bank on health. Need contingencies. If it won't cost us an arm and a leg, add a bench scorer. A vet or two. Roster's too young and have no guys to look up to and take them under their wing. We also don't know who's gonna get injured next when it matters the most. *knocks on wood*

Romeo langford?

Try playing Timelord, he was effective.

[MagicBagley18]

Prepared to be a luxury tax team and will be are 2 different things....let’s see what pans out. saying Romeo would be effective in the post season when he hasn’t played a role all year is a bit of pipe dream to me.

[Bleeding Green]

Am I the only one who would love to replace Theis with Ibaka?

Sure, you gonna pay Ibaka 20+ million a year, though? I'd love to replace Wanamaker with Fred Van Vleet while we're at it.

MLE-and-under guys I like are PJ Dozier (BRING HIM HOME), Nerlens Noel (BRING HIM HOME-ish), Justin Holiday. I wonder what Moe Harkless will get in FA. Get him to take all the Semi minutes and I would be a happy man. Gonna be a busy offseason, love this god damn sport and how much turnover there is. Imagine if the league didn't turn over like half the players ever year, I'd be going insane still watching Marcus Morris every day. Year-over-year Celtics had nine new players this year. Last year they had five, the year before they had 16 new players (granted 6 of them played under 200 minutes). Don't stagnate, constantly churn the mid- and back-end, please.

Harkless is nice, but kinda useless with the amount of wings we have.
I wrote that before, but Ibaka has a really good agent and has always been getting more money than he's worth.
Baynes is about to cash in, too. He turned into Ray Allen this year.
Hmm, the only way I see us upgrading significantly is via trade or via drafting.

Celtics don't have enough wings if they are playing Semi Ojeleye 1000 minutes a season. I think they should have 15 wings, but I'm probably an outlier.

[Triple7]

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Can't bank on health. Need contingencies. If it won't cost us an arm and a leg, add a bench scorer. A vet or two. Roster's too young and have no guys to look up to and take them under their wing. We also don't know who's gonna get injured next when it matters the most. *knocks on wood*

**** Ainge! Banking on a rookie to produce in the playoffs lol! I know herro and robinson are rookies, but the heat were just lucky. Still justifying his lack of moves. Typical Danny

[Triple7]

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Also stop getting diminutive guards Danny! Go big this off season including a legit 5.

[Shak_Celts]

I'm all for #1, Turner and then Oladipo (or others).
That would/could/should answer some of our needs.


I gotta agree that Kanter is Probably Out. Though, he really is a good person, for the locker room and off-court.
Wanamaker gets my vote to stick, if the money is right.

I'd like to move up both Waters & Fall to an NBA contract.
Tacko will get onto a roster somewhere; I'd like it to be here. Especially since we invested our time in him.

Love the kids but if we are making room for guys, I don't want more youth on our bench. I will get behind it but I don't want that to happen. I want us to add a few rugged vets. I'm not sure who atm but I want us to have the room when they become available.

Not me; I'd love to stay young. Granted we'll go through growing pains. But none of these players are going to stay young.
The 30-somethings have a limited time. Our young Core has much more time to figure it out, while gaining experience.

I get that our guys are young but they are ready to win now, going younger is the wrong way to help them get over the hump IMO. I don't want to punt seasons just because we are young and we think we have a large window with youth.

[Triple7]

Love the kids but if we are making room for guys, I don't want more youth on our bench. I will get behind it but I don't want that to happen. I want us to add a few rugged vets. I'm not sure who atm but I want us to have the room when they become available.

Not me; I'd love to stay young. Granted we'll go through growing pains. But none of these players are going to stay young.
The 30-somethings have a limited time. Our young Core has much more time to figure it out, while gaining experience.

I get that our guys are young but they are ready to win now, going younger is the wrong way to help them get over the hump IMO. I don't want to punt seasons just because we are young and we think we have a large window with youth.

I agree. We need to do better next season. Championship or bust mentality. We need some vets with tons of playoff experience. If we conitnue to gather youth, and wait for them to gain experience, then that will push us back several years, which ain’t good for our fan base. We need to compete every year. starting next season.