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Post#361 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Aug 8, 2020 10:09 pm

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This is grim. And in line with what I expected.

The Trumper who was bragging about herd immunity because of NY's decline didn't understand that a short-term decline in one region has been offset by other regions raging out of control. So, in effect, the South will now re-infect the North.

Compound that with flu season and it will become a forest fire.

Note how the doctor confirms Russian agit prop is pushing the no mask meme.

One prediction he makes is many of this anti-science faction of the American population will refuse to take covid vaccines. Think about that for a second. It could literally mean the vaccinated population will protect itself while the anti-science part of society will continue to get infected for years to come. Talk about thinning the herd. Fine, cull yourselves.

I will concede though that I will have great skepticism about any vaccine anouncements until Biden is in charge. Since everything Trump does is out of political self-interest, anything they try to promote this Fall to boost their vote count will be compromised decision making.

Plus, Giliead is getting sweetheart deal's from Trump to sell $1 doses for several thousand dollars each. Talk about wasting tax payer money and corruption.

Meanwhile, Oxford says they will give their vaccines away.

So, considering there are multiple possible cures that may have a different scientific basis for treating covid, I think we may have to hang back until 2021 before things settle and we can know what the right vaccine options are. Until then, Trump will fck everything up like he always does.


I probably should go back and double check this but, I as recall, the expert in the article said that the vaccine will (1) only control symptoms, and (2) may not prevent you from getting it again.

So the vaccine, at least at this early stage, is no panacea.

I have a friend in the neighborhood - we get our dogs together a lot and commiserate over the Orange Douche - and she’s NYC school teacher in Queens serving a special needs high school student population in a dilapidated building. Many to most of the children live in homes with grandparents. I have a feeling that sending kids back to school even here in NYC where the numbers are low.


OK, I guess there is going to be a lot to wait on re: Vaccine vs. Treatments.

There is still uncertainty over how anti-bodies behave, thus complicating testing and possibly formulating effective vaccination.

If there should be a scenario where there is never a true vaccine, but only improved treatments, that'd certainly suck. Then you're still dealing with whether or not you want to gamble with your health.

For the way this pandemic was handled I really regret Clinton was not in charge instead of Trump. We'd have something resembling a national plan and most likely a heavily flattened curve heading into flu season and the ability to contain it while working on a cure. And the economic fall-out would have been mitigated significantly without the massive job losses. So much about this is a tragic showcase for incompetent governance. No matter what, Clinton would have been massively better.


Agreed. I’ll never forget that election night as long as I live.
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Post#362 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Aug 9, 2020 4:19 am

Why the Coronavirus Is More Likely to ‘Superspread’ Than the Flu

Most people won’t spread the virus widely. The few who do are probably in the wrong place at the wrong time in their infection, new models suggests.
By Katherine J. Wu
Aug. 7, 2020

For a spiky sphere just 120 nanometers wide, the coronavirus can be a remarkably cosmopolitan traveler.

Spewed from the nose or mouth, it can rocket across a room and splatter onto surfaces; it can waft into poorly ventilated spaces and linger in the air for hours. At its most intrepid, the virus can spread from a single individual to dozens of others, perhaps even a hundred or more at once, proliferating through packed crowds in what is called a superspreading event.

Such scenarios, which have been traced to call centers, meat processing facilities, weddings and more, have helped propel a pandemic that, in the span of eight months, has reached nearly every corner of the globe. And yet, while some people seem particularly apt to spread the coronavirus, others barely pass it on.

“There’s this small percentage of people who appear to infect a lot of people,” said Dr. Joshua Schiffer, a physician and mathematical modeling expert who studies infectious diseases at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. Estimates vary from population to population, but they consistently show a striking skew: Between 10 and 20 percent of coronavirus cases may seed 80 percent of new infections. Other respiratory diseases, like the flu, are far more egalitarian in their spread.

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Post#364 » by aq_ua » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:49 am

In case folk haven't seen this and need something to give us hope.

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Post#365 » by GONYK » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:04 am

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Post#366 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:46 am

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Post#367 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:52 am

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Once your faith in humanity is restored, then watch this

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Post#368 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:18 am

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Post#369 » by Blockwatcher » Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:15 pm

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Post#370 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:13 am

This is what Manhattan looks like now? :o

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Post#371 » by Dantares » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:52 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/health/regeneron-covid-19-early-antibody-treatment-results/index.html

Encouraging news. Data for this drugs effect on hospitalized patients is pending, strong effectiveness in those patients would be huge.
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Post#372 » by j4remi » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:21 pm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/28/operation-warp-speed-vast-military-involvement/

I get the distribution value of military involvement but this seems like a bit much...
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Post#374 » by omerome » Fri Oct 2, 2020 3:38 am

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519281-trump-first-lady-to-quarantine-after-top-aide-tests-positive-for

Well, the resident and his wife are under quarantine because of how close they are with Hope Hicks who tested positive.
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Post#375 » by prolific96 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 11:35 am

It's sad, that I cant even trust Donnie when he says he and his wife have contracted COVID.
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Post#376 » by omerome » Fri Oct 2, 2020 12:07 pm

I will say this:

I am not going to cheer for him having COVID and no, I don't want the conditions to get worse for him. I just want him to recover. I want him to watch the country vote his behind out of office come November. I want him to see how his life will change when he's no longer in power. I want him to spend the rest of his days finally being held responsible for everything he's accused of.

What I just can't do is say though, "I wish him the best", because I don't. I just want him to recover. Over 208k lives were lost because of his incompetence. I wish those families that have dealt with their losses my sincere well wishes because they should not have had to deal with this if we had better leadership.
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Post#377 » by tjumper78 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 1:13 pm

omerome wrote:I will say this:

I am not going to cheer for him having COVID and no, I don't want the conditions to get worse for him. I just want him to recover. I want him to watch the country vote his behind out of office come November. I want him to see how his life will change when he's no longer in power. I want him to spend the rest of his days in court finally being held responsible for everything he's accused of.

What I just can't do is say though, "I wish him the best", because I don't. I just want him to recover. Over 208k lives were lost because of his incompetence. I wish those families that have dealt with their losses my sincere well wishes because they should not have had to deal with this if we had better leadership.


this morning, out of all people ive spoken with (10-12 people, 10 or so phone calls, a couple of group chats), not a single person said "oh, no!".
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Post#378 » by omerome » Fri Oct 2, 2020 1:25 pm

tjumper78 wrote:
omerome wrote:I will say this:

I am not going to cheer for him having COVID and no, I don't want the conditions to get worse for him. I just want him to recover. I want him to watch the country vote his behind out of office come November. I want him to see how his life will change when he's no longer in power. I want him to spend the rest of his days in court finally being held responsible for everything he's accused of.

What I just can't do is say though, "I wish him the best", because I don't. I just want him to recover. Over 208k lives were lost because of his incompetence. I wish those families that have dealt with their losses my sincere well wishes because they should not have had to deal with this if we had better leadership.


this morning, out of all people ive spoken with (10-12 people, 10 or so phone calls, a couple of group chats), not a single person said "oh, no!".

Let's face it, this is the same person who knew just how bad this virus was at the beginning of the year and downplayed it. He mocked people for following guidelines and when faced with the number of people who died said, "It is what it is". How can many people feel sorry for him? I'm sure many of those are sitting at home with one less person in their family because of his actions...or should I say, lack thereof.

This guy will get the best treatment in the world because of who he is. But this is also the same guy, along with his party, wants to remove the mandate for pre-existing conditions next month via the ACA in court AND even nominated a judge to fulfill it. And by the way, COVID will be a pre-existing condition to millions of people now. What about them? I wish those people the best.

People are dying every day and he has continued to host rallies like this isn't a big deal and now after everything people have said for months, he finally gets the thing he has tried his best to dismiss. So with that said, I just want him to recover so he can be well enough to see the aftermath.
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Post#379 » by Nazrmohamed » Fri Oct 2, 2020 2:56 pm

j4remi wrote:https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/28/operation-warp-speed-vast-military-involvement/

I get the distribution value of military involvement but this seems like a bit much...


I feel you but as you eluded to theres a huge distribution value to it. No unions, no 8hr shift with care for feelings, less media intervention. Just get the job done.
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Post#380 » by j4remi » Fri Oct 2, 2020 3:11 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
j4remi wrote:https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/28/operation-warp-speed-vast-military-involvement/

I get the distribution value of military involvement but this seems like a bit much...


I feel you but as you eluded to theres a huge distribution value to it. No unions, no 8hr shift with care for feelings, less media intervention. Just get the job done.


My only concern would be if the distribution voices overtake the actual science based voices in the room. Distribution is only half the battle; actually having a reliable vaccine with good supporting evidence that is shared transparently is the other half. When we hear Operation Warp Speed has military involvement, that makes a ton of sense. But I just want to make sure the science part gets done right before the distribution concerns are the focal point.
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