OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[BigBoss23]

Too bad we'll be waiting forever before we see you come out of hiding from the big bad virus

I'm in hiding? None of the guidelines in the area I reside currently have a stay-in-shelter order. I'm free to speak and meet up with whomever I want as long as I follow the necessary guidelines.

When its obvious the deterring of "parties" will impact more than just the target audience.

pssst - go do some reading on current Canadian traceability cases, you'd be surprised.

Of course you are free to speak up, and I'll do the same on a forum where free speech (within the guidelines) is allowed.

And if sheep want to continue being sheep while never questioning political decisions that imo don't make much sense, I'll speak my mind on it as well.

[Fairview4Life]

Ah yes, everyone except the people who agree with me, objective man who has done his research, are sheep.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

You were talking about discrimination? How is limiting it to "people of an address for single individuals' not taking rights away from some and not others based on some factors like their socioeconomic status - i.e. people who live in shared housing because they can't afford to live by themselves, or relationship status (which is a part of freedom of association) or because they have children? And so on....

For someone who claims he cares about human rights, the concept of logic and humanitarianism escapes you.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Of course you are free to speak up, and I'll do the same on a forum where free speech (within the guidelines) is allowed.

And if sheep want to continue being sheep while never questioning political decisions that imo don't make much sense, I'll speak my mind on it as well.

The possibility exists that individuals don't question government and just follow along, just as much as it's possible that individuals question government decisions because they are ignorant to the facts.

[Metallikid]

You were talking about discrimination? How is limiting it to "people of an address for single individuals' not taking rights away from some and not others based on some factors like their socioeconomic status - i.e. people who live in shared housing because they can't afford to live by themselves, or relationship status (which is a part of freedom of association) or because they have children? And so on....

For someone who claims he cares about human rights, the concept of logic and humanitarianism escapes you.

I have a history degree, I am the one being logical in this situation. I know what happens when rights are 'temporarily' taken away. It is far from good, and the basis on which these decisions are being made has serious and consequential flaws. My humanitarianism tells me that everyone and future generations' rights come before individual suffering, even mine or my family's. In the long term maintaining foundational freedoms that cannot be taken away, like the right to assembly, is the bedrock upon which all positive gains in society have been made and which prevent the worst abuses and harmful outcomes that we have not only seen first hand earlier in the 20th century, but that authors and philosophers have expounded upon in the decades since.

[Mikistan]

The government is pushing testing if you wake up with a runny nose, sore throat or cough.

If you need an explanation about how ridiculous that is, it's already too late.

It was better those people go to school or work or a restaurant and infect everyone right

Society always needs a boogeyman and the real enemy here is fear.

You're deeply infected with it.

I'm deeply infected
What is the difference between a regular infection and a deep infection?

Your hyperbole and platitudes don't scare me.

What scares me is you telling people with symptoms to go out and do harm to others.

You're telling me the boogeyman is the big bad government?
Or what... its just fear, we shouldn't fear anything then? Oh case close, I'm now invincible because I don't feel fear, phew.

[M3tro]

It was better those people go to school or work or a restaurant and infect everyone right

Society always needs a boogeyman and the real enemy here is fear.

You're deeply infected with it.

I'm deeply infected
What is the difference between a regular infection and a deep infection?

Your hyperbole and platitudes don't scare me.

What scares me is you telling people with symptoms to go out and do harm to others.

You're telling me the boogeyman is the big bad government?
Or what... its just fear, we shouldn't fear anything then? Oh case close, I'm now invincible because I don't feel fear, phew.

Nah, you still scared brah.

And if anyone is stupid enough to get tested because they wake up with a sore throat, I question what you wouldn't do if ordered by an authority figure.

[Mikistan]

Society always needs a boogeyman and the real enemy here is fear.

You're deeply infected with it.

I'm deeply infected
What is the difference between a regular infection and a deep infection?

Your hyperbole and platitudes don't scare me.

What scares me is you telling people with symptoms to go out and do harm to others.

You're telling me the boogeyman is the big bad government?
Or what... its just fear, we shouldn't fear anything then? Oh case close, I'm now invincible because I don't feel fear, phew.

Nah, you still scared brah.

And if anyone is stupid enough to get tested because they wake up with a sore throat, I question what you wouldn't do if ordered by an authority figure.

I love the language you use - it totally doesn't alienate anyone else you might be trying to "educate"

how smart do you think the average citizen is

[BigBoss23]

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Even though schools are still open...insanity.

[aj174]

So here's the thing. The more important number to look at rather than the raw number of cases is the % of tests that are coming back positive. That tells us more about the population as a whole with regards to how many of them are expected to have covid. Back April/May when we had around 600 cases a day, our percent positivity was around 5 (WHO recommends less than 5 for consecutive weeks before reopening). Right now, it's around 1.4%, even though we have like 600 cases a day. That's because we're testing far more than before. If the % positivity continues to rise, i'll be worried, but as of right now it's factual to say that there were more unknown cases in the first wave than there is now.

[EH15]

So here's the thing. The more important number to look at rather than the raw number of cases is the % of tests that are coming back positive. That tells us more about the population as a whole with regards to how many of them are expected to have covid. Back April/May when we had around 600 cases a day, our percent positivity was around 5 (WHO recommends less than 5 for consecutive weeks before reopening). Right now, it's around 1.4%, even though we have like 600 cases a day. That's because we're testing far more than before. If the % positivity continues to rise, i'll be worried, but as of right now it's factual to say that there were more unknown cases in the first wave than there is now.

Today's 7 day rolling average positivity rate = 1.33%
Last week's = 1.14%
Two weeks ago = 0.83%
3 weeks ago = 0.68%

I think it's generally fine if we can keep it under 3%. NYC has been living with 1% for weeks/months now I believe. All NYC schools will close if it's over 3% for 7 days straight.

We're okay right now, but the trend obviously is not good, especially with Thanksgiving and Halloween quickly approaching. So much of this is simply behavioural. We can stem all this ourselves with minimal government intervention if people cared enough. That's probably too idealistic though.

[Metallikid]

So here's the thing. The more important number to look at rather than the raw number of cases is the % of tests that are coming back positive. That tells us more about the population as a whole with regards to how many of them are expected to have covid. Back April/May when we had around 600 cases a day, our percent positivity was around 5 (WHO recommends less than 5 for consecutive weeks before reopening). Right now, it's around 1.4%, even though we have like 600 cases a day. That's because we're testing far more than before. If the % positivity continues to rise, i'll be worried, but as of right now it's factual to say that there were more unknown cases in the first wave than there is now.

Today's 7 day rolling average positivity rate = 1.33%
Last week's = 1.14%
Two weeks ago = 0.83%
3 weeks ago = 0.68%

I think it's generally fine if we can keep it under 3%. NYC has been living with 1% for weeks/months now I believe. All NYC schools will close if it's over 3% for 7 days straight.

We're okay right now, but the trend obviously is not good, especially with Thanksgiving and Halloween quickly approaching. So much of this is simply behavioural. We can stem all this ourselves with minimal government intervention if people cared enough. That's probably too idealistic though.

It's not about 'if people cared enough' people are simply willing to live their lives and see people they love and care about and take the risk that comes with that, as they should be. If you want to reduce you risk by doing X, Y and Z go ahead, but don't legislate who I can see or not. Not to mention it clearly has nothing to do with masks since the rise is happening despite masks being mandated everywhere and the cases are still coming predominantly from places where people wear masks. (employee to employee transmission being #1) It's more about touching surfaces and washing your hands than it is transmission through droplets in the air.

[EH15]

Italy, Germany, HK, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam disagree

We'll see if NYC can keep it down. Will be interesting keep an eye on.

[YelloC]

These threads always draw the village idiots out of the shadows.

[Westside Gunn]

Donald Trizzy tests positive

[TheAlchemist]

So here's the thing. The more important number to look at rather than the raw number of cases is the % of tests that are coming back positive. That tells us more about the population as a whole with regards to how many of them are expected to have covid. Back April/May when we had around 600 cases a day, our percent positivity was around 5 (WHO recommends less than 5 for consecutive weeks before reopening). Right now, it's around 1.4%, even though we have like 600 cases a day. That's because we're testing far more than before. If the % positivity continues to rise, i'll be worried, but as of right now it's factual to say that there were more unknown cases in the first wave than there is now.

Today's 7 day rolling average positivity rate = 1.33%
Last week's = 1.14%
Two weeks ago = 0.83%
3 weeks ago = 0.68%

I think it's generally fine if we can keep it under 3%. NYC has been living with 1% for weeks/months now I believe. All NYC schools will close if it's over 3% for 7 days straight.

We're okay right now, but the trend obviously is not good, especially with Thanksgiving and Halloween quickly approaching. So much of this is simply behavioural. We can stem all this ourselves with minimal government intervention if people cared enough. That's probably too idealistic though.

You just can't stop an airborne disease.

No matter how much people "care" or not. A disease that is highly contagious is that.

What we can do is just pray for a vaccine. That is all

[GQStylin]

We're okay right now, but the trend obviously is not good, especially with Thanksgiving and Halloween quickly approaching. So much of this is simply behavioural. We can stem all this ourselves with minimal government intervention if people cared enough. That's probably too idealistic though.

Except with a highly infectious virus such as this, you CAN'T get rid of it no matter what you do which is why its pointless to try and we should just live with it rather than continuing to stay in constant fear of a virus that doesn't affect the vast majority of people who get it in any significant way. The answer has always been to protect the most vulnerable and for the general population to get on with life.

We know that the virus hit long term care facilities the hardest and they makeup like 80% of all virus deaths in Canada, so by now we should have a great plan that we can put into action immediately to protect those people if infections start increasing dramatically. Outside of needing to do that, let the rest of the general population get back to a mostly normal life instead of trying to keep people in neverending fear of a mostly non-lethal virus.

We're over 6 months in this pandemic and there's still only 161,000 confirmed cases and 9,300 virus deaths in Canada OUT OF A POPULATION OF 37 MILLION with Ontario and Quebec accounting for 93% of all those deaths and THAT is what we're throwing ourselves into neverending panic over?

[EH15]

Donald Trizzy tests positive

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[Chandan]

hong kong is down to like 5 cases a day. hopefully this thing ends soon. But kids are going to school again I suspect there will be a spike at some point.

Tbh, id say kids going to school has been THE number one reason based on discussions with friends and family as that has been the main difference compared to august vs september.

I know mt can said it was bars/restaurants/clubs etc but if you really think about it, why arent the provincial govts targeting the REAL source and not the convenient ones? Just my opinion.

Because they were planning this 2nd lockdown since the Spring.

The government is either full of incompetence or they intended for this to happen. I know what I have my money on.

It would take serious commitments and foresight on public reactions from few levels of government to map out something like a 2nd lockdown months ahead of time. I am leaning way over on the incompetence side rather the off chance that a few people actually has plans in the first place.

[mtcan]

Donald Trizzy tests positive

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Does he have insiders in the White House too? Damn...he connected.