OT: Dipo wants out of Indiana

[Psubs]

Oladipo is finished... one good season in five; one could comfortably say that season is an outlier.

And now, saddled with a career altering injury that took away all of his speed?

No thanks, says Masai.

Maybe he just needs more time to fully heal. We'll see the next couple of months. Another rental.

Does anyone want to play Powell $20+ million per year? I'd like to see him when he doesn't have to be a #1 or #2 option but can create when needed. He's a poor man's Beal right now, just like Kawhi's stock was lower than usual.

[casual_raps_fan]

It depends on what we are trading.

I'd accept...
Norm, McCaw, Stanley Johnson for Oladipo

I would consider...
Fred (s&t) for Oladipo

Any outgoing 1st round picks would be a deal breaker.

[LoveMyRaps]

[LastNameEver]

I think our team doctor could get him back to the player he was

bring the Black Panther home

[Psubs]

Dallas could send Tim Hardaway Jr, Jalen Brunson and #31 for Oladipo and #54

[h4rrison]

If we S&T FVV for Dipo at around $20M, how does that affect our Giannis chances? Technically, would his cap hold be even more than $20M, which would lower our available salary?

[sidsid]

If Oladipo wants out, they'll have to sell low. I'd do Powell + Davis in a heartbeat.

I'd do that too, you could even throw a second rounder in there to seal the deal.

This just isn't factoring in the contract situations with the Giannis offseason.

We can't have Fred, Oladipo, OG's cap hold and Siakam on the roster and get Giannis. One of them will have to be moved regardless.

Davis has a TINY cap hold in 2021. He's one of our few assets that can actually stay on the team post-Giannis.

You don't throw that away.

Fred for Dipo is the perfect trade if we can convince Fred to go there. We don't lose an asset, potentially up our ceiling in the playoffs if he recovers while swapping out Fred, who's impact takes a downturn vs size in the playoffs. If he doesn't recover, he turns into cap space. Win win.

It's potentially the Gasol for JV trade all over again. And we keep all our picks and prospects while still having the ability to trade Norm for more picks to setup our Giannis future.

[tdotrep2]

If we S&T FVV for Dipo at around $20M, how does that affect our Giannis chances? Technically, would his cap hold be even more than $20M, which would lower our available salary?

hes a 1 year contract so it lines up

[Tor_Raps]

We used to dream of a day where we would get mentioned ONCE in a trade rumour. We seem to be linked quite frequently nowadays. This generation of raptors fans are SPOILED lol.

[h4rrison]

If we S&T FVV for Dipo at around $20M, how does that affect our Giannis chances? Technically, would his cap hold be even more than $20M, which would lower our available salary?

hes a 1 year contract so it lines up

Right, we'll have his bird rights but the cap hold ends up being +20M if I'm not mistaken. We would need to renounce either Oladipo or Lowry to have enough cap space to sign Giannis.

I think Lowry took a handshake deal to sign for MLE in 21.

[casual_raps_fan]

Based on what I'm reading here. It sounds like a Norm + filler for Oladipo trade is not an option since we won't be able to maintain the cap space to sign a max contract.

Which leaves us with a s&t Fred for Oladipo trade as our only option.

Questions
1) Would the Raptors do the trade? What are the risks involved? What are our options?
2) Would the Pacers do it?
3) Would Fred do it?

[RaptorPride]

How about the bucks if they fail at getting anyone else

[God Squad]

Kyrie is a basketcase.
Take a peek at how the Mitchell - Fred matchups ended up this season.
Defense happens to be half of basketball and Fred is the best defensive PG under 30. That alone puts him inside the top 10.
This season, I'd take Fred over Trae in the playoffs. For the future, I made it clear that I wouldn't. Fred is a superior 2-way PG than anything I've seen from Brogdon or Fox. Simmons is a casting error at PG.

The suggestion of Sexton is particularly laughable.

Players are paid according to what they are worth in terms of the franchise's bottom line. It's why Fred will likely never command a salary comparable to DeRozan's even though Fred will most likely accumulate more rings than DeRozan ever will.

Carry on...

Yeah, you're a homer. Fred over Mitchell? Fred over Trae? Heck ill even take Fox over Fred. What I'm not gonna do is rank Bledsoe or Brogdan above Freddy, and definitely want nothing to do with colin sexton lol.

[Psubs]

How about the bucks if they fail at getting anyone else

Indiana Bucks! George Hill's return to Indiana!!!

Milwaukee trades: George Hill, Ersan Ilyasova, #30 and 2021 1st pick

[SurgeIblocka]

Based on what I'm reading here. It sounds like a Norm + filler for Oladipo trade is not an option since we won't be able to maintain the cap space to sign a max contract.

Which leaves us with a s&t Fred for Oladipo trade as our only option.

Questions
1) Would the Raptors do the trade? What are the risks involved? What are our options?
2) Would the Pacers do it?
3) Would Fred do it?

We could do Norm + Mccaw for Oladipo. Then we renounce Lowry. We would have cap space for Giannis. If Oladipo sucks you renounce him sign Giannis and some other player. Victors Cap hold is 31.5 Mil. You basically sign Victor forst if you want to keep him if he is decent but not amazing. If Victor is considered a max player next summer the. Yes you would have to choose between Victor and Giannis. But who knows Victor if he regains his form could lead this team back to finals at which point we may not need Giannis or if Giannis wants to come here we would have to choose between the two.

[casual_raps_fan]

Based on what I'm reading here. It sounds like a Norm + filler for Oladipo trade is not an option since we won't be able to maintain the cap space to sign a max contract.

Which leaves us with a s&t Fred for Oladipo trade as our only option.

Questions
1) Would the Raptors do the trade? What are the risks involved? What are our options?
2) Would the Pacers do it?
3) Would Fred do it?

We could do Norm + Mccaw for Oladipo. Then we renounce Lowry. We would have cap space for Giannis. If Oladipo sucks you renounce him sign Giannis and some other player. Victors Cap hold is 31.5 Mil. You basically sign Victor forst if you want to keep him if he is decent but not amazing. If Victor is considered a max player next summer the. Yes you would have to choose between Victor and Giannis. But who knows Victor if he regains his form could lead this team back to finals at which point we may not need Giannis or if Giannis wants to come here we would have to choose between the two.

Do you think Pacers would be interested in a Norm for Oladipo trade without any picks or prospects involved? I was under the assumption that they would want future assets (picks and/or prospects) OR a serviceable starter on a multi year contract for Oladipo.

Your scenario makes sense though (I think). Even with Fred returning, we just have to renounce both Kyle and Oladipo to create space for a max contract.

edit: I guess technically if Giannis wants to play with Oladipo instead of Fred, we could find a way to unload Fred too.

[SurgeIblocka]

Based on what I'm reading here. It sounds like a Norm + filler for Oladipo trade is not an option since we won't be able to maintain the cap space to sign a max contract.

Which leaves us with a s&t Fred for Oladipo trade as our only option.

Questions
1) Would the Raptors do the trade? What are the risks involved? What are our options?
2) Would the Pacers do it?
3) Would Fred do it?

We could do Norm + Mccaw for Oladipo. Then we renounce Lowry. We would have cap space for Giannis. If Oladipo sucks you renounce him sign Giannis and some other player. Victors Cap hold is 31.5 Mil. You basically sign Victor forst if you want to keep him if he is decent but not amazing. If Victor is considered a max player next summer the. Yes you would have to choose between Victor and Giannis. But who knows Victor if he regains his form could lead this team back to finals at which point we may not need Giannis or if Giannis wants to come here we would have to choose between the two.

Do you think Pacers would be interested in a Norm for Oladipo trade without any picks or prospects involved? I was under the assumption that they would want future assets (picks and/or prospects) OR a serviceable starter on a multi year contract for Oladipo.

Your scenario makes sense though (I think). Even with Fred returning, we just have to renounce both Kyle and Oladipo to create space for a max contract.

edit: I guess technically if Giannis wants to play with Oladipo instead of Fred, we could find a way to unload Fred too.

I dont think we get Oladipo without picks. Im sure a team like Miami would offer picks and players. I doubt Pacers accept a low ball offer. It will all come down to who can beat our offer. I think the more likely scenario would be a Fred for Oladipo swap , if Fred wants to go to Indiana for big money.

[HeadtopChunes]

Pacers Info Dump from a beat writer

For those who missed it, J. Michael (IndyStar Pacers beat writer) was on JMV today in Indy and had a few interesting nuggets to say about Vic and other Pacers news:

— Doesn’t expect a coach to be named until another team makes a hire and dominos start falling

— He mentioned that the Pacers were unlikely to hire Doc Rivers and mentioned how expensive some of the coaches would be versus a younger assistant that the Pacers would rather prefer from a financial standpoint

— Noted that he thought Billups would be in the list of top 3 candidates for coach

— He suggested the Pacers may be waiting for the Finals to be over to hire a coach as they may have an interest in someone on the Heat bench

— He said he expects less than 10% chance Vic is on the team when the season starts and 100% chance he won’t be on the roster at the end of the season

— Wasn’t surprised by the report that came out earlier this week as he had reported the Pacers and Vic hadn’t been on the same page in months despite Vic playing in the bubble

— Mentioned that Brogdon was the locker room leader and that he and Vic didn’t seem to get along very well

— Noted that one of the reasons Nate was fired was because he did not have control of the locker room and that the issues between Vic and Brogdon were never addressed by Nate

— Mentioned that he didn’t think Vic would command an All-Star in return unless packaged with Myles and mentioned this could possibly occur

—- Pacers will need to decide if they want someone who can help them compete immediately or a draft pick who can help down the road

— Michael mentioned that he was told the Pacers were more in favor of an established player versus a rookie, pick or younger player with potential

— He noted that multiple teams coveted Myles and mentioned the Wizards by name and that Turner may not be valued as much by Pacer fans, but that other teams valued him

— Suggested that Myles had more trade value than Vic at this point

— Mentioned that the Pacers have been presented with 2 deals already for Vic and that they were both 3 team deals with multiple players involved

— He also mentioned that the Pacers have had conversations with 3 teams already about Vic and would not name them by name

Pretty good listen with some good notes.

I personally expect the Pacers to hire a younger assistant and bring in a former HC or experienced assistants to fill out the bench. I also expect Vic to be traded in the coming months.

[execoftheyear]

We could do Norm + Mccaw for Oladipo. Then we renounce Lowry. We would have cap space for Giannis. If Oladipo sucks you renounce him sign Giannis and some other player. Victors Cap hold is 31.5 Mil. You basically sign Victor forst if you want to keep him if he is decent but not amazing. If Victor is considered a max player next summer the. Yes you would have to choose between Victor and Giannis. But who knows Victor if he regains his form could lead this team back to finals at which point we may not need Giannis or if Giannis wants to come here we would have to choose between the two.

Do you think Pacers would be interested in a Norm for Oladipo trade without any picks or prospects involved? I was under the assumption that they would want future assets (picks and/or prospects) OR a serviceable starter on a multi year contract for Oladipo.

Your scenario makes sense though (I think). Even with Fred returning, we just have to renounce both Kyle and Oladipo to create space for a max contract.

edit: I guess technically if Giannis wants to play with Oladipo instead of Fred, we could find a way to unload Fred too.

I dont think we get Oladipo without picks. Im sure a team like Miami would offer picks and players. I doubt Pacers accept a low ball offer. It will all come down to who can beat our offer. I think the more likely scenario would be a Fred for Oladipo swap , if Fred wants to go to Indiana for big money.

yea, I'd be surprised if we get him without having to give up a pick with so many teams rumoured to be interested in him.

[OAKLEY_2]

Based on what I'm reading here. It sounds like a Norm + filler for Oladipo trade is not an option since we won't be able to maintain the cap space to sign a max contract.

Which leaves us with a s&t Fred for Oladipo trade as our only option.

Questions
1) Would the Raptors do the trade? What are the risks involved? What are our options?
2) Would the Pacers do it?
3) Would Fred do it?

1) No.
2) Yes.
3) No. He'd be pissed off and steer his own course for more money.