2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[KGdaBom]

Phone call

I find it hard to believe Rosas and company have already made up their minds six weeks out from the draft.

Don't get me wrong, it's sounding as if he is the target. Just seems really early in the process to have that nailed down.

I don't believe they can possibly be stupid enough to be making promises to any draft prospect. There's no benefit to it.

[urinesane]

Are they not doing any workouts or at least remote ones?

At least kick the damn tires a bit.

[Slim Tubby]

That set up nicely for my dream draft:

1.) CJames Wiseman
17.) SG Tyrese Maxey
33.) PG Tre Jones

For our loyal Euro posters, can any of you provide a player comparison for Pokusevski?


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Sorry they have Jones going at 27. I would take Terry at 17 if not Pokusevski. Pokusevski's euro comp would be Dirk or KP. Here are Tankathon's picks from 23-33.

23 UTA
Theo Maledon
PG | ASVEL
6'4"
174 lbs
International
19.3 yrs
15.1 PTS 4.0 REB 5.6 AST 0.3 BLK 0.9 STL

24 MIL
Nico Mannion
PG | Arizona
6'3"
179 lbs
Freshman
19.5 yrs
15.6 PTS 2.8 REB 5.9 AST 0.0 BLK 1.3 STL

25 OKC
Leandro Bolmaro
SG | FC Barcelona
6'7"
180 lbs
International
20.1 yrs
6.8 PTS 5.6 REB 0.0 AST 0.0 BLK 1.1 STL

26 BOS
Tyler Bey
SF | Colorado
6'7"
216 lbs
Junior
22.6 yrs
17.2 PTS 11.2 REB 1.8 AST 1.4 BLK 1.9 STL

27 NY
Tre Jones
PG | Duke
6'2.5"
185 lbs
Sophomore
20.7 yrs
16.5 PTS 4.3 REB 6.5 AST 0.4 BLK 1.8 STL

28 LAL
Desmond Bane
SG | TCU
6'5"
215 lbs
Senior
22.3 yrs
16.6 PTS 6.3 REB 3.9 AST 0.5 BLK 1.5 STL

29 TOR
Isaiah Stewart
PF | Washington
6'9"
245 lbs
Freshman
19.4 yrs
19.0 PTS 9.8 REB 0.9 AST 2.3 BLK 0.6 STL

30 BOS
Vernon Carey Jr.
C | Duke
6'10"
265 lbs
Freshman
19.6 yrs
25.7 PTS 12.7 REB 1.4 AST 2.3 BLK 1.0 STL

31 DAL
Jaden McDaniels
SF | Washington
6'10"
184 lbs
Freshman
20.0 yrs
15.0 PTS 6.7 REB 2.4 AST 1.6 BLK 0.9 STL

32 CHA
Jahmi'us Ramsey
SG | Texas Tech
6'4"
195 lbs
Freshman
19.3 yrs
17.4 PTS 4.6 REB 2.6 AST 0.8 BLK 1.5 STL

33 MIN
Robert Woodard II
SF | Mississippi State
6'7"
230 lbs
Sophomore
21.0 yrs
12.4 PTS 7.1 REB 1.4 AST 1.1 BLK 1.2 STL

I really like Poku but he’s an enormous gamble. Kristaps had played two years in the Spanish League, starters minutes his last year, and was productive when drafted. Dirk was an entirely difference animal. I think we think of him as an all time great shooter but kind of a seven foot stiff guy. If you look back at the ‘98 Hoops Summit game, 19 year old Dirk was taking it fluidly coast to coast and was the dominant big man in that game, winning MVP.

Poku has only played Division 2 ball for his club. Essentially their version of the G League. And in his major exposure, last years Euro U18s, while having crazy flashes and highlights, he still shot under 30% overall for the tournament.

I’m not down on Poku and I would probably consider him hard at 17; however, he’s a HUGE project that will take a few years to have productive NBA minutes.

Excellent stuff on Poku, jpatrick.

As for #17, if both Maxey and Terry are there, I’m not sure I could decide...really like both players.


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[Slim Tubby]

No. I want to see if he is really 6’7 and him doing interview with teams are great as the Wolves will be there.

Now that Ball isn't going through the measurements and meeting individually with teams, specifically Minny...

Maybe someone gave Lamelo a promise already.

Someone like the wolves.....

Where’s that damn barf emoji when I need it?


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[jpatrick]

There is zero incentive for the team with the #1 pick to make a promise. Maybe LaMelo saw the top 3 players opted out and thought WTH am I doing here.

The only scenario I could imagine he got a promise is if the Knicks, the only team to interview him, have a deal in place with Golden State or Charlotte and need him to drop to 2-3 to make the deal take place. I could see him wanting to go to NY for marketing reasons. However, there is no evidence of this. Now if he refuses to interview with MN or workout, if workouts are allowed, then I might start to wonder if something is in the works.

[Worm Guts]

There is zero incentive for the team with the #1 pick to make a promise. Maybe LaMelo saw the top 3 players opted out and thought WTH am I doing here.

I don’t know if it’s referred to as a promise, but teams pretty commonly identify who they will take with the top pick. Sometimes even at the lottery. The incentive could be to not workout with other teams (unnecessary injury risk).
I suppose you could say they could make it public in that case.

[Worm Guts]

But I do think the most likely scenario is that Ball just saw the other top guys weren’t working out and decided their was no reason for him to.

[KGdaBom]

There is zero incentive for the team with the #1 pick to make a promise. Maybe LaMelo saw the top 3 players opted out and thought WTH am I doing here.

The only scenario I could imagine he got a promise is if the Knicks, the only team to interview him, have a deal in place with Golden State or Charlotte and need him to drop to 2-3 to make the deal take place. I could see him wanting to go to NY for marketing reasons. However, there is no evidence of this. Now if he refuses to interview with MN or workout, if workouts are allowed, then I might start to wonder if something is in the works.

To me the promise is never worth it. It's stupid no matter what pick. I can see the slightest advantage if you're trying to keep some player secret and he agrees to not workout for other teams in return for the promise. The risk IMO outweighs the reward.

[KGdaBom]

But I do think the most likely scenario is that Ball just saw the other top guys weren’t working out and decided their was no reason for him to.

This is sensible.

[old school 34]

That B/R kind of hammers all 3 consensus guys...looking for clicks--maybe?

Doogie saying we're considering just the top 2 G's @ 1....true doubt it, but I do think there's a real chance he doesn't like any of the 3. Think this leak could very much be internal...as much as anything just trying to improve a trade market that's going to be tough to maximize compared to other year's.

If I could get RJ, 8, and 2021 frp...I'd deal with NY. RJ's flawed for sure, but I think I trust him more than any of the top 3 & better than any of the other Atl guys with exception of maybe Reddish?

If there's a way I could turn 1 & 17 into 6 & 8 (+ parts)....rather come out say with Okongwu and Vassell....those are probably the two that I'd be most comfortable with....trick is just manipulating the picks to align to be able to draft both?

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I would be shocked if we got both Barrett and a pick.

Barrett and 8 plus an unprotected is not going to happen. No way in Hell. I might accept either 8 and Barrett or 8 and unprotected #1.

Threw this out in some other posts...where if we were to get future first, 8, & RJ....we'd give them wing back...Culver or Okogie? I agree not going to get both without putting in more to boot.

I know RJ didn't have great year as well, but to me passes the eye test & mentality/drive needed to reach closer to his ceiling than say Culver. I know Culver is great kid and hard worker (& someone that I'm rooting for), but worried he may be too nice & doesn't seem to have that edge when on the court?

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[KGdaBom]

I would be shocked if we got both Barrett and a pick.

Barrett and 8 plus an unprotected is not going to happen. No way in Hell. I might accept either 8 and Barrett or 8 and unprotected #1.

Threw this out in some other posts...where if we were to get future first, 8, & RJ....we'd give them wing back...Culver or Okogie? I agree not going to get both without putting in more to boot.

I know RJ didn't have great year as well, but to me passes the eye test & mentality/drive needed to reach closer to his ceiling than say Culver. I know Culver is great kid and hard worker (& someone that I'm rooting for), but worried he may be too nice & doesn't seem to have that edge when on the court?

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I definitely prefer Barrett to Culver and a lot of it has to do with Barrett being a full sized SF where Culver is a tweener, but more suited for SG.

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I would have no problem at all with us drafting Oturu at 17 and be thrilled with him at 33. Draft sites have him as high as #8 and as low as #50+ on their boards. I think the ones who have him rated higher are the right ones.
Riller is OK, but I'm leery of guys who appear over 30 years old. Miller is in actuality 23, but will turn 24 early in the season. He'd probably be a good pick at 33.

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I would have no problem at all with us drafting Oturu at 17 and be thrilled with him at 33. Draft sites have him as high as #8 and as low as #50+ on their boards. I think the ones who have him rated higher are the right ones.
Riller is OK, but I'm leery of guys who appear over 30 years old. Miller is in actuality 23, but will turn 24 early in the season. He'd probably be a good pick at 33.

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

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I would have no problem at all with us drafting Oturu at 17 and be thrilled with him at 33. Draft sites have him as high as #8 and as low as #50+ on their boards. I think the ones who have him rated higher are the right ones.
Riller is OK, but I'm leery of guys who appear over 30 years old. Miller is in actuality 23, but will turn 24 early in the season. He'd probably be a good pick at 33.

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

Right if the wolves trade for Simmons then I am all in on a shooter at 33 , Isaiah Joe is my top choice there.
http://www.si.com/.amp-raptors/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-nba-draft-arkansas-isaiah-joe

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I would have no problem at all with us drafting Oturu at 17 and be thrilled with him at 33. Draft sites have him as high as #8 and as low as #50+ on their boards. I think the ones who have him rated higher are the right ones.
Riller is OK, but I'm leery of guys who appear over 30 years old. Miller is in actuality 23, but will turn 24 early in the season. He'd probably be a good pick at 33.

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

Oturu is a very productive Center or PF who shoots 3s well, and blocks shots and rebounds. I've seen him as high as 8 on big boards and much lower. I disagree with those who see him as a 2nd rounder like you. Time will tell that I'm right and you're wrong.
If we don't draft a big with our first pick I will be open to drafting him with our 17 or 33.

[KGdaBom]

I would have no problem at all with us drafting Oturu at 17 and be thrilled with him at 33. Draft sites have him as high as #8 and as low as #50+ on their boards. I think the ones who have him rated higher are the right ones.
Riller is OK, but I'm leery of guys who appear over 30 years old. Miller is in actuality 23, but will turn 24 early in the season. He'd probably be a good pick at 33.

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

Right if the wolves trade for Simmons then I am all in on a shooter at 33 , Isaiah Joe is my top choice there.
http://www.si.com/.amp-raptors/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-nba-draft-arkansas-isaiah-joe

Oturu could be just the PF we need and he is a shooter unless 37% from 3 isn't good enough for you.

[KGdaBom]

Remember the suggestion that we should have traded RoCo for Anfernee Simons and Nassir Little? I present that as an example of how people can get too caught up in potential rather than actual performance. I personally think many of us are overvaluing our pick's particularly at 17.

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I would have no problem at all with us drafting Oturu at 17 and be thrilled with him at 33. Draft sites have him as high as #8 and as low as #50+ on their boards. I think the ones who have him rated higher are the right ones.
Riller is OK, but I'm leery of guys who appear over 30 years old. Miller is in actuality 23, but will turn 24 early in the season. He'd probably be a good pick at 33.

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

Seriously...do you even watch college basketball? Oturu is 10 times the player that Naz is (and I like Reid) both offensively and defensively. If you want to argue that you’re concerned about his past shoulder injuries, that’s fair, but there is NO comparison between the two players...Oturu is far superior than Reid. Whoever gets him will he very pleased.


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[Mattya]

11-20 in this draft is actually pretty good. The only reason people aren’t high on the draft is because the top 3 and top 9 isn’t that great. It’s after that top I that there are about 10-15 interchangeable prospects.