Nuggets Trades

[THE J0KER]

Bol Bol is just another super tall freak player like Marjanovic, I dont see him ever being serious rotational player. If you can package him for some star player, do it without thinking about it.

With his shooting skills and mobility, Bol should not be compared with his father nor Boban, but with Porzingins. With his size, he can solve the backup-C role if the team needs it, but he is basically forward, no matter of his height, just like KP. The reason why we should trade him is not his inability to be a serious rotational player (with a similar body Porzigins will be all-star), but because he is our best asset right now (better than late FRP) and with MPJ+Grant (with possible re-sign of Millsap) we don't need so much forward as 2nd guard, and as a contender, we have no time anymore to develop young unique-style talents.

[THE J0KER]

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I'm not sure are Karl has deep insider information from Denver anymore, but if this is not just rumors I guess NOP will give Josh Hart and their #13 pick from this 2020 draft and will land Harris and Barton (with possible redirection to the third team). Otherwise, no logic to trade probably future all-star for a great but expiring player. If FO doing such a deal, the real question is why they didn't make such a deal before the trade deadline this winter to have prime Jrue for an extra playoff and where NOP 2020 1st round pick before the lottery was potentially TOP10 (I guess TOP5 protected)?

Murray-Jrue-Hart-Grant-Jokic with deep bench looks great for the 2020-21 season, but what will happen already in 2021-22 when Jrue and Hart contracts expire?

I'm against MPJ trades even for bigger packages than this, but if there is a Porter-Malone war behind, and the front office is all over Malone as usual, better to free Porter and trade him until his market price is high.

[psimanic1]

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I'm not sure are Karl has deep insider information from Denver anymore, but if this is not just rumors I guess NOP will give Josh Hart and their #13 pick from this 2020 draft and will land Harris and Barton (with possible redirection to the third team). Otherwise, no logic to trade probably future all-star for a great but expiring player. If FO doing such a deal, the real question is why they didn't make such a deal before the trade deadline this winter to have prime Jrue for an extra playoff and where NOP 2020 1st round pick before the lottery was potentially TOP10 (I guess TOP5 protected)?

Murray-Jrue-Hart-Grant-Jokic with deep bench looks great for the 2020-21 season, but what will happen already in 2021-22 when Jrue and Hart contracts expire?

I'm against MPJ trades even for bigger packages than this, but if there is a Porter-Malone war behind, and the front office is all over Malone as usual, better to free Porter and trade him until his market price is high.

I don't think this is insider info, it looks to me more like his opinion, like, "Nuggets SHOULD want him next to Murray even if it has to include MPJ"
Also, I wouldn't trade MPJ for him, as you said, I wouldn't trade him even in bigger package probably..

[NuggetsWY]

Bol Bol is just another super tall freak player like Marjanovic, I dont see him ever being serious rotational player. If you can package him for some star player, do it without thinking about it.

With his shooting skills and mobility, Bol should not be compared with his father nor Boban, but with Porzingins. With his size, he can solve the backup-C role if the team needs it, but he is basically forward, no matter of his height, just like KP. The reason why we should trade him is not his inability to be a serious rotational player (with a similar body Porzigins will be all-star), but because he is our best asset right now (better than late FRP) and with MPJ+Grant (with possible re-sign of Millsap) we don't need so much forward as 2nd guard, and as a contender, we have no time anymore to develop young unique-style talents.

Agreed - but I'd switch the conclusion and say we shouldn't trade him. He's probably never going to be more than a poor-man's Porzingis. We should keep him, not just because he provides matchup issues, but mostly we shouldn't trade him because his trade value is low due to his age and injury history. I think it's better to gamble on his future.

[Mickey8]

Bol Bol is just another super tall freak player like Marjanovic, I dont see him ever being serious rotational player. If you can package him for some star player, do it without thinking about it.

With his shooting skills and mobility, Bol should not be compared with his father nor Boban, but with Porzingins. With his size, he can solve the backup-C role if the team needs it, but he is basically forward, no matter of his height, just like KP. The reason why we should trade him is not his inability to be a serious rotational player (with a similar body Porzigins will be all-star), but because he is our best asset right now (better than late FRP) and with MPJ+Grant (with possible re-sign of Millsap) we don't need so much forward as 2nd guard, and as a contender, we have no time anymore to develop young unique-style talents.

I dont think he's the best Denver asset , he should be a filler to any Denver's trade, I am sure other team will ask for Porter first ,not Bol Bol, I dont see Bol Bol being all star ever in his career not even near to that status , he shows good move or two from time to time like every player in the NBA does but I dont think he will ever be serviceable rotational player , I think his potential is overblown and he will end up being attraction because of his freakish height and will be out of the league in 5,6 seasons maybe even sooner .

[Alatan]

Bol Bol is just another super tall freak player like Marjanovic, I dont see him ever being serious rotational player. If you can package him for some star player, do it without thinking about it.

With his shooting skills and mobility, Bol should not be compared with his father nor Boban, but with Porzingins. With his size, he can solve the backup-C role if the team needs it, but he is basically forward, no matter of his height, just like KP. The reason why we should trade him is not his inability to be a serious rotational player (with a similar body Porzigins will be all-star), but because he is our best asset right now (better than late FRP) and with MPJ+Grant (with possible re-sign of Millsap) we don't need so much forward as 2nd guard, and as a contender, we have no time anymore to develop young unique-style talents.

Agreed - but I'd switch the conclusion and say we shouldn't trade him. He's probably never going to be more than a poor-man's Porzingis. We should keep him, not just because he provides matchup issues, but mostly we shouldn't trade him because his trade value is low due to his age and injury history. I think it's better to gamble on his future.

I agree with NuggetsWY. We should not trade Bol. At least not until we see what can he do on the court. He is a very raw player with immense talent.

As a small market team we should hold on to any chance we have at getting an all star player. Trading for a vet role player for him is the best we could hope for and it would accomplish nothing as getting vet role players is not our problem. Its getting stars. His trade value is not high enough to be in a meaningful package and using him as a sweetener is plain dumb. Worst case is using both him and Porter to get an old star/borderline star/expiring star. Too much risk for a very short championship window. It would just lock us in trademill land. A high level one but still a pretender.

We reached the conference finals but lets not fool our selves. We are not ready to win it all yet as our top guys are still pretty young and some of our key starters have fallen of a cliff for one reason or another. The league is very weak currently but as soon as next season some guys will return from injuries and some kids will get better making the league much tougher. Lets not force the issue but develop our guys further.

The smartest move is to wait and see what we have. His trade value can only grow from here.
If Bol busts its no big deal. We payed nothing to get him and we lose almost nothing by not trading him.
But if he becomes anything close to Porzingis we will have a very strong lineup.

[Mickey8]

As long you can keep keep the core , everyone else should be expandable if you can add another star player via trade . Denver is close to the point when they can go all the way to the NBA finals , Denver shouldn't waste this opportunity and settle for mediocrity

[Alatan]

Concerning Jrue Holiday. He is the exact type of player we need and i was advocating for us to get him in the past but at this point he is getting up there in age and i think with his injury history he doesnt have much time left as a great player. Had we traded for him the past offseason or even better the one prior to that id be happy but as of now i think he is too old for our core and we should look for a younger piece. Players tend to start severely declining around age 32 and those that rely on athleticism or had plenty injuries even earlier. It wouldnt surprise me if Jrue regressed as a player in the next two seasons.

Oladipo is another name frequently mentioned and i think that the injury left him a shell of a player so we should be smart and avoid him too.

We should try to find a replacement for Garry Harris and players like Marcus Smart would be a very nice addition. Not really a star but a tremendously useful player in the right role.

[NuggetsWY]

We are not ready to win it all yet as our top guys are still pretty young and some of our key starters have fallen of a cliff for one reason or another.

Young? Jokic is 25 with 5 years now
. and . Murray is 23 with 4 years now
They are the heart of the team and Jokic is only sorta' young in NBA terms.

Porter is 22 and just finished year 1.
Monte Morris is 25 with 3 years experience.
Jerami Grant is 26
Will Barton is 29
Gary Harris is 26
They are the rest of our core players.

It just doesn't seem that we are "young" any more --- or at least on the edge of no longer young.

[Nuggninja]

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I'm not sure are Karl has deep insider information from Denver anymore, but if this is not just rumors I guess NOP will give Josh Hart and their #13 pick from this 2020 draft and will land Harris and Barton (with possible redirection to the third team). Otherwise, no logic to trade probably future all-star for a great but expiring player. If FO doing such a deal, the real question is why they didn't make such a deal before the trade deadline this winter to have prime Jrue for an extra playoff and where NOP 2020 1st round pick before the lottery was potentially TOP10 (I guess TOP5 protected)?

Murray-Jrue-Hart-Grant-Jokic with deep bench looks great for the 2020-21 season, but what will happen already in 2021-22 when Jrue and Hart contracts expire?

I'm against MPJ trades even for bigger packages than this, but if there is a Porter-Malone war behind, and the front office is all over Malone as usual, better to free Porter and trade him until his market price is high.

That’s a terrible take from Karl. Jrue is a great player and would help the Nuggets but he isn’t someone who is going to put them over the top with just his addition.

If MPJ develops into a superstar the Nuggets will have organically formed a big 3. You can’t give up on that potential unless you’re making a move that makes you the favorite to win the championship and this wouldn’t do that.

[TunaFish]

My target is Bogdan Bogdanovic at Sacramento. He is a restricted free agent who plays the same position as Buddy Hield. Hield is on a massive contract and the Kings are faced with Bogdan wanting a pay raise likely in the 20 million range. As a result Bogdan has apparently let it be known that he is not happy with the King's direction and maybe he will want to play with his Serbian national teammate Jokic. Hield is not happy coming off the bench.

If they would take Harris and a 1st pick, the contract's range given what Bogdan wants is not too far apart from Harris. Otherwise the Kings risk Bogdan playing out his contract and entering unrestricted free agency at the end of next season.

[skywalker33]

My target is Bogdan Bogdanovic at Sacramento. He is a restricted free agent who plays the same position as Buddy Hield. Hield is on a massive contract and the Kings are faced with Bogdan wanting a pay raise likely in the 20 million range. As a result Bogdan has apparently let it be known that he is not happy with the King's direction and maybe he will want to play with his Serbian national teammate Jokic. Hield is not happy coming off the bench.

If they would take Harris and a 1st pick, the contract's range given what Bogdan wants is not too far apart from Harris. Otherwise the Kings risk Bogdan playing out his contract and entering unrestricted free agency at the end of next season.

While I like Bogdanovic, he'd add at least one year (probably two) at $20M+ onto our salary cap so you'd better be sure he is THE PLAYER worth it. He's also 2 years older than Harris but I do like his size next to Murray, Don't know how his defense is, if it's not close to GHarris then have to weigh in on is his offense worth the difference in defense ?? I would agree he'd be on my list of candidates, the SAC FO is looking for change, perhaps this is it.

[NuggetsWY]

My target is Bogdan Bogdanovic at Sacramento. He is a restricted free agent who plays the same position as Buddy Hield. Hield is on a massive contract and the Kings are faced with Bogdan wanting a pay raise likely in the 20 million range. As a result Bogdan has apparently let it be known that he is not happy with the King's direction and maybe he will want to play with his Serbian national teammate Jokic. Hield is not happy coming off the bench.

If they would take Harris and a 1st pick, the contract's range given what Bogdan wants is not too far apart from Harris. Otherwise the Kings risk Bogdan playing out his contract and entering unrestricted free agency at the end of next season.

While I like Bogdanovic, he'd add at least one year (probably two) at $20M+ onto our salary cap so you'd better be sure he is THE PLAYER worth it. He's also 2 years older than Harris but I do like his size next to Murray, Don't know how his defense is, if it's not close to GHarris then have to weigh in on is his offense worth the difference in defense ?? I would agree he'd be on my list of candidates, the SAC FO is looking for change, perhaps this is it.

Bogdanovic's defense isn't as good as Harris' but it's better than Barton. He plays intelligent defense for the most part.

I'd actually love adding him to our roster and think he'd fit well on the offensive end for sure. He'd open up the paint a little more because you can't back off from him. He also likes to move around, making him a good target for Jokic's passing.

I just don't think Sacramento is going to trade him and especially not for Harris and one 1st. I'm not sure what it would take. Sacramento has a bunch of young bigs. I'm not sure what they want to do there. Their PG is set and with Hield there, SG is set. Barnes is their SF and while we don't need him, I suspect they'd trade him. We could offer Harris plus Morris or Dozier and a 1st or maybe just Harris and 2 or 3 1sts. But if they accepted something like that, it would mostly be for the picks IMO.

[skywalker33]

Stole this idea a bit from the Rebel, but how about this one:

CHI trades SF/SG Chandler Hutchinson, C Daniel Gafford, #44, and 2021 2nd
DEN trades PG Monte Morris, F Vlatko Cancar, and #22

[NuggetsWY]

Stole this idea a bit from the Rebel, but how about this one:

CHI trades SF/SG Chandler Hutchinson, C Daniel Gafford, #44, and 2021 2nd
DEN trades PG Monte Morris, F Vlatko Cancar, and #22

I think Morris is the best player in the deal and we're giving up a 1st as well. I don't like it but I won't cry too much about that. What I don't like is I just don't see Hutchinson or Gafford every filling any serious minutes.

I'd rather keep Morris or at least get more value for him plus a 1st. If we flip the picks around, I might go for this deal, but like Sky, I'm not impressed with this year's draft. So how about:

CHI trades SF/SG Chandler Hutchinson, C Daniel Gafford, Chicago 1st top-10 protected for 2 years then unprotected.
DEN trades PG Monte Morris, F Vlatko Cancar, and 2020 #22 plus 2022 & 2023 2nds.

[TunaFish]

Stole this idea a bit from the Rebel, but how about this one:

CHI trades SF/SG Chandler Hutchinson, C Daniel Gafford, #44, and 2021 2nd
DEN trades PG Monte Morris, F Vlatko Cancar, and #22

I can support that trade but I think the Bulls are high on these two, particularly Gafford.

[TunaFish]

Stole this idea a bit from the Rebel, but how about this one:

CHI trades SF/SG Chandler Hutchinson, C Daniel Gafford, #44, and 2021 2nd
DEN trades PG Monte Morris, F Vlatko Cancar, and #22

I think Morris is the best player in the deal and we're giving up a 1st as well. I don't like it but I won't cry too much about that. What I don't like is I just don't see Hutchinson or Gafford every filling any serious minutes.

I'd rather keep Morris or at least get more value for him plus a 1st. If we flip the picks around, I might go for this deal, but like Sky, I'm not impressed with this year's draft. So how about:

CHI trades SF/SG Chandler Hutchinson, C Daniel Gafford, Chicago 1st top-10 protected for 2 years then unprotected.
DEN trades PG Monte Morris, F Vlatko Cancar, and 2020 #22 plus 2022 & 2023 2nds.

If I am reading the tea leaves here, Morris is a good backup point guard with value but he is a restricted free agent. However, if you think he is replaceable with Dozier then you might think about it. I generally would rather keep Morris and continue to develop Dozier.

I am not sure how valuable that pick is given the nature of the draft.

Also think the Nuggets may let Plumlee walk and Gafford might be an interesting replacement that might change the equation here. I trust TC's scouting and I feel certain he has replacement in mind for Plumlee but Gafford could also be a power forward.

Dang I guess I am starting to like this trade.

[TunaFish]

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I'm not sure are Karl has deep insider information from Denver anymore, but if this is not just rumors I guess NOP will give Josh Hart and their #13 pick from this 2020 draft and will land Harris and Barton (with possible redirection to the third team). Otherwise, no logic to trade probably future all-star for a great but expiring player. If FO doing such a deal, the real question is why they didn't make such a deal before the trade deadline this winter to have prime Jrue for an extra playoff and where NOP 2020 1st round pick before the lottery was potentially TOP10 (I guess TOP5 protected)?

Murray-Jrue-Hart-Grant-Jokic with deep bench looks great for the 2020-21 season, but what will happen already in 2021-22 when Jrue and Hart contracts expire?

I'm against MPJ trades even for bigger packages than this, but if there is a Porter-Malone war behind, and the front office is all over Malone as usual, better to free Porter and trade him until his market price is high.

I don't think this is insider info, it looks to me more like his opinion, like, "Nuggets SHOULD want him next to Murray even if it has to include MPJ"
Also, I wouldn't trade MPJ for him, as you said, I wouldn't trade him even in bigger package probably..

Karl burnt bridges with management a while back so he has no inside information. Karl also doesn't care for rookies and doesn't like to develop players. I heard Karl make a radio pitch that the Nuggets need to bite the bullet on luxury tax and take on CP3. The Nuggets could have done that but I think wisely declined. He stated Murray was not a point guard and we know how that has turned out. Karl is a decent regular season coach but developing players was not a strength, he left that to assistant coaches instead.

[skywalker33]

Stole this idea a bit from the Rebel, but how about this one:

CHI trades SF/SG Chandler Hutchinson, C Daniel Gafford, #44, and 2021 2nd
DEN trades PG Monte Morris, F Vlatko Cancar, and #22

I think Morris is the best player in the deal and we're giving up a 1st as well. I don't like it but I won't cry too much about that. What I don't like is I just don't see Hutchinson or Gafford every filling any serious minutes.

I'd rather keep Morris or at least get more value for him plus a 1st. If we flip the picks around, I might go for this deal, but like Sky, I'm not impressed with this year's draft. So how about:

CHI trades SF/SG Chandler Hutchinson, C Daniel Gafford, Chicago 1st top-10 protected for 2 years then unprotected.
DEN trades PG Monte Morris, F Vlatko Cancar, and 2020 #22 plus 2022 & 2023 2nds.

I agree Morris is the better player here but Dozier needs Morris’s minutes to develop, Hutchison is a good 2-way on a rookie deal, feel like he could allow us to trade Barton or Harris and Gafford replaces Plumlee. As you noted I am not high on this draft so we move back to pick up a prospect plus pick up another high 2022 2nd in what appears like a better draft.

BTW, I don’t believe we have any 2nds until 2023

[The Rebel]

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I'm not sure are Karl has deep insider information from Denver anymore, but if this is not just rumors I guess NOP will give Josh Hart and their #13 pick from this 2020 draft and will land Harris and Barton (with possible redirection to the third team). Otherwise, no logic to trade probably future all-star for a great but expiring player. If FO doing such a deal, the real question is why they didn't make such a deal before the trade deadline this winter to have prime Jrue for an extra playoff and where NOP 2020 1st round pick before the lottery was potentially TOP10 (I guess TOP5 protected)?

Murray-Jrue-Hart-Grant-Jokic with deep bench looks great for the 2020-21 season, but what will happen already in 2021-22 when Jrue and Hart contracts expire?

I'm against MPJ trades even for bigger packages than this, but if there is a Porter-Malone war behind, and the front office is all over Malone as usual, better to free Porter and trade him until his market price is high.

That’s a terrible take from Karl. Jrue is a great player and would help the Nuggets but he isn’t someone who is going to put them over the top with just his addition.

If MPJ develops into a superstar the Nuggets will have organically formed a big 3. You can’t give up on that potential unless you’re making a move that makes you the favorite to win the championship and this wouldn’t do that.

I agree with you that Jrue is not worth MPJ, but I think with the right moves the Nuggets are contenders next year either way.

People forget how bad Karl was when he was in charge or had a major say in the front office. He destroyed the Bucks by trading a young Ray Allen for a past his prime Gary Payton, and trading Glenn Robinson for an ancient Toni Kukoc and a future 1st. The whole 5 top 5 players to start and a top 10 bench didn't exactly work out here and he openly talked about how he had always dreamed about that.