Simmons for #1

Moderators: HartfordWhalers, Texas Chuck, BullyKing, Andre Roberstan, loserX, Trader_Joe, Mamba4Goat, pacers33granger, MoneyTalks41890

SO_MONEY
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,799
And1: 1,032
Joined: Sep 11, 2009
         

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#21 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Oct 2, 2020 3:25 pm

pipfan wrote:JJohnson, Culver, #1, #17, 2023 1st (top 3 protected) for SImmons?

Sixers get depth, and balance

For Minny it's a homerun

Of course, the idea of Beal to the Sixers is always there-Washington taking the 3 picks


Too much for a guy that hard to build around.
User_friendly
Pro Prospect
Posts: 881
And1: 406
Joined: Feb 15, 2019

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#22 » by User_friendly » Fri Oct 2, 2020 3:32 pm

jscott wrote:
stormi wrote:"Rashad Phillips" though lol

I’m not familiar. Is he not viewed as terribly credible?

I mean, I know this could easily be clickbait so I’m just wondering if you could share a bit more info about him.

Thanks.


He is him

:banghead:
PhillyNj
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,757
And1: 640
Joined: Jul 21, 2010

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#23 » by PhillyNj » Fri Oct 2, 2020 4:38 pm

youOK wrote:Seems like very poor value for Simmons

yea terrible trade for philly.
This years draft is probably the least valuable in many years.
Covid shortened season really makes it way harder to evaluate the talent . A player at 10 might be better than 1.

The Sixers aren’t downing anything like this.(risky and stupid).
HartfordWhalers
Senior Mod - 76ers and NBA TnT Forum
Senior Mod - 76ers and NBA TnT Forum
Posts: 47,322
And1: 20,917
Joined: Apr 07, 2010
 

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#24 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Oct 2, 2020 4:42 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
jscott wrote:
stormi wrote:"Rashad Phillips" though lol

I’m not familiar. Is he not viewed as terribly credible?

I mean, I know this could easily be clickbait so I’m just wondering if you could share a bit more info about him.

Thanks.



He’s not really an NBA scout. He’s not employed by a team or news operation. He’s a guy with a website that charges $15 to read his mock draft.

Maybe he’s like that barber that occasionally has inside news, but :dontknow:


If you check the guy out, he is very clearly a guy throwing stuff at the wall versus reporting rumors.
User avatar
Texas Chuck
Senior Mod - NBA TnT Forum
Senior Mod - NBA TnT Forum
Posts: 92,659
And1: 99,077
Joined: May 19, 2012
Location: Purgatory
   

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#25 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Oct 2, 2020 4:50 pm

The source is a joke. That said Minnesota should throw everything they have at Philly. Simmons is maybe the only player in the league save Giannis who makes Towns viable.
ThunderBolt wrote:I’m going to let some of you in on a little secret I learned on realgm. If you don’t like a thread, not only do you not have to comment but you don’t even have to open it and read it. You’re welcome.
Commodor
Analyst
Posts: 3,201
And1: 959
Joined: Jul 24, 2008
     

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#26 » by Commodor » Fri Oct 2, 2020 4:50 pm

drosereturn wrote:Simmons will be dealt for Culver, 1, Beasley sign and trade. Book it.
Yikers that min pick 2021 is going to be so bad for gsw, their pick might have higher value.


When Lebron came to the Lakers they had placed much higher than the current MIN squad in wins the previous season, he still failed to make the playoffs his first year in the West.

Now Simmons comes in and all of a sudden MIN is a top team?

lol hes not even the top in the East with a Philly team who is better than MIN.

Some people will do anything to devalue GSW's assets.
Wolveswin
General Manager
Posts: 8,225
And1: 2,939
Joined: Aug 22, 2020
 

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#27 » by Wolveswin » Fri Oct 2, 2020 5:01 pm

PhillyNj wrote:
youOK wrote:Seems like very poor value for Simmons

yea terrible trade for philly.
This years draft is probably the least valuable in many years.
Covid shortened season really makes it way harder to evaluate the talent . A player at 10 might be better than 1.

The Sixers aren’t downing anything like this.(risky and stupid).

This draft class just didn’t get the chance to be hyped universally by all NBA organizations. And not just due to Covid, because Ball was overseas and Wiseman didn’t play.

I was reading some good articles on this draft class. And what it boiled down to was NBA organizations work practices. If NBA organizations are late to scout — relying on NCAA tournament and/or draft workouts, they missed the boat. Many organizations fall into this category. So they will not be hyping any one player over another. They won’t have the typical man crush for certain player.

But the articles, almost every article, weren't downplaying the talent available. They were not saying “weak draft” or lack of talent in 2020 draft. Quite opposite. Article says franchise talent is there, but how do you hype what you don’t know?

So I think most drafts become top heavy. Media and clubs hyping up a small sample size of prospects. Painting a few players as organizational centerpieces and more sure thing to carry NBA torch forward.

Ayton draft is a great example. Doncic was overseas and didn’t carry enough hype to go 1 or 2. Ayton hype if cut off early March, no tournament due to Covid close, wouldn’t have been considered the sure thing he became (going #1). More so if only 3 game sample size to base Ayton hype.

I think as the draft draws near the hype will intensify. #1 and #2 could both be traded. Not because of the draft talent represented, but because of the unique situations of both organizations in those two slots.
Wolveswin
General Manager
Posts: 8,225
And1: 2,939
Joined: Aug 22, 2020
 

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#28 » by Wolveswin » Fri Oct 2, 2020 5:34 pm

As I also mentioned on Wolves board, a 3rd team is needed in any Wolves/76ers Simmons trade. I can’t imagine Doc Rivers is going to meet win-NOW expectations in Philly with Ball as his queen chess piece.

Oladipo makes sense.
Pacers get Culver + #17 + Johnson + Spellman
76ers get Dipo + #1

Holiday, Paul, LaVine, and of course Beal all are targets as well. Rivers and 76ers must covet one of them much more than just Ball alone.
nolang1
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,959
And1: 1,757
Joined: Aug 03, 2012

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#29 » by nolang1 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 5:39 pm

jscott wrote:
stormi wrote:"Rashad Phillips" though lol

I’m not familiar. Is he not viewed as terribly credible?

I mean, I know this could easily be clickbait so I’m just wondering if you could share a bit more info about him.

Thanks.


Mostly known for being the guy who had Luka like 18th or something in his mock draft.
GutUNC
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,895
And1: 2,076
Joined: Apr 10, 2001
         

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#30 » by GutUNC » Fri Oct 2, 2020 5:46 pm

nolang1 wrote:
jscott wrote:
stormi wrote:"Rashad Phillips" though lol

I’m not familiar. Is he not viewed as terribly credible?

I mean, I know this could easily be clickbait so I’m just wondering if you could share a bit more info about him.

Thanks.


Mostly known for being the guy who had Luka like 18th or something in his mock draft.


He called him a 2nd rounder.

This is a non-topic. The TWolves (since KAT isn't applicable here) don't have the pieces to get Simmons.
GDTBATH
gswhoops
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 34,772
And1: 6,447
Joined: Apr 27, 2005
   

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#31 » by gswhoops » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:01 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:The source is a joke. That said Minnesota should throw everything they have at Philly. Simmons is maybe the only player in the league save Giannis who makes Towns viable.

Agreed on both fronts. Would Minnesota flip Dlo again so quickly (slash, would KAT be on board with that)?
HartfordWhalers
Senior Mod - 76ers and NBA TnT Forum
Senior Mod - 76ers and NBA TnT Forum
Posts: 47,322
And1: 20,917
Joined: Apr 07, 2010
 

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#32 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:14 pm

wait... the guy nicknamed himself Yoda?
User avatar
Scoot McGroot
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 45,015
And1: 14,308
Joined: Feb 16, 2005
     

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#33 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:31 pm

Wolveswin wrote:As I also mentioned on Wolves board, a 3rd team is needed in any Wolves/76ers Simmons trade. I can’t imagine Doc Rivers is going to meet win-NOW expectations in Philly with Ball as his queen chess piece.

Oladipo makes sense.
Pacers get Culver + #17 + Johnson + Spellman
76ers get Dipo + #1

Holiday, Paul, LaVine, and of course Beal all are targets as well. Rivers and 76ers must covet one of them much more than just Ball alone.



Culver being a SG, and just being a horrific shooter, really makes him not an attractive piece. 40/30/46 splits while playing 24 minutes a night is the kind of thing that keeps you up at night.

What I’m saying is, is I would gladly ride Oladipo to the trade deadline and value the possible chance to re sign him more than that package. I mean, Indy gets worse and more expensive for a SG that can’t shoot.
User avatar
RCM88x
RealGM
Posts: 15,236
And1: 19,166
Joined: May 31, 2015
Location: Lebron Ball
     

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#34 » by RCM88x » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:01 pm

Simmons is absolutely picture perfect for Minnesota. Pairing him with Russell and KAT would be a massive boost imo, so long as they don't give up too much in the process (no pun intended). Don't think they should throw the whole kitchen sink at Philly for him though.

Definitely not liking it from Philly's POV however, but perhaps taking a shot at a guy like LaMelo is the most viable solution here. Interested to see if this turns into anything (probably not).
Image

LookToShoot wrote:Melo is the only player that makes the Rockets watchable for the basketball purists. Otherwise it would just be three point shots and pick n roll.
Bentley1225
RealGM
Posts: 13,646
And1: 1,646
Joined: Jan 10, 2007

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#35 » by Bentley1225 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:03 pm

A 3rd team would have to be involved to get Sixers a legit starting PG.

The could flip Cullver/Johnson/#1 to New Orleans for Holliday/#13 for example or use Horford/#1 for Holliday/#13
shrink
RealGM
Posts: 59,381
And1: 19,431
Joined: Sep 26, 2005

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#36 » by shrink » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:18 pm

Bentley1225 wrote:A 3rd team would have to be involved to get Sixers a legit starting PG.

Make me an offer on DeAngelo Russell.

Please.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
...c.a.p...
Starter
Posts: 2,443
And1: 503
Joined: Dec 09, 2004
Location: Brampton
         

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#37 » by ...c.a.p... » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:26 pm

pipfan wrote:JJohnson, Culver, #1, #17, 2023 1st (top 3 protected) for SImmons?

Sixers get depth, and balance

For Minny it's a homerun

Of course, the idea of Beal to the Sixers is always there-Washington taking the 3 picks


Wild idea:

To Minnesota - Ben Simmons
To Washington - #1, #17, Al Horford, Tobias Harris
To Philly - Bradley Beal, John Wall, James Culver, James Johnson (opts into $15mil PO)

**You could also either send #9 from Washington to Philly, or re-direct #17 Philly's way with the Wiz then ending up with #1 and #9.**

Taking Wall might seem rough but at least you're ridding yourself of Horford's (and to an extent Harris') contracts. Plus if Wall can come back and produce even 75% of what he was and you guys can keep Embiid happy, a Beal/Embiid/Wall could be something interesting to watch.
DerrickRose16 wrote:
Wade is basically Ben Gordon without the 3-point shooting. Sure, he's been a pretty good defender this year, so that would upgrade, but I'd rather have Gordon because he's cheaper and can hit those threes
User avatar
zimpy27
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 45,655
And1: 43,881
Joined: Jul 13, 2014

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#38 » by zimpy27 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:33 pm

Seems like a story made up to bump up LaMelo's value that has been slipping.


Simmons has a poison pill contract. So this trade would only happen months from now
"Let's play some basketball!" - Fergie
HartfordWhalers
Senior Mod - 76ers and NBA TnT Forum
Senior Mod - 76ers and NBA TnT Forum
Posts: 47,322
And1: 20,917
Joined: Apr 07, 2010
 

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#39 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:38 pm

shrink wrote:
Bentley1225 wrote:A 3rd team would have to be involved to get Sixers a legit starting PG.

Make me an offer on DeAngelo Russell.

Please.


He would be really good next to Ben Simmons with Embiid behind him. Perfect situation to maximize his value imo.

Simmons
Dlo
?
Tobias
Embiid

Needs Horford to salary match and then asks Minny to play 2 bigs.

Horford/Richardson/Scott matches salary with Dlo/Johnson (picks get included, just matching bodies for now)

But Horford/Thybulle for Dlo might be cleaner with Minnesota going for the upside youth versus the expiring sg.. (picks can always be added etc)

Dlo
RIchardson
Simmons
Tobias
Embiid

3 good defenders (2 great), and decent offense?

Minnesota:

Edwards
Thybulle
Culver
?
Towns

No idea....
User avatar
Celts17Pride
RealGM
Posts: 68,415
And1: 70,158
Joined: Nov 27, 2005

Re: Simmons for #1 

Post#40 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:58 pm

The big reason Philly signed Doc Rivers as opposed to MDA was because Rivers is willing to coach Simmons and Embiid. If MDA was the coach they probably would have had to move one of them to suit his style. Coach Doc Rivers allows the Sixers to keep both Simmons and Embiid. They are going nowhere

Return to Trades and Transactions