Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick?

[KGdaBom]

As a Sixers fan, i think this makes A LOT of sense. Minny looks like the perfect fit for Simmons basketball wise and also off the court. That team would have scary potential. On the other hand Simmons and Embiid fit isn't great and it looks like both need a change of scenery.

It all depends of what we can get for the 1st pick. We are in win now mode, we don't need it. If we can get CP3 and package the 1st pick for another great player(Bradley Beal or something like that) i would absolutely do this trade.

If we could get Beal for the pick we would probably go that way ourselves.

[elchengue20]

As a Sixers fan, i think this makes A LOT of sense. Minny looks like the perfect fit for Simmons basketball wise and also off the court. That team would have scary potential. On the other hand Simmons and Embiid fit isn't great and it looks like both need a change of scenery.

It all depends of what we can get for the 1st pick. We are in win now mode, we don't need it. If we can get CP3 and package the 1st pick for another great player(Bradley Beal or something like that) i would absolutely do this trade.

If we could get Beal for the pick we would probably go that way ourselves.

Ben Simmons is a way better fit than Bradley Beal for your team. Seriously, you are the perfect team for him. Simmons and Towns complement each other very well, and you have D-Lo who also complements both. Plus, they are all close friends so chemistry should be great.The potential of that team is crazy, you should try to make it happen.

Maybe getting Beal is a stretch, but if we could get something close to that (Zach Lavine?) it's still a very interesting trade for us.

[Neeva]

As a Sixers fan, i think this makes A LOT of sense. Minny looks like the perfect fit for Simmons basketball wise and also off the court. That team would have scary potential. On the other hand Simmons and Embiid fit isn't great and it looks like both need a change of scenery.

It all depends of what we can get for the 1st pick. We are in win now mode, we don't need it. If we can get CP3 and package the 1st pick for another great player(Bradley Beal or something like that) i would absolutely do this trade.

If we could get Beal for the pick we would probably go that way ourselves.

Ben Simmons is a way better fit than Bradley Beal for your team. Seriously, you are the perfect team for him. Simmons and Towns complement each other very well, and you have D-Lo who also complements both. Plus, they are all close friends so chemistry should be great.The potential of that team is crazy, you should try to make it happen.

Maybe getting Beal is a stretch, but if we could get something close to that (Zach Lavine?) it's still a very interesting trade for us.

I agree , Beal is horrible defensive fit next to Dlo, simmons is a better fit with towns and dlo.
lavine isn’t worth the top pick though.

[Wolveswin]

Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Why are we giving 17 and a future first? Why are we taking Leaf?

I see it as the cost of doing business. Of course if not required, ya keep them. I just don’t see a Simmons trade going down in which all assets aren’t required.

[KGdaBom]

If we could get Beal for the pick we would probably go that way ourselves.

Ben Simmons is a way better fit than Bradley Beal for your team. Seriously, you are the perfect team for him. Simmons and Towns complement each other very well, and you have D-Lo who also complements both. Plus, they are all close friends so chemistry should be great.The potential of that team is crazy, you should try to make it happen.

Maybe getting Beal is a stretch, but if we could get something close to that (Zach Lavine?) it's still a very interesting trade for us.

I agree , Beal is horrible defensive fit next to Dlo, simmons is a better fit with towns and dlo.
lavine isn’t worth the top pick though.

Hasn't the word been all along that the Wolves need shooting? I think Simmons and Beal are pretty equal. I'm surprised if we can get either for just #1 and Culver.

[KGdaBom]

Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Why are we giving 17 and a future first? Why are we taking Leaf?

I see it as the cost of doing business. Of course if not required, ya keep them. I just don’t see a Simmons trade going down in which all assets aren’t required.

I don't see them required. Particularly not a future unprotected #1,

[Neeva]

I was having the ****iest day and the minute I saw the thread title on the GB I got the biggest smile I've had in days.

Even with all the smoke around dealing Simmons how can this be true? They must be absolutely infatuated with Ball to consider it. Might explain why they were so hot after Doc.

How reliable is the source? I saw someone mention that he's not reliable but a quick search looks like he's someone who might be plugged in a bit.

He also was team mates in college with Lamelo Ball’s trainer.

[Wolveswin]

Why are we giving 17 and a future first? Why are we taking Leaf?

I see it as the cost of doing business. Of course if not required, ya keep them. I just don’t see a Simmons trade going down in which all assets aren’t required.

I don't see them required. Particularly not a future unprotected #1,

If the trade goes down, we will see how Rosas negotiates. I think all will be required. *not saying 1st needs to be unprotected.

[KGdaBom]

I see it as the cost of doing business. Of course if not required, ya keep them. I just don’t see a Simmons trade going down in which all assets aren’t required.

I don't see them required. Particularly not a future unprotected #1,

If the trade goes down, we will see how Rosas negotiates. I think all will be required. *not saying 1st needs to be unprotected.

If it is protected it is a whole different story. There's no evaluation of the trade without knowing the protection level and the year. If all assets are required why isn't this year's #33 in the deal? And WHY are we taking Leaf?

[SO_MONEY]

Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Quick question, you've just given away both of the Wolves' first-round picks. How does that work considering the team has already dealt next year's to the Warriors? I thought the Stepien rule prevents that from happening.

It does.

[SO_MONEY]

Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Why are we giving 17 and a future first? Why are we taking Leaf?

Easy pass on this deal. Giving up way too much.

[Wolveswin]

Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Quick question, you've just given away both of the Wolves' first-round picks. How does that work considering the team has already dealt next year's to the Warriors? I thought the Stepien rule prevents that from happening.

It does.

It doesn’t. Stepien rule is not violated.

The last phrase specifies “future NBA drafts” which means the rule only looks forward. What a team chooses to do and has done with their picks after those drafts have already occurred has zero bearing on the Stepien rule, as we saw when the New Orleans Pelicans traded a series of first round picks without violating the rule since some of those transactions occurred after the draft in question. As soon as a given draft is over, the Stepien rule no longer applies to that year, which not only affects those picks but also any obligations teams had in that draft which limited their ability to trade the following year’s selection. For example, any teams prohibited from moving their 2019 first round picks due to an obligation in 2018 are allowed to trade them as soon as the 2018 draft concludes.

[moonpie]

https://tradenba.com/trades/R9ty707ph

4 team, 8 player blockbuster framework

Wolves in: Ben Simmons
Wolves out: James Johnson, #1 pick, #17 pick, #33 pick

Sixers in: Chris Paul, Bradley Beal
Sixers out: Ben Simmons, Al Horford, Zhaire Smith, Josh Richardson, #25 pick, #34 pick

Thunder in: James Johnson, Josh Richardson, Ish Smith, #25 pick, #33 pick, #34 pick
Thunder out: Chris Paul

Wizards in: Zhaire Smith, Al Horford, #1 pick, #17 pick
Wizards out: Bradley Beal, Ish Smith

Wolves - Get Ben Simmons to go w/ KAT and DLO. Get to keep Culver
Sixers - Go all in w/ Doc. Paul/Beal/Thybulle/Harris/Embiid is a scary starting 5.
Thunder - Cash in Paul for some draft assets and cap relief. Evaluate Richardson as a fit next to SGA
Wizards - Go all in on the rebuild.

[Wolveswin]

Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Why are we giving 17 and a future first? Why are we taking Leaf?

Easy pass on this deal. Giving up way too much.

And that is a fair opinion. I just don’t see Rosas going...

76ers: “We will need the #1, Culver, Johnson, Spellman for Simmons.”

Rosas: ok

76ers: “And for draft consideration, #17 plus future 1st”

Rosas: nope, deal is dead.

76ers: “even with protections?”

Rosas: correct, I won’t get Simmons because of a protected 1st 3 drafts away.

If they don’t ask, of course off the table.

[KGdaBom]

Why are we giving 17 and a future first? Why are we taking Leaf?

Easy pass on this deal. Giving up way too much.

And that is a fair opinion. I just don’t see Rosas going...

76ers: “We will need the #1, Culver, Johnson, Spellman for Simmons.”

Rosas: ok

76ers: “And for draft consideration, #17 plus future 1st”

Rosas: nope, deal is dead.

76ers: “even with protections?”

Rosas: correct, I won’t get Simmons because of a protected 1st 3 drafts away.

If they don’t ask, of course off the table.

A mid first in this draft and a protected #1 in addition.

[KGdaBom]

Quick question, you've just given away both of the Wolves' first-round picks. How does that work considering the team has already dealt next year's to the Warriors? I thought the Stepien rule prevents that from happening.

It does.

It doesn’t. Stepien rule is not violated.

The last phrase specifies “future NBA drafts” which means the rule only looks forward. What a team chooses to do and has done with their picks after those drafts have already occurred has zero bearing on the Stepien rule, as we saw when the New Orleans Pelicans traded a series of first round picks without violating the rule since some of those transactions occurred after the draft in question. As soon as a given draft is over, the Stepien rule no longer applies to that year, which not only affects those picks but also any obligations teams had in that draft which limited their ability to trade the following year’s selection. For example, any teams prohibited from moving their 2019 first round picks due to an obligation in 2018 are allowed to trade them as soon as the 2018 draft concludes.

It does unless you make the picks before making the trade. It would no longer be 1 and 17 for Simmons it would be Ball and Whoever for Simmons.

[Wolveswin]

It does.

It doesn’t. Stepien rule is not violated.

The last phrase specifies “future NBA drafts” which means the rule only looks forward. What a team chooses to do and has done with their picks after those drafts have already occurred has zero bearing on the Stepien rule, as we saw when the New Orleans Pelicans traded a series of first round picks without violating the rule since some of those transactions occurred after the draft in question. As soon as a given draft is over, the Stepien rule no longer applies to that year, which not only affects those picks but also any obligations teams had in that draft which limited their ability to trade the following year’s selection. For example, any teams prohibited from moving their 2019 first round picks due to an obligation in 2018 are allowed to trade them as soon as the 2018 draft concludes.

It does unless you make the picks before making the trade. It would no longer be 1 and 17 for Simmons it would be Ball and Whoever for Simmons.

It might be the “rights to said player” to make it work. But the most important part is FUTURE. And some point on or just after draft day or whenever NBA considers, 2020 draft isn’t future and Stepein rule does not apply...allowing Wolves to trade both #1 and #17 despite owing 2021 1st.

[jpatrick]

I was having the ****iest day and the minute I saw the thread title on the GB I got the biggest smile I've had in days.

Even with all the smoke around dealing Simmons how can this be true? They must be absolutely infatuated with Ball to consider it. Might explain why they were so hot after Doc.

How reliable is the source? I saw someone mention that he's not reliable but a quick search looks like he's someone who might be plugged in a bit.

He also was team mates in college with Lamelo Ball’s trainer.

The guy that posted is definitely not some random dude. Now whether he has actual info or just smoke that’s out there is a bigger question.

I think people are vastly underrating Ball. He’s definitely not Zion in terms of value. But he basically took two years off from organized basketball and was thrown into a league against men that is a clear step above college ball. With no summer league or half season to adjust, by about game 6 he finally got his feet under him and for the next 5 games or so averaged about a triple double on decent shooting percentages before playing hurt the last game. People forgot that there is an adjustment period for player. I remember people in Atlanta freaking out when Trae Young shot in the 30% range in summer league and a large chunk of the beginning of his rookie season.

If the Philly brass truly believes Simmons/Embiid can’t work together. I could see a package that includes Culver, Ball, and 17 being enticing, possibly flipping Culver/17 for a different piece.

[KGdaBom]

I was having the ****iest day and the minute I saw the thread title on the GB I got the biggest smile I've had in days.

Even with all the smoke around dealing Simmons how can this be true? They must be absolutely infatuated with Ball to consider it. Might explain why they were so hot after Doc.

How reliable is the source? I saw someone mention that he's not reliable but a quick search looks like he's someone who might be plugged in a bit.

He also was team mates in college with Lamelo Ball’s trainer.

The guy that posted is definitely not some random dude. Now whether he has actual info or just smoke that’s out there is a bigger question.

I think people are vastly underrating Ball. He’s definitely not Zion in terms of value. But he basically took two years off from organized basketball and was thrown into a league against men that is a clear step above college ball. With no summer league or half season to adjust, by about game 6 he finally got his feet under him and for the next 5 games or so averaged about a triple double on decent shooting percentages before playing hurt the last game. People forgot that there is an adjustment period for player. I remember people in Atlanta freaking out when Trae Young shot in the 30% range in summer league and a large chunk of the beginning of his rookie season.

If the Philly brass truly believes Simmons/Embiid can’t work together. I could see a package that includes Culver, Ball, and 17 being enticing, possibly flipping Culver/17 for a different piece.

I still say leave #17 out of it. If Ball is all that then Culver and Ball should be enough. I personally don't feel Ball is all that, but I could be wrong.

[SO_MONEY]

Why are we giving 17 and a future first? Why are we taking Leaf?

Easy pass on this deal. Giving up way too much.

And that is a fair opinion. I just don’t see Rosas going...

76ers: “We will need the #1, Culver, Johnson, Spellman for Simmons.”

Rosas: ok

76ers: “And for draft consideration, #17 plus future 1st”

Rosas: nope, deal is dead.

76ers: “even with protections?”

Rosas: correct, I won’t get Simmons because of a protected 1st 3 drafts away.

If they don’t ask, of course off the table.

The wolves are not going to trade another future first (it is how teams are crippled) and they cannot trade both #1 and #17 without getting back into the first round. I can see #1, I can see Culver, I can see #33, I can see Johnson, I can even see Okogie, but we can't trade #1 and #17 and we won't trade a second future first. If you can find a deal that brings a first back to MN then add #17 as a possible tradeable asset.