Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick?

[SO_MONEY]

It does.

It doesn’t. Stepien rule is not violated.

The last phrase specifies “future NBA drafts” which means the rule only looks forward. What a team chooses to do and has done with their picks after those drafts have already occurred has zero bearing on the Stepien rule, as we saw when the New Orleans Pelicans traded a series of first round picks without violating the rule since some of those transactions occurred after the draft in question. As soon as a given draft is over, the Stepien rule no longer applies to that year, which not only affects those picks but also any obligations teams had in that draft which limited their ability to trade the following year’s selection. For example, any teams prohibited from moving their 2019 first round picks due to an obligation in 2018 are allowed to trade them as soon as the 2018 draft concludes.

It does unless you make the picks before making the trade. It would no longer be 1 and 17 for Simmons it would be Ball and Whoever for Simmons.

Correct.

[Baseline81]

I still say leave #17 out of it. If Ball is all that then Culver and Ball should be enough. I personally don't feel Ball is all that, but I could be wrong.

Unfortunately, I think the Brooklyn pick has to stay in. But such a trade, I believe, would only work after Minny selected Ball to abide by the Stepien Rule.

To land Love, Cleveland traded the first overall pick (Wiggins), Bennett and a 2015 Miami first-round pick (dealt to Philly for Young). Let's be honest, Culver's rookie season was disappointing, though not nearly as bad as Bennett. Philadelphia had to wait until 2016 for the pick to convey, ending up 24th overall.

[Domejandro]

Easy pass on this deal. Giving up way too much.

And that is a fair opinion. I just don’t see Rosas going...

76ers: “We will need the #1, Culver, Johnson, Spellman for Simmons.”

Rosas: ok

76ers: “And for draft consideration, #17 plus future 1st”

Rosas: nope, deal is dead.

76ers: “even with protections?”

Rosas: correct, I won’t get Simmons because of a protected 1st 3 drafts away.

If they don’t ask, of course off the table.

The wolves are not going to trade another future first (it is how teams are crippled) and they cannot trade both #1 and #17 without getting back into the first round. I can see #1, I can see Culver, I can see #33, I can see Johnson, I can even see Okogie, but we can't trade #1 and #17 and we won't trade a second future first. If you can find a deal that brings a first back to MN then add #17 as a possible tradeable asset.

That just isn’t true, there is not a restriction on trading both of our First Round Draft Picks.

[Worm Guts]

And that is a fair opinion. I just don’t see Rosas going...

76ers: “We will need the #1, Culver, Johnson, Spellman for Simmons.”

Rosas: ok

76ers: “And for draft consideration, #17 plus future 1st”

Rosas: nope, deal is dead.

76ers: “even with protections?”

Rosas: correct, I won’t get Simmons because of a protected 1st 3 drafts away.

If they don’t ask, of course off the table.

The wolves are not going to trade another future first (it is how teams are crippled) and they cannot trade both #1 and #17 without getting back into the first round. I can see #1, I can see Culver, I can see #33, I can see Johnson, I can even see Okogie, but we can't trade #1 and #17 and we won't trade a second future first. If you can find a deal that brings a first back to MN then add #17 as a possible tradeable asset.

That just isn’t true, there is not a restriction on trading both of our First Round Draft Picks.

We don’t have a pick next year, so we can’t trade both picks this year. We can however trade them both the second after we make the first pick.

[Baseline81]

Based on the following tweet, it sounds as if this isn't backed by anything Rashad Phillips has heard, but rather what he would like to see happen.

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[Wolveswin]

The wolves are not going to trade another future first (it is how teams are crippled) and they cannot trade both #1 and #17 without getting back into the first round. I can see #1, I can see Culver, I can see #33, I can see Johnson, I can even see Okogie, but we can't trade #1 and #17 and we won't trade a second future first. If you can find a deal that brings a first back to MN then add #17 as a possible tradeable asset.

That just isn’t true, there is not a restriction on trading both of our First Round Draft Picks.

We don’t have a pick next year, so we can’t trade both picks this year. We can however trade them both the second after we make the first pick.

Just to say it again, FUTURE is the key word. Being it’s after #1 is selected or when, 100% no doubt Wolves can trade #1 and #17!

[Domejandro]

That just isn’t true, there is not a restriction on trading both of our First Round Draft Picks.

We don’t have a pick next year, so we can’t trade both picks this year. We can however trade them both the second after we make the first pick.

Just to say it again, FUTURE is the key word. Being it’s after #1 is selected or when, 100% no doubt Wolves can trade #1 and #17!

Exactly, the point is that there is functionally no barrier to trading both picks, should that be needed.

[theGreatRC]

I can see a 3 team deal happening with MN-PHI-OKC if Doc wants CP3 in Philly

Something based around the #1 & #17 picks + Culver being traded, Ben Coming here & Chris Paul going to Philly.

#1 would go to Philly and #17 + Culver would go to OKC + Salary fillers to make the deal work.

So Philly would get Chris Paul + #1, that may seem like a lot, but CP is another year older and this draft is on the lighter side of talent(until we see these guys play and people will call it an underrated draft, watch)

Wolves get a young all-star for trading #1 + #17, OKC gets #17 and maybe they get Phillies 21st pick, Presti usually makes good picks in the draft so they would want that

[Midw35t]

Am I in the minority that does not want to trade Culver?

[shrink]

It sounds like you guys have Stepian down. I will just add a couple things. It’s early in the morning so some of these may have been already discussed.

1. Don’t forget to include the words “draft night trade,” if that applies. When I see a trade, I always assume “today.”

2. I have never received full confirmation on the exact time “future draft” starts. Is it when the nba draft begins? Is it subjective, so after we made the 17th pick? Is it after the draft completes, that a future draft can begin?

3. The delay on the Wiggins deal was so CLE could apply Wiggins contract for salary matching Kevin Love. Teams can trade a pick (no salary), make the pick and trade rights to a player (no salary), or if they want to use that salary, it’s a one month wait after the day the player signs (salary). Some matching chicanery can occur because a player doesn’t have to immediately sign a deal after being drafted.

4. People appear to get it, but for the others that still feel vague about it, the Stepian rule simply says that a team can’t make a deal that would leave them without a pick in the next two future drafts. The two things I see people get confused by, is that past drafts do not matter, and it doesn’t have to be YOUR pick. MIN could trade their 1st today, even though they potentially owe their 2021, because they have A pick (Nets #17). Finally, the other error I often see is combining a pick and a sigh-and-trade. The draft happens before free agency begins, so unless a team picked a player for another team and waited until FA (which is dangerous because either side could back out),, pairing a pick and a S&T won’t work.

[shrink]

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[SO_MONEY]

That just isn’t true, there is not a restriction on trading both of our First Round Draft Picks.

We don’t have a pick next year, so we can’t trade both picks this year. We can however trade them both the second after we make the first pick.

Just to say it again, FUTURE is the key word. Being it’s after #1 is selected or when, 100% no doubt Wolves can trade #1 and #17!

No they cannot. FACTS. As pointed out they need to make the selection first, you cannot go two consecutive drafts without a pick and since our 2021 pick is outstanding we cannot go without a draft pick this year. Period.

[SO_MONEY]

I can see a 3 team deal happening with MN-PHI-OKC if Doc wants CP3 in Philly

Something based around the #1 & #17 picks + Culver being traded, Ben Coming here & Chris Paul going to Philly.

#1 would go to Philly and #17 + Culver would go to OKC + Salary fillers to make the deal work.

So Philly would get Chris Paul + #1, that may seem like a lot, but CP is another year older and this draft is on the lighter side of talent(until we see these guys play and people will call it an underrated draft, watch)

Wolves get a young all-star for trading #1 + #17, OKC gets #17 and maybe they get Phillies 21st pick, Presti usually makes good picks in the draft so they would want that

OKC should provide picks for PHI taking Paul and MN should keep #17.

[Domejandro]

We don’t have a pick next year, so we can’t trade both picks this year. We can however trade them both the second after we make the first pick.

Just to say it again, FUTURE is the key word. Being it’s after #1 is selected or when, 100% no doubt Wolves can trade #1 and #17!

No they cannot. FACTS. As pointed out they need to make the selection first, you cannot go two consecutive drafts without a pick and since our 2021 pick is outstanding we cannot go without a draft pick this year. Period.

I really am not getting why it is so hard to grasp that trades can be agreed upon ahead of the Draft, functionally making it so we aren’t restricted. There is no world in which the Stepian rule would be something that could obstruct this trade.

[winforlose]

Just to say it again, FUTURE is the key word. Being it’s after #1 is selected or when, 100% no doubt Wolves can trade #1 and #17!

No they cannot. FACTS. As pointed out they need to make the selection first, you cannot go two consecutive drafts without a pick and since our 2021 pick is outstanding we cannot go without a draft pick this year. Period.

I really am not getting why it is so hard to grasp that trades can be agreed upon ahead of the Draft, functionally making it so we aren’t restricted. There is no world in which the Stepian rule would be something that could obstruct this trade.

You cannot really agree ahead of time on who take on #17 because you don’t know who will be there. Yet, you can agree to draft on behalf of another team ahead of time. This is done frequently and is a way around the Stepian rule. For example we drafted Markkanen for the Bulls and they drafted Patton for us. I am not sure one way or another if such a deal may be finalized before draft night, but I have to believe they can have an agreement in principle to carry out the trade.

[jscott]

We don’t have a pick next year, so we can’t trade both picks this year. We can however trade them both the second after we make the first pick.

Just to say it again, FUTURE is the key word. Being it’s after #1 is selected or when, 100% no doubt Wolves can trade #1 and #17!

No they cannot. FACTS. As pointed out they need to make the selection first, you cannot go two consecutive drafts without a pick and since our 2021 pick is outstanding we cannot go without a draft pick this year. Period.

Dude, there are definitely very coming workarounds used all of the time. It would be very possible for them to trade both picks.

[jscott]

Am I in the minority that does not want to trade Culver?

Nah. I feel the same way (unless the return is really good value for him.)

[Neeva]

Culver will be the most improved on the team (if he is on the team next season)

[Midw35t]

I can see a 3 team deal happening with MN-PHI-OKC if Doc wants CP3 in Philly

Something based around the #1 & #17 picks + Culver being traded, Ben Coming here & Chris Paul going to Philly.

#1 would go to Philly and #17 + Culver would go to OKC + Salary fillers to make the deal work.

So Philly would get Chris Paul + #1, that may seem like a lot, but CP is another year older and this draft is on the lighter side of talent(until we see these guys play and people will call it an underrated draft, watch)

Wolves get a young all-star for trading #1 + #17, OKC gets #17 and maybe they get Phillies 21st pick, Presti usually makes good picks in the draft so they would want that

OKC should provide picks for PHI taking Paul and MN should keep #17.

I tend to agree, at least where we keep #17. OKC having to give Philly picks? I'm not so sure. Philly just might be the only team that OKC has leverage on. In this scenario Philly is completely retooling for Embiid. Any other team and Paul's contract is an albatross. OKC had a Cinderella run, and I don't see it happening again. I don't envision Paul and Gallo being as healthy as they were, and I believe Schroeder is a free agent?