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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(538 new cases 10/1) 

Post#321 » by Lateral Quicks » Sat Oct 3, 2020 12:24 pm

ruckus wrote:I'm convinced that Trump "catching" it now is an election tactic. It'll keep him from speaking in public for 2 weeks and then as the comment above me says, he'll emerge painting himself as victorious over the deadly "China flu".


I wouldn't put it past him either, however this would require a lot of people to go along with it, including a number of doctors. Couple that with the possibility that a number of people contracted it at the superspreader event the idiotic White House put on last Saturday, and I'd say he likely has it.

He will receive the best medical care - he's already taken an experimental drug to reduce viral load - but he also has a number of co-morbidities. I'd say he's likely in for a tough fight, but odds are he'll recover. Even if he recovers, though, he may have lingering effects on his health.

I would like to think this episode will change his perspective and make him more human, but I doubt it.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#322 » by Lateral Quicks » Sat Oct 3, 2020 12:28 pm

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mtcan wrote:Please go down to one of the assessment centres and beg everyone waiting in line to cough in your face if the virus is that minor to you.

C'mon tough guy...show us you are willing back to up your interpretation of the numbers. Until then...stay inside and stay safe. You aren't dumb enough and you are not brave enough to do it. Until you do that and show us evidence of you doing it...then you are no different than me.


If someone told you that you had a 98% chance of winning a lotto for 10 million dollars would you take those odds? Of course you would and you'd buy a ticket immediately. Similarly even though in Ontario they're doing 40,000+ tests daily right now only less than 2% are coming back positive so if I did go down to any random assessment center and asked everyone to cough in my face, there's a extremely high chance that if I take a test it'll come back negative. Even if I did become infected, being a decently healthy person unless I have some condition I'm not aware of, the chances of me dying from this virus is near zero. Heck I'd probably have a higher chance of dying in a car crash while driving to an assessment center to get coughed on than I do of getting infected and dying from the virus.

To put it another way, if you took every single confirmed virus case in Canada which is 163,000 to date and put them all in Ontario, that would still only be 1% of Ontario's ENTIRE POPULATION being infected after all this time. Is that what we REALLY need to be worried about?

The point I'm trying to make is given the choice between having to be forever in fear of this virus and being forced to live under restrictions indefinitely until an effective treatment is found vs understanding the risks and getting back to living a mostly normal life and not continue to destroy people's livelihoods, I'd choose the latter easily. If people feel they are at higher risk of getting sick or dying from the virus or they simply don't want to get infected, then by all means take whatever precautions you want, but don't force EVERYONE to do that when this virus doesn't warrant such a response.


I would certainly hope you're wearing a mask indoors. If everyone wore a mask indoors, we likely wouldn't be seeing a second wave right now. You wear a mask primarily to protect others, not yourself.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#323 » by Clay Davis » Sat Oct 3, 2020 1:50 pm

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Clay Davis wrote:Problem is is that we have 2.5 hospital beds per thousand people, so if, say, 4% of the population gets it (40 per thousand) and 7.5% of them need to go to the ICU, we're using all our ICU beds for covid patients.

Anyway, people are really getting their panties in a knot about this. People are causing themselves more suffering by stressing about the things they have to do differently. Take some time bro. Enjoy some basketball, shoot the **** with the people on this board. Things will be fine.


The thing is when has that happened? Even at its peak, Ontario still had thousands of empty beds waiting for covid patients that never materialized. If you want to say that's a result of the shutdown that's fine. The thing is right now we're testing Ontarians more than ever at 40,000+ tests per day and less than 2% are coming back positive and extremely few if any of those positive cases seem to require hospital care. So why the need for tighter restrictions when we keep fearing about a rise in hospital cases and yet it continues to not happen?

The point is if we were seeing hundreds of infected people going to the hospitals daily because they needed significant care to survive the virus, then absolutely take more precautions and impose more restrictions. The thing is we ARE NOT seeing that and HAVE NEVER seen that even during the peak of the pandemic here. We keep waiting for sh*t to hit the fan and it never does. In all of Canada if you removed Ontario and Quebec from the stats, that would be 93% of virus deaths gone from Canada's total and the rest of the country would be sitting at about 700 deaths to date. That's how non-lethal this virus is.

Why do you think **** isn't hitting the fan? Do you think it has anything to do with the entire city changing the way it has operated?
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#324 » by GQStylin » Sat Oct 3, 2020 2:23 pm

mtcan wrote:It's not fear mongering if you yourself are afraid to get infected by a "minor virus" while talking **** on a message board. Numbers and talk mean ****.


No one wants the virus, but this is about understanding that the risk of getting the virus is low and if you're even halfway healthy your chances of dying from this virus is near zero. There's no absolute zero in anything and many things you do in life involves some level of risk of harm to yourself and yet you go and do it anyways. For example every single day millions of Canadians get in their cars and go driving even though they risk getting injured or killed, but why do they do it anyways? Because they realize that the risk of getting injured or killed is relatively low. No one would be driving if they had a 50/50 chance of dying each time they got behind the wheel would they?

Most people make the judgement that the activity of driving is low risk and therefore they have no problem going out and doing so daily. The same should apply to this virus which doesn't affect the vast majority of people in any significant way.

You don't want this virus because you just don't know if it ends up being a minor case or it takes you to the ICU and puts you on a ventilator. Old or young...it's happened to people of all ages. It's not like a common cold...a real "minor virus". I've known 20-something year olds and 30-something year olds who ended feeling really sick for over a month with covid. I've seen 30-something year old healthy people with covid in our ICU. Your numbers don't mean **** to these people.

I don't fear monger...but I respect the threat. That's an important distinction.


I NEVER said this was a 'minor virus', but its far from being a humanity ending virus and it doesn't warrant the severe damage to or even destroying of lives of millions of Canadians over a highly infectious but mostly non-lethal virus. People like you keep saying 'it affects people of all ages' and yet you continue to ignore the COLD, HARD, FACTS that show otherwise.

Look at the numbers here that show a whopping 297 people under the age of 60 IN ALL OF CANADA that have died of this virus to date. That's 3% of all virus deaths. A whole 2 PEOPLE UNDER THE AGE OF 20 HAVE DIED ALL THIS TIME. Tell me again that this virus affects everyone equally?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/public-health-agency-of-canada-covid-19-statistics-1.5733069

THESE are the facts that people like you who claim not to be fearmongering seem to ALWAYS never want to mention when you're making the argument that this virus requires the response that our politicians and medical experts are calling for rather than it being a gross overreaction.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#325 » by GQStylin » Sat Oct 3, 2020 2:42 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:I would certainly hope you're wearing a mask indoors. If everyone wore a mask indoors, we likely wouldn't be seeing a second wave right now. You wear a mask primarily to protect others, not yourself.


I wear a mask indoors out of respect for others, not because I'm losing my mind over the possibility of getting infected. I get that wearing a mask helps so I do my part. Also this whole notion of wearing a mask 'to protect others but not yourself' never made sense to me. If you're wearing a mask to lower the spread of germs, virus' etc. to other people, then it follows that wearing a mask also protects you to a degree from getting those same germs, virus' etc. and especially so if you're wearing an N95 mask or better.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#326 » by GQStylin » Sat Oct 3, 2020 3:07 pm

Clay Davis wrote:Why do you think **** isn't hitting the fan? Do you think it has anything to do with the entire city changing the way it has operated?


Sh*t isn't hitting the fan because the virus is running out of vulnerable people to kill and as long as we keep long term care facilities protected, the number of deaths will remain low. Why do you think even with the recent rise in virus cases, we haven't seen a corresponding rise in hospital cases for the virus? Maybe because many people getting infected now are mostly generally healthy and hence experience moderate to no symptoms and therefore don't require hospital care?

I mean Ontario has almost 3 million seniors living here and yet outside of long term care homes, only about 800 or so of those seniors have died. And again I'll say that in Japan there are 35 MILLION seniors and yet their number of deaths is still at 1,500 or so to date. Clearly the health of a population is much more important to low death rates than preventing the spread of the virus.

When the infections start turning into a dramatically high number of hospital cases and deaths then start worrying about the spread, but until then our leaders and supposed experts are overreacting over every little spike that doesn't result in more hospital cases and deaths which was the excuse for the first shutdown to begin with.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#327 » by mtcan » Sat Oct 3, 2020 3:34 pm

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mtcan wrote:It's not fear mongering if you yourself are afraid to get infected by a "minor virus" while talking **** on a message board. Numbers and talk mean ****.


No one wants the virus, but this is about understanding that the risk of getting the virus is low and if you're even halfway healthy your chances of dying from this virus is near zero. There's no absolute zero in anything and many things you do in life involves some level of risk of harm to yourself and yet you go and do it anyways. For example every single day millions of Canadians get in their cars and go driving even though they risk getting injured or killed, but why do they do it anyways? Because they realize that the risk of getting injured or killed is relatively low. No one would be driving if they had a 50/50 chance of dying each time they got behind the wheel would they?

Most people make the judgement that the activity of driving is low risk and therefore they have no problem going out and doing so daily. The same should apply to this virus which doesn't affect the vast majority of people in any significant way.

You don't want this virus because you just don't know if it ends up being a minor case or it takes you to the ICU and puts you on a ventilator. Old or young...it's happened to people of all ages. It's not like a common cold...a real "minor virus". I've known 20-something year olds and 30-something year olds who ended feeling really sick for over a month with covid. I've seen 30-something year old healthy people with covid in our ICU. Your numbers don't mean **** to these people.

I don't fear monger...but I respect the threat. That's an important distinction.


I NEVER said this was a 'minor virus', but its far from being a humanity ending virus and it doesn't warrant the severe damage to or even destroying of lives of millions of Canadians over a highly infectious but mostly non-lethal virus. People like you keep saying 'it affects people of all ages' and yet you continue to ignore the COLD, HARD, FACTS that show otherwise.

Look at the numbers here that show a whopping 297 people under the age of 60 IN ALL OF CANADA that have died of this virus to date. That's 3% of all virus deaths. A whole 2 PEOPLE UNDER THE AGE OF 20 HAVE DIED ALL THIS TIME. Tell me again that this virus affects everyone equally?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/public-health-agency-of-canada-covid-19-statistics-1.5733069

THESE are the facts that people like you who claim not to be fearmongering seem to ALWAYS never want to mention when you're making the argument that this virus requires the response that our politicians and medical experts are calling for rather than it being a gross overreaction.


It IS pointless when the virus so many people are afraid of mostly only kills the most sick and the weak. Compare that to the government response to this virus that affects THE ENTIRE POPULATION in a very bad way. If you're at least decently healthy the chances of you dying from the virus is extremely low. Heck the chances of you catching the virus to begin with is extremely low as well when if we're talking confirmed cases only 0.004% of Canada's 37 million population has gotten it. Even if you multiply that number by 10x to account for people who had the virus, but didn't know they had it that's still only 4% of Canada's population after all this time.

People are really losing their minds over a virus that you have a very low chance of getting to begin with and have a near zero chance of dying from? If THIS is the response to such a relatively minor virus, I can't imagine how completely destroyed the entire world will be if we actually get a virus or infection that truly does kill many people of all ages. Say goodbye to modern civilization in that case I guess.

Your words, bruh...not mine.

No one wants the virus but the chances are low? The chances of getting the virus with appropriate precautions and with public health measures applied are low...but everyone has to respect the threat and not down play it, unlike you.

I don't care that 2 people under 20 have died...but I do care that people in their 20s and 30s will get it and eventually spread it to others...and eventually it WILL find its way to the more vulnerable. This is the issue. **** 20 year olds that only care about themselves and can't see past themselves and their own wellbeing. Nursing homes are still experiencing outbreaks and it isn't the nursing home residents that are at those bars and restaurants catching it. It's through a chain of transmission. It's everyone's responsibility to break the chain of infection. That's really the point.
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Post#328 » by ItsDanger » Sat Oct 3, 2020 3:41 pm

Positive rate was about 1% late June, now its 1.5-1.75% (our daily testing has doubled since then). No idea if population demographics are similar. We still need to attempt to verify testing accuracy. I suggest re-testing all positives immediately after test result is initially confirmed. Listening to Dr. Eileen De Villa in Toronto press conference, I'd be very concerned if she had ANY influence in decision making.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#329 » by execoftheyear » Sat Oct 3, 2020 3:47 pm

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Clay Davis wrote:Why do you think **** isn't hitting the fan? Do you think it has anything to do with the entire city changing the way it has operated?


Sh*t isn't hitting the fan because the virus is running out of vulnerable people to kill and as long as we keep long term care facilities protected, the number of deaths will remain low. Why do you think even with the recent rise in virus cases, we haven't seen a corresponding rise in hospital cases for the virus? Maybe because many people getting infected now are mostly generally healthy and hence experience moderate to no symptoms and therefore don't require hospital care?

I mean Ontario has almost 3 million seniors living here and yet outside of long term care homes, only about 800 or so of those seniors have died. And again I'll say that in Japan there are 35 MILLION seniors and yet their number of deaths is still at 1,500 or so to date. Clearly the health of a population is much more important to low death rates than preventing the spread of the virus.

When the infections start turning into a dramatically high number of hospital cases and deaths then start worrying about the spread, but until then our leaders and supposed experts are overreacting over every little spike that doesn't result in more hospital cases and deaths which was the excuse for the first shutdown to begin with.


The big difference is people in Japan (and Asia in general) all wear masks out in public, it's not an issue over there and they take this seriously. They don't have anti-mask protests or covid-is-a-hoax believers. These types of people should be the ones to blame for the excessive measures. If the majority of people actually followed public guidelines and limited gatherings, then I think the government and experts would be more lax with their approach yet we still see anti-mask protesters/covid-is-a-hoax believers and we still have people throwing huge house parties. If the government can't trust people to follow simple guidelines then I'd say the ramping up of restrictions is totally warranted.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#330 » by GQStylin » Sat Oct 3, 2020 4:21 pm

mtcan wrote:People are really losing their minds over a virus that you have a very low chance of getting to begin with and have a near zero chance of dying from? If THIS is the response to such a relatively minor virus

Your words, bruh...not mine.


Ok my bad. Let me clarify by what I mean. I don't think covid is on the level of the flu as it is definitely more serious than that, but on the otherhand I don't believe the virus is serious enough to be worthy of all the panic and extreme measures we've taken in order to try fruitlessly to contain the spread even as all the data from around the world shows this virus to be largely non-lethal to the vast majority of people who get it. If this virus wasn't as infectious as it was, we wouldn't be shutting down anything over it all this time because of how non-lethal this virus is otherwise. That's pretty much the only thing remarkable about this virus.

No one wants the virus but the chances are low? The chances of getting the virus with appropriate precautions and with public health measures applied are low...but everyone has to respect the threat and not down play it, unlike you.


The Japanese haven't taken many precautions outside of mask wearing and perhaps washing hands. They certainly aren't going out of their way to social distance as you can plainly see in any video of Japan these days and yet despite having over 3 times the population of Canada and having 35 million seniors which is 2 million short of Canada's entire population, their number of deaths to date is still at 1,600. Somehow the Japanese government allowing their people to live mostly normal lives and not constantly keeping them in fear of the virus hasn't led to tens of thousands of deaths even among their huge senior population which are suppose to be the most vulnerable group to the virus.

And here's one for you, the Japanese authorities aren't even stopping people from having parties and concerts and such. There's literally a guy on Twitch who lives in Japan who livestreamed himself at a huge music festival yesterday with thousands of people and the Japanese authorities didn't go nuts and shut everything down worrying about virus spread. Funny how the country that allows its people to live mostly normally throughout the pandemic is the one that has a much lower number of deaths than Canada or practically every other nation that chose to shutdown.

I don't care that 2 people under 20 have died...but I do care that people in their 20s and 30s will get it and eventually spread it to others...and eventually it WILL find its way to the more vulnerable. This is the issue. **** 20 year olds that only care about themselves and can't see past themselves and their own wellbeing. Nursing homes are still experiencing outbreaks and it isn't the nursing home residents that are at those bars and restaurants catching it. It's through a chain of transmission. It's everyone's responsibility to break the chain of infection. That's really the point.


You can break that 'chain of transmission' easily without destroying people's lives and livelihoods by simply testing workers frequently and restricting and testing family members and friends before allowing them to visit. If things still get worse in those long term care homes, then you simply shutdown visits and isolate that facility. Done and done.

You don't need to bankrupt thousands of small businesses and place millions of Canadians in financial hardship to prevent the spread of the virus into long term care facilities. We want to save as many people as possible, but at some point the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and we've gone far past that point long ago.
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Post#331 » by GQStylin » Sat Oct 3, 2020 4:30 pm

execoftheyear wrote:The big difference is people in Japan (and Asia in general) all wear masks out in public, it's not an issue over there and they take this seriously. They don't have anti-mask protests or covid-is-a-hoax believers. These types of people should be the ones to blame for the excessive measures. If the majority of people actually followed public guidelines and limited gatherings, then I think the government and experts would be more lax with their approach yet we still see anti-mask protesters/covid-is-a-hoax believers and we still have people throwing huge house parties. If the government can't trust people to follow simple guidelines then I'd say the ramping up of restrictions is totally warranted.


I would say the majority of Japanese are wearing masks these days, but they certainly aren't fanatical with social distancing as we are here though. There's plenty of video of jam packed subways and buses and people walking on streets without worrying about staying 6 ft away from each other and Japanese authorities even allow some parties, concerts and other large gatherings without going nuts and cracking down on people.

So pretty much the only thing the Japanese people are doing better than us is largely having no problems with wearing masks in public and that's about it because they certainly aren't doing better than us when it comes to keeping apart from each other and being fanatical about enforcing the 6ft apart rule.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#332 » by execoftheyear » Sat Oct 3, 2020 5:22 pm

GQStylin wrote:
execoftheyear wrote:The big difference is people in Japan (and Asia in general) all wear masks out in public, it's not an issue over there and they take this seriously. They don't have anti-mask protests or covid-is-a-hoax believers. These types of people should be the ones to blame for the excessive measures. If the majority of people actually followed public guidelines and limited gatherings, then I think the government and experts would be more lax with their approach yet we still see anti-mask protesters/covid-is-a-hoax believers and we still have people throwing huge house parties. If the government can't trust people to follow simple guidelines then I'd say the ramping up of restrictions is totally warranted.


I would say the majority of Japanese are wearing masks these days, but they certainly aren't fanatical with social distancing as we are here though. There's plenty of video of jam packed subways and buses and people walking on streets without worrying about staying 6 ft away from each other and Japanese authorities even allow some parties, concerts and other large gatherings without going nuts and cracking down on people.

So pretty much the only thing the Japanese people are doing better than us is largely having no problems with wearing masks in public and that's about it because they certainly aren't doing better than us when it comes to keeping apart from each other and being fanatical about enforcing the 6ft apart rule.


Goes to show how effective masks are yet we still have idiots who think it's an "infringement on their freedom". Masks only work if majority use them and use them correctly otherwise you kind of have to rely on social distancing to compensate for people who can't follow this simple solution.

I'd say the biggest mistake our government made was lying about how masks don't work because of the mask shortage for health care workers. When you suddenly flip the other direction and say the opposite, of course you're going to lose the trust from people. Now we have idiots spreading misinformation about how masks can cause carbon dioxide poisoning or how they are used as muzzles to control people and other stupid excuses to avoid wearing them. People are using fake face mask medical exemptions to avoid wearing masks. Meanwhile in Japan, I don't think this exists when it comes to wearing a mask.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#333 » by mtcan » Sat Oct 3, 2020 5:52 pm

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mtcan wrote:People are really losing their minds over a virus that you have a very low chance of getting to begin with and have a near zero chance of dying from? If THIS is the response to such a relatively minor virus

Your words, bruh...not mine.


Ok my bad. Let me clarify by what I mean. I don't think covid is on the level of the flu as it is definitely more serious than that, but on the otherhand I don't believe the virus is serious enough to be worthy of all the panic and extreme measures we've taken in order to try fruitlessly to contain the spread even as all the data from around the world shows this virus to be largely non-lethal to the vast majority of people who get it. If this virus wasn't as infectious as it was, we wouldn't be shutting down anything over it all this time because of how non-lethal this virus is otherwise. That's pretty much the only thing remarkable about this virus.

You can break that 'chain of transmission' easily without destroying people's lives and livelihoods by simply testing workers frequently and restricting and testing family members and friends before allowing them to visit. If things still get worse in those long term care homes, then you simply shutdown visits and isolate that facility. Done and done.

You don't need to bankrupt thousands of small businesses and place millions of Canadians in financial hardship to prevent the spread of the virus into long term care facilities. We want to save as many people as possible, but at some point the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and we've gone far past that point long ago.

Largely non-lethal? 1 million+ people worldwide have died in 7 months. I know you're just going to downplay the number because there are a few billion people in the world but you are grossly oversimplifying things. There's no need for that. 1 million people is still a lot of people...and it would mean even more to you if it were you or one of your loved ones who died.

And your idea of just isolating long term care homes and everyone else going on with their lives? Once again...oversimplifying things.

1) How do you think people in nursing homes and long term care facilities got covid? It got brought in from the outside world. Where in the outside world? Family gatherings, restaurants, weddings in banquet halls. How else did these people get it? Infected staff members who live outside of these institutions. Yes...nurses, PSWs, janitors and administrative staff at these facilities are able to contract the virus and bring it into these institutions...so how do you isolate these people? And where can these people get the virus? Family gatherings, restaurants, weddings in banquet halls, grocery stores, malls, etc. The more people in the population walking around with the virus...the greater the risk that these people will get the virus then take it to the nursing homes and infect the vulnerable. This is how transmission occurs. And a big reason why nursing homes ended being is horrible shape a few months ago: the staff at the long term care facilities and nursing homes got sick and these facilities were horribly understaffed. Yes...the 20something year old nurses or 40something year old personal support workers can get sick and while they may not die...their absences puts a huge strain on the system...and people die from lack of viable bodies to take care of them. So no...it's not enough to isolate the nursing homes/long term care facilities because people from the outside world need to go in and take care of the residents...so those people need to be protected as well. How to protect them? By keeping covid numbers in the community LOW.

2) Guess what...seniors and vulnerable people don't just live in nursing homes and long term care facilities. That is just a portion of the vulnerable population overall. I'd say the majority of the vulnerable population live outside those institutions...and most likely live in their own homes where they still have to interact with the outside world. Some of the vulnerable in the outside world live alone...some live in a house with several generations of family including the 20 year old grand kids who do stupid things to put their grandparents' lives at risk. If the outside world is full of people walking around either knowingly or unknowingly with this virus...at the grocery store, at the bank, at work, etc...these vulnerable people are suddenly at risk. The idea is to minimize the number of people walking around with the virus to protect these vulnerable people...and everyone else.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#335 » by DaFroMan » Sat Oct 3, 2020 7:17 pm

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I'd say the biggest mistake our government made was lying about how masks don't work because of the mask shortage for health care workers. When you suddenly flip the other direction and say the opposite, of course you're going to lose the trust from people. Now we have idiots spreading misinformation about how masks can cause carbon dioxide poisoning or how they are used as muzzles to control people and other stupid excuses to avoid wearing them. People are using fake face mask medical exemptions to avoid wearing masks. Meanwhile in Japan, I don't think this exists when it comes to wearing a mask.
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Anyone that wears an N95 for work knows those things are difficult to breath in and you can totally get how those could stop or lessen the chances of getting a virus. The government comming out of the gate stating they just give you a false sense of security and wont stop the virus was a major mistep to me. If a government backtracks on something so important like wearkng masks then dont be upset when you get people questioning things later on or telling you to pound salt.

Once they turned around and basically said you HAVE to wear a mask that's when my mindset changed.. im not a sheep you can just hurd and tell me what to do and when to do it and I have to comply. Espcially when your guidelines for compliance are flawed. Wear a mask to a table but once you sit down your in some sort of protective bubble? Some how you being with your social circle up to a certain person amount is ok? realistically you should be wearing a mask non stop when somewhere distancing just isnt possible and when hanging out with anyone that doesn't live with you.

Is the virus real? Yes... is it super deadly? Yea if your old or have health conditions... even if your younger will the virus cause issues throughout life? Possibly..we will have to see down the road.

At this point this virus has become another thing to me like driving on the highway to and from work or my job which is working with live electricity...covid is just another necessary risk for me that I have to live with to go about my day and make money to survive. I won't live in fear of it anymore or be ridiculed for not giving two **** about the hypothetical person im going to spread it to and kill.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(732 new cases 10/2, pg 15) 

Post#336 » by raptorstime » Sat Oct 3, 2020 7:59 pm

My work is forcing a mandatory screening every morning now. Is this happening with you guys as well?
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#337 » by Local_NG_Idiot » Sat Oct 3, 2020 8:34 pm

GQStylin wrote:When the infections start turning into a dramatically high number of hospital cases and deaths then start worrying about the spread, but until then our leaders and supposed experts are overreacting over every little spike that doesn't result in more hospital cases and deaths which was the excuse for the first shutdown to begin with.


bold: so you want a whole bunch of people to die before we actually take action? that's been tried in other areas of the world, didn't work out well.

I'll stick to a pro-active approach that has kept our provinces at the lower #s we've seen over a reactive response where mass graves are being dug and funeral homes are turning away bodies.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#338 » by First Step » Sat Oct 3, 2020 9:13 pm

mtcan wrote:
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mtcan wrote:DO IT. Otherwise, shut up because you clearly don't trust your own BS.


How about simply LOOKING AT THE FACTS AND STATISTICS that are available everywhere that proves you wrong instead of having your emotions cloud your judgement for a change? :noway: Unless you truly believe the facts are wrong and you're right, then stop fearmongering and being part of the problem of spreading unnecessary panic.

It's not fear mongering if you yourself are afraid to get infected by a "minor virus" while talking **** on a message board. Numbers and talk mean ****.

You don't want this virus because you just don't know if it ends up being a minor case or it takes you to the ICU and puts you on a ventilator. Old or young...it's happened to people of all ages. It's not like a common cold...a real "minor virus". I've known 20-something year olds and 30-something year olds who ended feeling really sick for over a month with covid. I've seen 30-something year old healthy people with covid in our ICU. Your numbers don't mean **** to these people.

I don't fear monger...but I respect the threat. That's an important distinction.

Actually, that's exactly what you did. You provided anecdotal evidence instead of providing actual data on "20-something year olds and 30-something year olds".
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#339 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Oct 3, 2020 9:14 pm

execoftheyear wrote:
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execoftheyear wrote:The big difference is people in Japan (and Asia in general) all wear masks out in public, it's not an issue over there and they take this seriously. They don't have anti-mask protests or covid-is-a-hoax believers. These types of people should be the ones to blame for the excessive measures. If the majority of people actually followed public guidelines and limited gatherings, then I think the government and experts would be more lax with their approach yet we still see anti-mask protesters/covid-is-a-hoax believers and we still have people throwing huge house parties. If the government can't trust people to follow simple guidelines then I'd say the ramping up of restrictions is totally warranted.


I would say the majority of Japanese are wearing masks these days, but they certainly aren't fanatical with social distancing as we are here though. There's plenty of video of jam packed subways and buses and people walking on streets without worrying about staying 6 ft away from each other and Japanese authorities even allow some parties, concerts and other large gatherings without going nuts and cracking down on people.

So pretty much the only thing the Japanese people are doing better than us is largely having no problems with wearing masks in public and that's about it because they certainly aren't doing better than us when it comes to keeping apart from each other and being fanatical about enforcing the 6ft apart rule.


Goes to show how effective masks are yet we still have idiots who think it's an "infringement on their freedom". Masks only work if majority use them and use them correctly otherwise you kind of have to rely on social distancing to compensate for people who can't follow this simple solution.

I'd say the biggest mistake our government made was lying about how masks don't work because of the mask shortage for health care workers. When you suddenly flip the other direction and say the opposite, of course you're going to lose the trust from people. Now we have idiots spreading misinformation about how masks can cause carbon dioxide poisoning or how they are used as muzzles to control people and other stupid excuses to avoid wearing them. People are using fake face mask medical exemptions to avoid wearing masks. Meanwhile in Japan, I don't think this exists when it comes to wearing a mask.


I still think it was incredibly irresponsible that they lied about it. They should have simply diverted all PPE stock to hospitals until they could increase manufacturing capacity. There was no need to say masks don't work. That gave the conspiracy theorists all the ammo they'd need to push their agenda.

I'm going to go ahead and guess that it was a politically-motivated decision as no party wanted to admit they didn't prepare their country/province for a pandemic.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(625 new cases 9/30) 

Post#340 » by mtcan » Sat Oct 3, 2020 9:26 pm

First Step wrote:
mtcan wrote:
GQStylin wrote:
How about simply LOOKING AT THE FACTS AND STATISTICS that are available everywhere that proves you wrong instead of having your emotions cloud your judgement for a change? :noway: Unless you truly believe the facts are wrong and you're right, then stop fearmongering and being part of the problem of spreading unnecessary panic.

It's not fear mongering if you yourself are afraid to get infected by a "minor virus" while talking **** on a message board. Numbers and talk mean ****.

You don't want this virus because you just don't know if it ends up being a minor case or it takes you to the ICU and puts you on a ventilator. Old or young...it's happened to people of all ages. It's not like a common cold...a real "minor virus". I've known 20-something year olds and 30-something year olds who ended feeling really sick for over a month with covid. I've seen 30-something year old healthy people with covid in our ICU. Your numbers don't mean **** to these people.

I don't fear monger...but I respect the threat. That's an important distinction.

Actually, that's exactly what you did. You provided anecdotal evidence instead of providing actual data on "20-something year olds and 30-something year olds".

I'm telling you that it has happened to people I know or have seen in the ICU at my the hospital I work in. Should I not tell the truth? Should I candy-coat it? There is a difference between fear mongering and just stating a fact.

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