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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#401 » by Mr B » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:54 pm

boogiezen wrote:Realistically if given the chance I would go after Grant.

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Grant
KP

Brunson/Burke
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Maxi
Powell
Bobi

And possibly sign another veteran forward who can give you solid minutes.

Maybe trade 18th and 31 pick + Wright & Jackson.

If they sign a wing in FA I would definitely want either Grant or Crowder.


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Post#402 » by Mr B » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:00 pm

arkuo wrote:I'd expect them to continue talks with Orlando for Aaron Gordon. Same talks that got stalled right through the trade deadline.

I could definitely see that. I wonder what Orlando is going to do with Bamba? They’re not letting Isaac go but do they continue to groom Bamba or can he also be had.

I also suspect that the Mavs will talk to Dragic to see if he’d be willing to sign a 1 year deal with the Mavs. That would open up the possibility of then trading Brunson.


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Post#403 » by HMFFL » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:44 am

Dallas Mavericks: Jerami Grant to become free agent https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesmokingcuban.com/2020/09/28/dallas-mavericks-jerami-grant-fa/amp/


Jerami Grant expected to opt out of contract, source says, could command $16 million annually https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/27/nuggets-jerami-grant-opt-out/amp/





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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#404 » by arkuo » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:22 pm

HMFFL wrote:Dallas Mavericks: Jerami Grant to become free agent https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesmokingcuban.com/2020/09/28/dallas-mavericks-jerami-grant-fa/amp/


Jerami Grant expected to opt out of contract, source says, could command $16 million annually https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/27/nuggets-jerami-grant-opt-out/amp/



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Maybe there are sign and trade options? Im assuming Denver also wont re-sign Milsap long term too. He's 34. That leaves a gaping hole at PF for them.

Maybe S&T Dwight Powell + Justin Jackson + 31 for A resigned Jerami Grant at $16M per?
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Post#405 » by arkuo » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:59 am

It will be safe to assume that if Dallas manages to sign Giannis, they will also have to sign Thanasis in 2021 as a concession. There's your version of Marcus Morris. With less skill though. Just need a roster spot for him too.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#406 » by Mr B » Fri Oct 2, 2020 4:26 pm

arkuo wrote:It will be safe to assume that if Dallas manages to sign Giannis, they will also have to sign Thanasis in 2021 as a concession. There's your version of Marcus Morris. With less skill though. Just need a roster spot for him too.

I don’t think a roster spot will be a problem. This team is going to look much different after 2021 FA. Honestly Luka and KP my be the one two guys still on the roster then compared to who’s on the roster now.


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Post#407 » by HMFFL » Sat Oct 3, 2020 2:34 pm

We better hope Kostas Antetokounmpo only had good things to say about Cuban and company because that can easily be a deal breaker if he didn't.
Regardless, Luka will need to recruit, since he's already the key piece.

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Post#408 » by HMFFL » Sat Oct 3, 2020 3:33 pm

Buddy has seemed to want out ever since signing his contract extension. Below are his contract numbers beginning next season. Any interest?

I have said no thanks to him once or twice on here this year but it would come down to what it takes to acquire him.

I feel believe the Lakers will pursue him this off-season. Just going with a hunch.

2020-21: $26,431,817
2021-22: $24,477,27
22022-23: $22,522,728
2023-24: $20,568,183
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Disgruntled Buddy Hield has stopped answering Luke Walton's phone calls


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Post#409 » by arkuo » Sat Oct 3, 2020 5:57 pm

HMFFL wrote:We better hope Kostas Antetokounmpo only had good things to say about Cuban and company because that can easily be a deal breaker if he didn't.
Regardless, Luka will need to recruit, since he's already the key piece.

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Miami winning it all this year would have made Dallas a better option as Giannis would be joining an already champion team in Miami. The optics would be the same as KD joining Golden State.

That being said, it comes down to the Mavs recruitment and Miami with Riley and his box of rings. Luka, KP, Cuban, Donnie and Carlisle all need to join that meeting. Even Dirk needs to see him if that's what it takes.
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Post#410 » by Mr B » Sat Oct 3, 2020 6:11 pm

HMFFL wrote:We better hope Kostas Antetokounmpo only had good things to say about Cuban and company because that can easily be a deal breaker if he didn't.
Regardless, Luka will need to recruit, since he's already the key piece.

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Well they did release him (at his request) when they really didn’t have to. If I remember correctly he wanted more time on the court but Maxi was just out playing him. He wanted to go find a team where he would get more minutes so the Mavs let him go. Also based on his IG account he got along great with everyone on the team, he just wanted more minutes.


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Post#411 » by HMFFL » Sat Oct 3, 2020 6:13 pm

arkuo wrote:
HMFFL wrote:We better hope Kostas Antetokounmpo only had good things to say about Cuban and company because that can easily be a deal breaker if he didn't.
Regardless, Luka will need to recruit, since he's already the key piece.

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Miami winning it all this year would have made Dallas a better option as Giannis would be joining an already champion team in Miami. The optics would be the same as KD joining Golden State.

That being said, it comes down to the Mavs recruitment and Miami with Riley and his box of rings. Luka, KP, Cuban, Donnie and Carlisle all need to join that meeting. Even Dirk needs to see him if that's what it takes.


Joining Miami like KD joined Golden isn't a good comparison.

Luka and KP are key during the off-season and recruiting during the season. Giannis turned down Lebron in the past to workout with him during the off season and to play pickup games. I hope Luka makes an attempt but without the public knowing.

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Post#412 » by Teffer10 » Sat Oct 3, 2020 7:37 pm

arkuo wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Dallas Mavericks: Jerami Grant to become free agent https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesmokingcuban.com/2020/09/28/dallas-mavericks-jerami-grant-fa/amp/


Jerami Grant expected to opt out of contract, source says, could command $16 million annually https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/27/nuggets-jerami-grant-opt-out/amp/



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Maybe there are sign and trade options? Im assuming Denver also wont re-sign Milsap long term too. He's 34. That leaves a gaping hole at PF for them.

Maybe S&T Dwight Powell + Justin Jackson + 31 for A resigned Jerami Grant at $16M per?

I don't see Denver wanting Powell but they might bite if Maxi is subbed for him.

I still think the Mavs would have a nice solid balanced deep team if they could sign Grant and trade for JRich with Seth as the main piece. Re-sign Burke and draft Terry and Poku and this team is set for a hell of a long time imo. There is no way in hell Donnie passes on Poku at #31 if he is still there but if he isn't then take Paul Reed.

Luka/Brunson/Burke
Richardson/Terry/Reaves
THJ/DFS/Wright
Grant/Maxi/Poku or Reed
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Post#413 » by JJP » Sat Oct 3, 2020 8:10 pm

While I like Grant, I suspect the Mavs are much more likely to sign someone like Millsap in Free Agency or trade for Thaddeus Young. These signings are less risky and allow for a lot of flexibility during the 2021 trade deadline and again at the 2021 Free Agency,
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Post#414 » by Teffer10 » Sat Oct 3, 2020 8:21 pm

JJP wrote:While I like Grant, I suspect the Mavs are much more likely to sign someone like Millsap in Free Agency or trade for Thaddeus Young. These signings are less risky and allow for a lot of flexibility during the 2021 trade deadline and again at the 2021 Free Agency,

I agree the Mavs would probably do something like that and I'm not all that opposed to keeping the powder dry for Giannis. However, I think that strategy could backfire and we'd go down the same path with Luka as the Cavs did with LeBron during his first time with them.
We don't necessarily need another superstar caliber player on this team to be legit championship contenders imo. If we can build a solid and balanced young core to go with Luka and KP, we should gradually become an extremely good team as Luka develops into his prime.
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Post#415 » by JD45 » Sat Oct 3, 2020 8:57 pm

Porzingis is likely a key part of any Giannis recruiting. Obviously he would need to want to play with another top 5 player, but he seems to already have a friendship with Porzingis that would give him comfort he would fit in well with the personalities.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/15817579/giannis-antetokounmpo-brother-thanasis-antetokounmpo-kristaps-porzingis-play-streetball-athens

I assume there is a lot more to it than just that game. Porzingis didn't just randomly walk by in Greece when they were setting up that game.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#416 » by JJP » Sat Oct 3, 2020 11:47 pm

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JJP wrote:While I like Grant, I suspect the Mavs are much more likely to sign someone like Millsap in Free Agency or trade for Thaddeus Young. These signings are less risky and allow for a lot of flexibility during the 2021 trade deadline and again at the 2021 Free Agency,

I agree the Mavs would probably do something like that and I'm not all that opposed to keeping the powder dry for Giannis. However, I think that strategy could backfire and we'd go down the same path with Luka as the Cavs did with LeBron during his first time with them.
We don't necessarily need another superstar caliber player on this team to be legit championship contenders imo. If we can build a solid and balanced young core to go with Luka and KP, we should gradually become an extremely good team as Luka develops into his prime.


I agree. I would think the Mavs will largely be opportunists whether it's this off-season or next season. It's just that I don't see as many opportunities during this free agency period.

I feel as if I don't want to be strapped with misfit toys (and misfit contracts). For instance the Buddy Heidl idea is probably a bad one in terms of contract and need. That's not a player that substantially moves the needle for the Mavs for the value paid out. It's likely the same with Oladipo - although there are better reasons to do that deal than Heidl. In the end, waiting a bit longer may be the better idea.
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Post#417 » by Teffer10 » Sun Oct 4, 2020 12:28 am

JJP wrote:
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JJP wrote:While I like Grant, I suspect the Mavs are much more likely to sign someone like Millsap in Free Agency or trade for Thaddeus Young. These signings are less risky and allow for a lot of flexibility during the 2021 trade deadline and again at the 2021 Free Agency,

I agree the Mavs would probably do something like that and I'm not all that opposed to keeping the powder dry for Giannis. However, I think that strategy could backfire and we'd go down the same path with Luka as the Cavs did with LeBron during his first time with them.
We don't necessarily need another superstar caliber player on this team to be legit championship contenders imo. If we can build a solid and balanced young core to go with Luka and KP, we should gradually become an extremely good team as Luka develops into his prime.


I agree. I would think the Mavs will largely be opportunists whether it's this off-season or next season. It's just that I don't see as many opportunities during this free agency period.

I feel as if I don't want to be strapped with misfit toys (and misfit contracts). For instance the Buddy Heidl idea is probably a bad one in terms of contract and need. That's not a player that substantially moves the needle for the Mavs for the value paid out. It's likely the same with Oladipo - although there are better reasons to do that deal than Heidl. In the end, waiting a bit longer may be the better idea.

The way I see it the Mavs top priority right now should be to keep Luka happy and the best way to do that is to put together a roster that not only can compete now with him as the leader, but one that has a long-term future that he can lead.
I'm not super crazy about adding anyone of any significance to this roster that is over 30 but like you I don't want to limit our ability to land bigger fish because of limited cap space. Not a Buddy Heild fan at all and VO would probably be another major injury concern and we seem to have enough of them.

When you consider our current situation of a 21 yo superstar that is 4 years from his prime, nice young sidekick, decent supporting cast, 2 decent draft picks, a great coach and solid organization, we only seem to be a few pieces away of becoming a contender. I'd be ecstatic if we somehow landed Giannis but honestly I just think we need more balance in our SL and frankly just need to mature and develop as a team.
I still think adding Grant and Richardson, keeping Burke, and hitting on at least one of our two draft picks, would keep Luka happy and most importantly here for a long time.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Strategy Thread 

Post#418 » by Mr B » Sun Oct 4, 2020 1:23 am

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arkuo wrote:
HMFFL wrote:We better hope Kostas Antetokounmpo only had good things to say about Cuban and company because that can easily be a deal breaker if he didn't.
Regardless, Luka will need to recruit, since he's already the key piece.

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Miami winning it all this year would have made Dallas a better option as Giannis would be joining an already champion team in Miami. The optics would be the same as KD joining Golden State.

That being said, it comes down to the Mavs recruitment and Miami with Riley and his box of rings. Luka, KP, Cuban, Donnie and Carlisle all need to join that meeting. Even Dirk needs to see him if that's what it takes.


Joining Miami like KD joined Golden isn't a good comparison.

Luka and KP are key during the off-season and recruiting during the season. Giannis turned down Lebron in the past to workout with him during the off season and to play pickup games. I hope Luka makes an attempt but without the public knowing.

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I agree that it will be huge if Luka and KP get involved in recruiting. For whatever reason Dirk never got involved on that side. That may have been part of the reason they have had such a hard time getting players to sign in Dallas?


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Post#419 » by Paija » Sun Oct 4, 2020 12:44 pm

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arkuo wrote:
Miami winning it all this year would have made Dallas a better option as Giannis would be joining an already champion team in Miami. The optics would be the same as KD joining Golden State.

That being said, it comes down to the Mavs recruitment and Miami with Riley and his box of rings. Luka, KP, Cuban, Donnie and Carlisle all need to join that meeting. Even Dirk needs to see him if that's what it takes.


Joining Miami like KD joined Golden isn't a good comparison.

Luka and KP are key during the off-season and recruiting during the season. Giannis turned down Lebron in the past to workout with him during the off season and to play pickup games. I hope Luka makes an attempt but without the public knowing.

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I agree that it will be huge if Luka and KP get involved in recruiting. For whatever reason Dirk never got involved on that side. That may have been part of the reason they have had such a hard time getting players to sign in Dallas?


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They must include Boban in recruiting team :)
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Post#420 » by arkuo » Sun Oct 4, 2020 1:24 pm

Mr B wrote: For whatever reason Dirk never got involved on that side. That may have been part of the reason they have had such a hard time getting players to sign in Dallas?


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Yeah. Dirk was always an introverted type. He left the recruiting part to Donnie and Cuban. And to be honest, I'm assuming that was also a huge part why the other players chose other destinations.

Since Luka and KP are more "modern" than Dirk, being active on social media and video games and all, I'd like to believe those two can hold their end up when it comes to recruitment.

On a side note, KP tore his ACL on a putback dunk on Giannis, if my memory serves me right. Hope that does not get in the way of anything.

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