Hayward and 14 for 6

NYG · Post #1 » by **NYG** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 2:07 am

Gordon Hayward and 14th Overall for 6th Overall

Hawks get a player who isn’t really out there in free agency by using their cap space in trade and moving down in a somewhat lateral draft.

The Celtics suddenly create a ton of financial flexibility and would be able to use the non-tax MLE while adding an Onyeka Okongwu type to their young core at 6.

kuclas · Post #2 » by **kuclas** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 2:12 am

Better make that Hayward 14 and next year top 10 protected 1st from Boston to move up to 6

Hayward is one and done after this year so he is a rental and you are saving Boston from the luxury tax. They need to do more than just the 14 and Hayward.

Post #3 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 2:12 am

Hawks fans balked at getting him for just cap space in a Hartford deal this week so can't imagine they will like trading back for him.

I still love the idea of him in Atlanta for a year, but I really think it needs a 3rd team to send win now talent to Boston and I don't see Atlanta paying this price.

jayu70 · Post #4 » by **jayu70** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 2:27 am

This doesn't work. I don't think the Hawks want to trade down out of the top 10, use up all their capspace on a player on a 1 year contract for a lesser pick.
Pass.

jayjaysee · Post #5 » by **jayjaysee** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 2:33 am

I don’t think Hayward on his contract has the value of a 9-10ish pick.. which is what I think the gap is here.

Think Atlanta passes pretty easily here and I don’t think Boston adding a late first will change anything. Around Smart would be the name Atlanta says when 6 is brought up IMO.

Maybe a 2021 lotto protected first for Hayward? I don’t think that will go over well. And would probably need to be a three team deal. Eh.

vxmike · Post #6 » by **vxmike** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 2:36 am

Hayward is an overpaid expiring deal. No way anyone is giving up draft value to get him.

patman66 · Post #7 » by **patman66** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 2:38 am

Doesn't make sense for the hawks at that price. If their choices are gone at 6, I would think they would want us to take dedmon back to clear 13mill or about 1/3rd of Hayward. Hayward at the cost of 21mill is diff than Hayward at the cost of 34. the stars would have to be in align for it to make sense, but it does free up tre to move without the ball.

Or something huge like Smart, Theis and Hayward going out and cappela + coming back. Atlanta rolls with Dedmon/Theis
---Reddish/Collins-Hunter-Hayward- Huerter-smart-Tre minus who the celts pick not collins

giberish · Post #8 » by **giberish** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 3:05 am

Hayward at $34M isn't an asset. A team should be getting incentive for taking his full contract, especially this offseason. Probably not that much incentive but at least a little (like #26 or #30).

Of course for Boston, even if they're looking to cut salary they don't need to move all $34M. Though perhaps as part of a 3 or 4 team deal where Boston get a $20M player (or players) back from another team that's looking to save money.

NYG · Post #9 » by **NYG** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 3:35 am

Does adding Dedmon and 26 make this better?

Hayward, 14 and 26 for Dedmon and 6?

jscott · Post #10 » by **jscott** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 3:42 am

I think you’re going the wrong way with this. Probably more like Hayward and 14 for cap space/TPE (if you’re lucky).

raleigh · Post #11 » by **raleigh** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 11:06 am

I'm curious what people think Hayward will get in free agency after this coming season. Technically, under-the-cap teams can renegotiate contracts...

Post #12 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 11:12 am

raleigh wrote:I'm curious what people think Hayward will get in free agency after this coming season. Technically, under-the-cap teams can renegotiate contracts...

You cannot lower a player's salary, just raise it (and not past max contract limits).

Post #13 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 11:13 am

I have Hayward neutral value.
This has him pretty positive.

Buzzard · Post #14 » by **Buzzard** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 11:16 am

raleigh wrote:I'm curious what people think Hayward will get in free agency after this coming season. Technically, under-the-cap teams can renegotiate contracts...

It really depends on how badly Hayward is needed. The Lakers, if they don't sign anyone long term and can move off of Kuzma, could offer him 25 million starting. The Pacers can offer a similar amount if Oladipo walks and they make a move or two.

Boston and anyone who trades for him worry is not just how much he wants; I think its also the offers and more attractive potential of other destinations.

I doubt the Hawks give up straight cap for him; they have to many holes to fill.

Buzzard · Post #15 » by **Buzzard** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 11:25 am

vxmike wrote:Hayward is an overpaid expiring deal. No way anyone is giving up draft value to get him.

He is over paid. Bertans or Harris can probably be had for half what you are paying Hayward. They may not be better than him; but if the Celtics could get both players for Hayward, Ainge could not get the paper work done fast enough.

Buzzard · Post #16 » by **Buzzard** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 11:33 am

patman66 wrote:Doesn't make sense for the hawks at that price. If their choices are gone at 6, I would think they would want us to take dedmon back to clear 13mill or about 1/3rd of Hayward. Hayward at the cost of 21mill is diff than Hayward at the cost of 34. the stars would have to be in align for it to make sense, but it does free up tre to move without the ball.

Or something huge like Smart, Theis and Hayward going out and cappela + coming back. Atlanta rolls with Dedmon/Theis
---Reddish/Collins-Hunter-Hayward- Huerter-smart-Tre minus who the celts pick not collins

The Hawks are not worried about Dedmon's 13.3 in 2020 and the 1 million in 2021. They honestly need Dedmon with no other 100% healthy backup behind Capela.

I think Smart is a player the Hawks value. 6 for 14 and Smart would get something done. I see zero value with Hayward for the Hawks. He is 35 million dollar cap place holder. They can do better in free agency for overall value.

raleigh · Post #17 » by **raleigh** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 12:25 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
raleigh wrote:I'm curious what people think Hayward will get in free agency after this coming season. Technically, under-the-cap teams can renegotiate contracts...

You cannot lower a player's salary, just raise it (and not past max contract limits).

You're right. I had the Nick Collison thing in reverse in my mind.

brutalitops · Post #18 » by **brutalitops** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 12:26 pm

Drop 8 places for an expiring contract?

Or. They could keep 6 and have that space

LOOOOOLLLL

Post #19 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 12:28 pm

Buzzard wrote:
patman66 wrote:Doesn't make sense for the hawks at that price. If their choices are gone at 6, I would think they would want us to take dedmon back to clear 13mill or about 1/3rd of Hayward. Hayward at the cost of 21mill is diff than Hayward at the cost of 34. the stars would have to be in align for it to make sense, but it does free up tre to move without the ball.

Or something huge like Smart, Theis and Hayward going out and cappela + coming back. Atlanta rolls with Dedmon/Theis
---Reddish/Collins-Hunter-Hayward- Huerter-smart-Tre minus who the celts pick not collins

The Hawks are not worried about Dedmon's 13.3 in 2020 and the 1 million in 2021. They honestly need Dedmon with no other 100% healthy backup behind Capela.

I think Smart is a player the Hawks value. 6 for 14 and Smart would get something done. I see zero value with Hayward for the Hawks. He is 35 million dollar cap place holder. They can do better in free agency for overall value.

I dont think the Celtics would trade Smart straight up for 6, let alone add 14. They pass, quickly.

Buzzard · Post #20 » by **Buzzard** » Sun Oct 4, 2020 12:37 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
patman66 wrote:Doesn't make sense for the hawks at that price. If their choices are gone at 6, I would think they would want us to take dedmon back to clear 13mill or about 1/3rd of Hayward. Hayward at the cost of 21mill is diff than Hayward at the cost of 34. the stars would have to be in align for it to make sense, but it does free up tre to move without the ball.

Or something huge like Smart, Theis and Hayward going out and cappela + coming back. Atlanta rolls with Dedmon/Theis
---Reddish/Collins-Hunter-Hayward- Huerter-smart-Tre minus who the celts pick not collins

The Hawks are not worried about Dedmon's 13.3 in 2020 and the 1 million in 2021. They honestly need Dedmon with no other 100% healthy backup behind Capela.

I think Smart is a player the Hawks value. 6 for 14 and Smart would get something done. I see zero value with Hayward for the Hawks. He is 35 million dollar cap place holder. They can do better in free agency for overall value.

I dont think the Celtics would trade Smart straight up for 6, let alone add 14. They pass, quickly.

I agree. Smart stays, 14 is made and the others may be sold, Boston runs it out another season hoping Hayward can play a full season.

Expiring contracts are almost always more valuable to the team that owns them. It is why only one out of every ten to twenty get moved.