Yupagiaco wrote:Gotta replace Horford with a guard.
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Yupagiaco wrote:Gotta replace Horford with a guard.
76ciology wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Really not sure where you are hearing that stuff about Embiid not wanting Lue. That is pure speculation. Again, Lue is not associated with clutch so I don't get why you think he'll prefer Simmons.76ciology wrote:Lue adjusts better, from what Ive read.
But if I have to between between Lue or Doc on who will get Biid and Ben to get scared straight, it will be Doc.
And from the grapevine, it sounds like Embiid will throw a tantrum 2.0 if we ever hire Lue.
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https://thepaintedlines.com/glenn-doc-rivers-inside-the-hiring/?amp#click=https://t.co/eUWTZ0JhZOStar center Joel Embiid was opposed to the idea of Lue coaching the team, according to league sources familiar with the situation. Sources said that Embiid felt that Lue was adjacent to Klutch Sports and was ‘resistant’ to the prospect of someone with a pre-existing relationship with Ben Simmons coaching the team.
Meanwhile, Simmons had advocated for Lue. League sources told The Painted Lines’ Brian Jacobs that Lue had been their primary choice since deliberation about coaching changes began.
The earlier source I had for Lue to Sixers was from Ben’s camp also btw. Then this also explains why Embiid wanted MDA (LOL).
In the end, it’s all good since Biid looks happy that we hired Doc Rivers. We just need to get him happy
Phila Tough wrote:I'm really looking forward to seeing how Tobias will look under him.
youngcrev wrote:Ben can play the Bam/Draymond role (and I think that's a good way to utilize him), but we don't have any good movement shooters at the moment. Worked great with JJ.
Skates wrote:I love reading posts by folks who claim one coach or another is going to come in and scare, intimidate, put Simmons and/or Embiid in their place, etc, etc. As if these guys are scrubs worried about getting cut or earning their next paycheck. Both need to grow and learn and adjust their mindsets in different ways, but the coach who can do that has to be someone who gains their respect without being too soft or overbearing. Someone who can convince them that there is a cogent plan to succeed, that each plays an integral part in it and can get them each to buy into wanting to be more, to be different, to sacrifice in some places and advance in others. Just stop with the "he's going to lay down the law" or "put player X in his place", we are talking about guys who have both made All-NBA teams, have monster, long term guaranteed contracts and if they wanted out would have plenty of other teams ready and willing to take on building around or working in their unique talents. This isn't High School or even college, that kind of mind set won't work and these two might just be at that stage in their careers where they have had some individual accolades, but hunger for team success. If Doc Rivers can be the guy that lays out that plan, reaches them, matures their games and mindsets and doesn't pigeon-hole either unique talent into something some other player did once for some other team, he will be successful and the rest is up to the FO to give them the rest of the tools to finish the job.
76ciology wrote:youngcrev wrote:Ben can play the Bam/Draymond role (and I think that's a good way to utilize him), but we don't have any good movement shooters at the moment. Worked great with JJ.
This offense is almost in line with what we have.
Tobi and Milton can play that Herro-Robinson role, while Ben and Biid can play that Butler and Bam’s role. Even Al would be perfect for that Bam role. Then you can just find a cheap PG like Teague (if you can find someone better then it’s fine) to play Dragic’s role. Where he can run some pick and rolls and some spot up.
This way you dont have to overpay for CP3 or risk hurting Ben’s fragile ego. If you can get Hield then let him play Herro’s role, then it would be better.
Take it with a grain of salt. You guys may have better ideas. Just throwing it out as one of the examples of the things we can do.
Skates wrote:I love reading posts by folks who claim one coach or another is going to come in and scare, intimidate, put Simmons and/or Embiid in their place, etc, etc. As if these guys are scrubs worried about getting cut or earning their next paycheck. Both need to grow and learn and adjust their mindsets in different ways, but the coach who can do that has to be someone who gains their respect without being too soft or overbearing. Someone who can convince them that there is a cogent plan to succeed, that each plays an integral part in it and can get them each to buy into wanting to be more, to be different, to sacrifice in some places and advance in others. Just stop with the "he's going to lay down the law" or "put player X in his place", we are talking about guys who have both made All-NBA teams, have monster, long term guaranteed contracts and if they wanted out would have plenty of other teams ready and willing to take on building around or working in their unique talents. This isn't High School or even college, that kind of mind set won't work and these two might just be at that stage in their careers where they have had some individual accolades, but hunger for team success. If Doc Rivers can be the guy that lays out that plan, reaches them, matures their games and mindsets and doesn't pigeon-hole either unique talent into something some other player did once for some other team, he will be successful and the rest is up to the FO to give them the rest of the tools to finish the job.
76ciology wrote:Thinking about it.. brett will have a hard time finding a new team.
If you are rebuilding, would you hire him after the lack of development you’ve seen from Ben?
If you are competing, would you hire him when Biid and Ben wouldn’t even respond to him and he has been proven to be a bad playoff coach compared to guys like Nurse or Stevens.
I think he’d be good for a charlotte bobcats or indiana pacers type team that is not rebuilding or isnt looking to win the championship. A team that is happy to just make it to the playoffs.
76ciology wrote:For a team that does not run a lot of their offense around their PG.. man.. Clips run a LOT of PnR. They are top 5 in terms of frequency. Who run the most PnR on their team? Lou Williams. They run it collectively with Lou, Kawhi and PG.
M2J wrote:Skates wrote:I love reading posts by folks who claim one coach or another is going to come in and scare, intimidate, put Simmons and/or Embiid in their place, etc, etc. As if these guys are scrubs worried about getting cut or earning their next paycheck. Both need to grow and learn and adjust their mindsets in different ways, but the coach who can do that has to be someone who gains their respect without being too soft or overbearing. Someone who can convince them that there is a cogent plan to succeed, that each plays an integral part in it and can get them each to buy into wanting to be more, to be different, to sacrifice in some places and advance in others. Just stop with the "he's going to lay down the law" or "put player X in his place", we are talking about guys who have both made All-NBA teams, have monster, long term guaranteed contracts and if they wanted out would have plenty of other teams ready and willing to take on building around or working in their unique talents. This isn't High School or even college, that kind of mind set won't work and these two might just be at that stage in their careers where they have had some individual accolades, but hunger for team success. If Doc Rivers can be the guy that lays out that plan, reaches them, matures their games and mindsets and doesn't pigeon-hole either unique talent into something some other player did once for some other team, he will be successful and the rest is up to the FO to give them the rest of the tools to finish the job.
The FO and coach should have and do have tools to reach difficult players though. Like 76 brought up.... Doc said before he can only push players that want to be great. He has the clout to be able to say that publicly here directly about those 2 guys, and implement public scrutiny. Take them out in important parts of the game, or minimize their role. Brett did that, and I was impressed at times, but he still stroked their egos publicly. Yet, I do think the coach and front office needs to be able to put this behavior in perspective to the player use it to motivate. Players don't want to be known as team cancers, nor do they want to get traded to Utah, Charlotte, or DC.
Good players want to be coached hard too. Did you not hear what they had to say about nice guy Brett, a day before he was fired.
There have been rumors that Riley had to talk to check Butler about his leadership style. Instead of calling your teammates out for things publicly, work with them to get you to follow you to workout at 4am.
Sixerscan wrote:M2J wrote:Skates wrote:I love reading posts by folks who claim one coach or another is going to come in and scare, intimidate, put Simmons and/or Embiid in their place, etc, etc. As if these guys are scrubs worried about getting cut or earning their next paycheck. Both need to grow and learn and adjust their mindsets in different ways, but the coach who can do that has to be someone who gains their respect without being too soft or overbearing. Someone who can convince them that there is a cogent plan to succeed, that each plays an integral part in it and can get them each to buy into wanting to be more, to be different, to sacrifice in some places and advance in others. Just stop with the "he's going to lay down the law" or "put player X in his place", we are talking about guys who have both made All-NBA teams, have monster, long term guaranteed contracts and if they wanted out would have plenty of other teams ready and willing to take on building around or working in their unique talents. This isn't High School or even college, that kind of mind set won't work and these two might just be at that stage in their careers where they have had some individual accolades, but hunger for team success. If Doc Rivers can be the guy that lays out that plan, reaches them, matures their games and mindsets and doesn't pigeon-hole either unique talent into something some other player did once for some other team, he will be successful and the rest is up to the FO to give them the rest of the tools to finish the job.
The FO and coach should have and do have tools to reach difficult players though. Like 76 brought up.... Doc said before he can only push players that want to be great. He has the clout to be able to say that publicly here directly about those 2 guys, and implement public scrutiny. Take them out in important parts of the game, or minimize their role. Brett did that, and I was impressed at times, but he still stroked their egos publicly. Yet, I do think the coach and front office needs to be able to put this behavior in perspective to the player use it to motivate. Players don't want to be known as team cancers, nor do they want to get traded to Utah, Charlotte, or DC.
Good players want to be coached hard too. Did you not hear what they had to say about nice guy Brett, a day before he was fired.
There have been rumors that Riley had to talk to check Butler about his leadership style. Instead of calling your teammates out for things publicly, work with them to get you to follow you to workout at 4am.
See the issue here?
Riley didn’t call Butler out publicly or embarrass him. There’s little evidence of stuff like that working. If you can’t get through to a guy one on one you’re probably not going to get through to him by going public. Maybe if there’s effort issues on a given night you can say you didn’t think so and so showed up but not something basic about a guy’s game. Think about how Brown trying to challenge Simmons publicly into taking a 3 a game turned out.
Really if Embiid needs to be in reasonable shape and Ben needs to be reasonably confident in his shot before they even show up for training camp. If we’re waiting until we’re a few weeks into the season for Doc to bench one of them it’s probably too late.
Skates is right imo, this is about those two having the right mindset and *allowing* Doc to get them to the next level rather than being something the coach is just supposed to get out of them.
Sixerscan wrote:M2J wrote:Skates wrote:I love reading posts by folks who claim one coach or another is going to come in and scare, intimidate, put Simmons and/or Embiid in their place, etc, etc. As if these guys are scrubs worried about getting cut or earning their next paycheck. Both need to grow and learn and adjust their mindsets in different ways, but the coach who can do that has to be someone who gains their respect without being too soft or overbearing. Someone who can convince them that there is a cogent plan to succeed, that each plays an integral part in it and can get them each to buy into wanting to be more, to be different, to sacrifice in some places and advance in others. Just stop with the "he's going to lay down the law" or "put player X in his place", we are talking about guys who have both made All-NBA teams, have monster, long term guaranteed contracts and if they wanted out would have plenty of other teams ready and willing to take on building around or working in their unique talents. This isn't High School or even college, that kind of mind set won't work and these two might just be at that stage in their careers where they have had some individual accolades, but hunger for team success. If Doc Rivers can be the guy that lays out that plan, reaches them, matures their games and mindsets and doesn't pigeon-hole either unique talent into something some other player did once for some other team, he will be successful and the rest is up to the FO to give them the rest of the tools to finish the job.
The FO and coach should have and do have tools to reach difficult players though. Like 76 brought up.... Doc said before he can only push players that want to be great. He has the clout to be able to say that publicly here directly about those 2 guys, and implement public scrutiny. Take them out in important parts of the game, or minimize their role. Brett did that, and I was impressed at times, but he still stroked their egos publicly. Yet, I do think the coach and front office needs to be able to put this behavior in perspective to the player use it to motivate. Players don't want to be known as team cancers, nor do they want to get traded to Utah, Charlotte, or DC.
Good players want to be coached hard too. Did you not hear what they had to say about nice guy Brett, a day before he was fired.
There have been rumors that Riley had to talk to check Butler about his leadership style. Instead of calling your teammates out for things publicly, work with them to get you to follow you to workout at 4am.
See the issue here?
Riley didn’t call Butler out publicly or embarrass him. There’s little evidence of stuff like that working. If you can’t get through to a guy one on one you’re probably not going to get through to him by going public. Maybe if there’s effort issues on a given night you can say you didn’t think so and so showed up but not something basic about a guy’s game. Think about how Brown trying to challenge Simmons publicly into taking a 3 a game turned out.
Really if Embiid needs to be in reasonable shape and Ben needs to be reasonably confident in his shot before they even show up for training camp. If we’re waiting until we’re a few weeks into the season for Doc to bench one of them it’s probably too late.
Skates is right imo, this is about those two having the right mindset and *allowing* Doc to get them to the next level rather than being something the coach is just supposed to get out of them.