Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[wadenation305]

We need size, if we could somehow nab Brook Lopez for the low I'd do it in a heart beat, maybe bring em in with Giannis or something, I'd even take em on his own. But he's older so he wouldn't be a long term fix but def fits with this team and what we really need and seems like a high character Battier type of guy. Realistically the best fit for our needs that would make this team whole would be AD, but he not coming here, Giannis coming here is less of a pipe dream.

No shade at Dipo, but I do not wan him on this team, he wants paid and his game relies on his athleticism and he's coming off that nasty injury. I want no part of that for 1 year of All star level play. Beal we'd have to sell the barn for and not worth it, especially considering Herro will probably end up giving you the same type of production on a similar time curve as Beal, being hand molded from the start to not play to loose and that it's not ok, and that even though you can go for 30 pts defense wins championships. But we are going to going to need a PG in a year or two when Dragic decline becomes too much or retires. Herro while he has good handles and good passing I don't think he should be a full time PG, more like a Wade type thing where he takes over PG duties from time to time to give a different look or if he's hot.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

If Bam can develop a decently consistent outside shot (say around 34% on 3s) then suddenly our options become significantly broader. Bam can shift back to his more natural PF slot and you can now pair him with a an interior defender/rebounder who doesn't necessarily have to stretch the floor offensively. Which would be great because interior defense/rebounding has been my biggest concern throughout this season

[twix2500]

We need size, if we could somehow nab Brook Lopez for the low I'd do it in a heart beat, maybe bring em in with Giannis or something, I'd even take em on his own. But he's older so he wouldn't be a long term fix but def fits with this team and what we really need and seems like a high character Battier type of guy. Realistically the best fit for our needs that would make this team whole would be AD, but he not coming here, Giannis coming here is less of a pipe dream.

No shade at Dipo, but I do not wan him on this team, he wants paid and his game relies on his athleticism and he's coming off that nasty injury. I want no part of that for 1 year of All star level play. Beal we'd have to sell the barn for and not worth it, especially considering Herro will probably end up giving you the same type of production on a similar time curve as Beal, being hand molded from the start to not play to loose and that it's not ok, and that even though you can go for 30 pts defense wins championships. But we are going to going to need a PG in a year or two when Dragic decline becomes too much or retires. Herro while he has good handles and good passing I don't think he should be a full time PG, more like a Wade type thing where he takes over PG duties from time to time to give a different look or if he's hot.

You make the move for Ibaka. Getting Ibaka and then the development of KZ gives the Heat frontcourt length that still mobile enough to play the scheme. Olynyk is the player to move. Move KO to open cap space for a player like Ibaka. Then resign the vets. I also think trading Iggy has become an acceptable option now that they got him to the finals again. Bam is evolving like a character on Naruto. The failures in this finals should give him the taste of blood to make him a pitbull next year. I think he finally knows and has accepted that this team is his and he has to carry it. Stop leaning on others. Put some body guards next to him like Ibaka and KZ.

PG: Herro or Nunn - Dragic
SG: Butler or Herro
SF: Robinson - Butler - Iggy or Crowder
PF: Ibaka - Okpala - Crowder
Ce: Bam - Leonard

Im a Dragic fan, iv been telling people for the past two years he still got juice but its time to find a point guard now. I think we just squeezed that last bit of high-level juice he had. We should be all praising Goran for pushing himself this year, but he still playing on one leg. This playoff run is not indicative of him being able to play starting high-level play for few more years. It just showed he still had juice in him this year. Herro has played well, but Herro is not a point guard

Im pushing for Oladipo, because I think the timing is right. Buy when the trade stock is down, not when the trade stock is up. We went through this same debate when trading for Dragic and Butler (and even when trading for Shaq). No one is regretting those moves. Oladipo does not make huge money, only 21 mill. Easier to make a move for. The other players the Heat tried to trade for were making 30 to 40 mill per. Getting Oladipo is not a rental, he wants to play here. I think Oladipo can make the situation bad enough in Indy that he might be got easier than I initially thought.

Why year after year people are so shocked that players who return from a tough injury do not look the same. Why do we get disappointed, its natural. I know it doesn't mean he will ever get back to who he was, but bro its natural, its not some warning sign. Then you add on that he does not want to be there.

Getting Oladipo and Ibaka, now the Heat becomes a legit defensive team. Not just a team that throw schemes at you that you are not prepared for.

PG: Oladipo - Dragic
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard

Now the Heat have only one weak defender and now has two rebounders. If a player like Giannis wants to be in Miami, the heat have pieces that can move to make that happen.

[DayofMourning]

High quality post, twix.

[wadenation305]

We need size, if we could somehow nab Brook Lopez for the low I'd do it in a heart beat, maybe bring em in with Giannis or something, I'd even take em on his own. But he's older so he wouldn't be a long term fix but def fits with this team and what we really need and seems like a high character Battier type of guy. Realistically the best fit for our needs that would make this team whole would be AD, but he not coming here, Giannis coming here is less of a pipe dream.

No shade at Dipo, but I do not wan him on this team, he wants paid and his game relies on his athleticism and he's coming off that nasty injury. I want no part of that for 1 year of All star level play. Beal we'd have to sell the barn for and not worth it, especially considering Herro will probably end up giving you the same type of production on a similar time curve as Beal, being hand molded from the start to not play to loose and that it's not ok, and that even though you can go for 30 pts defense wins championships. But we are going to going to need a PG in a year or two when Dragic decline becomes too much or retires. Herro while he has good handles and good passing I don't think he should be a full time PG, more like a Wade type thing where he takes over PG duties from time to time to give a different look or if he's hot.

You make the move for Ibaka. Getting Ibaka and then the development of KZ gives the Heat frontcourt length that still mobile enough to play the scheme. Olynyk is the player to move. Move KO to open cap space for a player like Ibaka. Then resign the vets. I also think trading Iggy has become an acceptable option now that they got him to the finals again. Bam is evolving like a character on Naruto. The failures in this finals should give him the taste of blood to make him a pitbull next year. I think he finally knows and has accepted that this team is his and he has to carry it. Stop leaning on others. Put some body guards next to him like Ibaka and KZ.

PG: Herro or Nunn - Dragic
SG: Butler or Herro
SF: Robinson - Butler - Iggy or Crowder
PF: Ibaka - Okpala - Crowder
Ce: Bam - Leonard

Im a Dragic fan, iv been telling people for the past two years he still got juice but its time to find a point guard now. I think we just squeezed that last bit of high-level juice he had. We should be all praising Goran for pushing himself this year, but he still playing on one leg. This playoff run is not indicative of him being able to play starting high-level play for few more years. It just showed he still had juice in him this year. Herro has played well, but Herro is not a point guard

Im pushing for Oladipo, because I think the timing is right. Buy when the trade stock is down, not when the trade stock is up. We went through this same debate when trading for Dragic and Butler (and even when trading for Shaq). No one is regretting those moves. Oladipo does not make huge money, only 21 mill. Easier to make a move for. The other players the Heat tried to trade for were making 30 to 40 mill per. Getting Oladipo is not a rental, he wants to play here. I think Oladipo can make the situation bad enough in Indy that he might be got easier than I initially thought.

Why year after year people are so shocked that players who return from a tough injury do not look the same. Why do we get disappointed, its natural. I know it doesn't mean he will ever get back to who he was, but bro its natural, its not some warning sign. Then you add on that he does not want to be there.

Getting Oladipo and Ibaka, now the Heat becomes a legit defensive team. Not just a team that throw schemes at you that you are not prepared for.

PG: Oladipo - Dragic
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard

Now the Heat have only one weak defender and now has two rebounders. If a player like Giannis wants to be in Miami, the heat have pieces that can move to make that happen.

With Dipo what worries me is that he wants to get paid, and I don't wanna pay em based on one year he had pre injury. Again no disrespect to Dipo, but I don't think he really moves the needle for us when it comes to a championship, and at that point if he wants paid I'd rather just roll with what we got that is much cheaper and only make a move if it's solidly going to be better than what we currently have. If he comes at the right price tag then I'm in but until then I'd hold off on that.

Ibaka is interesting, at the right price I'm all for it. But realistically Bam needs to develop a stroke, in these playoffs we have seen Bam start hitting those foul line extended shots, and his free throw numbers have been on the rise which indicates he's finding his shot more consistently. But he shouldn't be a center he's a PF that can't shoot atm while doing everything else at a high level.

I'd def move Kelly, DJJ, Myers as well as Solo if anyone would have em. But Kelly not for peanuts, he has the most value out of that lot.

[RexBoyWonder]

I'm just not sure guys like Ibaka and Dipo are going to be good enough to put over the edge.

Oladipo is a huge bet. We're not getting him for cheap (in a trade) and we're not keeping him long term (contract) for cheap either.

So IF he returns to his prime (a prime of 1 total year in his career when he was a game changer) - great.
If he doesn't - we're stuck with no free cap space going forward.

Basically Im saying I'm not trading for Dipo. No way. He's not proven enough to give up assets for (AND risk long term money on). IF he can SHOW next year that's he's an allstar player again, then use cap space to sign him up next year as a free agent. But he has to show it for a full year.

It's pretty frustrating to me that we built a great young core, and we have the cap space - but there's almost no real exiting option for us out there. Some aren't realistic, some don't fit, some are risky, some just aren't that good.

Hoping I'm missing some great options that Pat identify.

[3ballbomber]

PG: Oladipo - Dragic
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard

That may prevent us from double digit losses but Is it good enough to beat LA? Is this the way we bounce back nxt season after a butt whoopin' by these Fakers! I'm sure Riles has something better.

[HeatFanLifer]

PG: Oladipo - Dragic
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard

That may prevent us from double digit losses but Is it good enough to beat LA? Is this the way we bounce back nxt season after a butt whoopin' by these Fakers! I'm sure Riles has something better.

As much as I like Duncan, he has not shown much in the playoffs. 38% from 3, sub-par defense, not many intangibles. The team cannot win a championship with him as a starter. He definitely has talent, but the Heat need someone else to take them over the edge.

[3ballbomber]

PG: Oladipo - Dragic
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard

That may prevent us from double digit losses but Is it good enough to beat LA? Is this the way we bounce back nxt season after a butt whoopin' by these Fakers! I'm sure Riles has something better.

As much as I like Duncan, he has not shown much in the playoffs. 38% from 3, sub-par defense, not many intangibles. The team cannot win a championship with him as a starter. He definitely has talent, but the Heat need someone else to take them over the edge.

We can't understate the importance of playoffs & finals experience for young players such as Duncan. He has been a disappointment but he's young & inexperienced. He'll gain toughness & experience moving forward. This is a guy who had imposter syndrome & believed he was out of the sport. It's a mental thing w/ him. This experience may prove valuable for him.

[HeatFanLifer]

That may prevent us from double digit losses but Is it good enough to beat LA? Is this the way we bounce back nxt season after a butt whoopin' by these Fakers! I'm sure Riles has something better.

As much as I like Duncan, he has not shown much in the playoffs. 38% from 3, sub-par defense, not many intangibles. The team cannot win a championship with him as a starter. He definitely has talent, but the Heat need someone else to take them over the edge.

We can't understate the importance of playoffs & finals experience for young players such as Duncan. He has been a disappointment but he's young & inexperienced. He'll gain toughness & experience moving forward. This is a guy who had imposter syndrome & believed he was out of the sport. It's a mental thing w/ him. This experience may prove valuable for him.

I’m not saying the guy does not have a bright future ahead, but the Heat may need a more seasoned and talented player as a starter to win a championship. Maybe even Kahwi.

[IggieCC]

As much as I like Duncan, he has not shown much in the playoffs. 38% from 3, sub-par defense, not many intangibles. The team cannot win a championship with him as a starter. He definitely has talent, but the Heat need someone else to take them over the edge.

We can't understate the importance of playoffs & finals experience for young players such as Duncan. He has been a disappointment but he's young & inexperienced. He'll gain toughness & experience moving forward. This is a guy who had imposter syndrome & believed he was out of the sport. It's a mental thing w/ him. This experience may prove valuable for him.

I’m not saying the guy does not have a bright future ahead, but the Heat may need a more seasoned and talented player as a starter to win a championship. Maybe even Kahwi.

A team that just made it to the Finals might win a championship if it acquires Kawhi and starts him over an undrafted rookie?

Send your resume to ESPN asap and report back Lifer. Sheesh

[IggieCC]

Ideally Drob could be settled in our Heatle Ray Allen type role in the future. He's not too different from Golden Kok imo a little taller and has a quicker release.

[twix2500]

We need size, if we could somehow nab Brook Lopez for the low I'd do it in a heart beat, maybe bring em in with Giannis or something, I'd even take em on his own. But he's older so he wouldn't be a long term fix but def fits with this team and what we really need and seems like a high character Battier type of guy. Realistically the best fit for our needs that would make this team whole would be AD, but he not coming here, Giannis coming here is less of a pipe dream.

No shade at Dipo, but I do not wan him on this team, he wants paid and his game relies on his athleticism and he's coming off that nasty injury. I want no part of that for 1 year of All star level play. Beal we'd have to sell the barn for and not worth it, especially considering Herro will probably end up giving you the same type of production on a similar time curve as Beal, being hand molded from the start to not play to loose and that it's not ok, and that even though you can go for 30 pts defense wins championships. But we are going to going to need a PG in a year or two when Dragic decline becomes too much or retires. Herro while he has good handles and good passing I don't think he should be a full time PG, more like a Wade type thing where he takes over PG duties from time to time to give a different look or if he's hot.

You make the move for Ibaka. Getting Ibaka and then the development of KZ gives the Heat frontcourt length that still mobile enough to play the scheme. Olynyk is the player to move. Move KO to open cap space for a player like Ibaka. Then resign the vets. I also think trading Iggy has become an acceptable option now that they got him to the finals again. Bam is evolving like a character on Naruto. The failures in this finals should give him the taste of blood to make him a pitbull next year. I think he finally knows and has accepted that this team is his and he has to carry it. Stop leaning on others. Put some body guards next to him like Ibaka and KZ.

PG: Herro or Nunn - Dragic
SG: Butler or Herro
SF: Robinson - Butler - Iggy or Crowder
PF: Ibaka - Okpala - Crowder
Ce: Bam - Leonard

Im a Dragic fan, iv been telling people for the past two years he still got juice but its time to find a point guard now. I think we just squeezed that last bit of high-level juice he had. We should be all praising Goran for pushing himself this year, but he still playing on one leg. This playoff run is not indicative of him being able to play starting high-level play for few more years. It just showed he still had juice in him this year. Herro has played well, but Herro is not a point guard

Im pushing for Oladipo, because I think the timing is right. Buy when the trade stock is down, not when the trade stock is up. We went through this same debate when trading for Dragic and Butler (and even when trading for Shaq). No one is regretting those moves. Oladipo does not make huge money, only 21 mill. Easier to make a move for. The other players the Heat tried to trade for were making 30 to 40 mill per. Getting Oladipo is not a rental, he wants to play here. I think Oladipo can make the situation bad enough in Indy that he might be got easier than I initially thought.

Why year after year people are so shocked that players who return from a tough injury do not look the same. Why do we get disappointed, its natural. I know it doesn't mean he will ever get back to who he was, but bro its natural, its not some warning sign. Then you add on that he does not want to be there.

Getting Oladipo and Ibaka, now the Heat becomes a legit defensive team. Not just a team that throw schemes at you that you are not prepared for.

PG: Oladipo - Dragic
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard

Now the Heat have only one weak defender and now has two rebounders. If a player like Giannis wants to be in Miami, the heat have pieces that can move to make that happen.

With Dipo what worries me is that he wants to get paid, and I don't wanna pay em based on one year he had pre injury. Again no disrespect to Dipo, but I don't think he really moves the needle for us when it comes to a championship, and at that point if he wants paid I'd rather just roll with what we got that is much cheaper and only make a move if it's solidly going to be better than what we currently have. If he comes at the right price tag then I'm in but until then I'd hold off on that.

Ibaka is interesting, at the right price I'm all for it. But realistically Bam needs to develop a stroke, in these playoffs we have seen Bam start hitting those foul line extended shots, and his free throw numbers have been on the rise which indicates he's finding his shot more consistently. But he shouldn't be a center he's a PF that can't shoot atm while doing everything else at a high level.

I'd def move Kelly, DJJ, Myers as well as Solo if anyone would have em. But Kelly not for peanuts, he has the most value out of that lot.

No one is paying him Max money based on one year 3 years ago. You can only get what the market offers. I rather see what he got once on the team. If Oladipo gets close to what he was, he is a difference maker.

Kelly is such a horrible defender and rebounder his shooting is not enough. Going forward Bam should be increasing his shot attempts which means he needs a player next to him that can contribute in other areas besides shot attempts. 7'0 KO is so bad defensively and at rebounding that he has been replaced by 6'5 Crowder, because Crowder can defend bigs better than KO. Getting Ibaka, now you got a big who can defend, rebound, shot block and shoot. He can relieve Bam from the physical banging, Ibaka rebounding can allow Bam to get out on more fastbreaks.

[twix2500]

PG: Oladipo - Dragic
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard

That may prevent us from double digit losses but Is it good enough to beat LA? Is this the way we bounce back nxt season after a butt whoopin' by these Fakers! I'm sure Riles has something better.

Yes, this would be enough to compete with LA. Will it beat them, that remains to be seen. It will all depend on the development of Bam and Herro. I am expecting them to make another step next year. Are Bam and Herro stars or role players? If they are stars then you build around them and add role players that complement them. If they are not stars then you stop coddling them and go after a star and build around that player. If you are trying to build a team, you are giving yourself a chance to compete. Outside of Giannis, who are you waiting for? Beal is going to require some of the young players to be traded. You want Westbrook? A 36 year old Chris Paul, a 35 year old Kyle Lowry? You think Leonard and AD are going to leave LA, why?

[twix2500]

One of the biggest advantages LA got over the Heat is rebounding and size. Close that gap this off-season.

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[AirP.]

One of the biggest advantages LA got over the Heat is rebounding and size. Close that gap this off-season.

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Do you think they will, Miami went into the season with only 1 big who is actually undersized but can rebound in Bam. I've been saying this for over a year now and I can see it I don't see how a NBA GM couldn't see it and address it. I've said it over and over throughout the year even when this team was doing well, they were razer thin at the one position that held their whole defense together. All Miami needs right now is a defensive center with size, something Leonard nor Olynyk aren't. Other than refusing to go into the 2021 cap space and sign Gallinari and add Noel, it's probably the biggest gripe I've had with this roster. This FO didn't believe in this roster enough to say lets go for it. Another defensive center like Noel would have made as big of a difference as Gallo would have. Hell, adding a J.Noah would have been a huge help especially now... you know, a vet defensive big who could rebound and pass, he was nearly the perfect vet min player to backup Bam and he was out there as a FA nearly all year.

From July 30th 2019...

I hope Miami finds a vet defensive center, if Bam goes out with an injury or gets in early foul trouble it's going to really hurt, maybe more so than any other player out there because of the depth.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1873491&p=77977350&hilit=Bam+foul+injury+defensive+center#p77977350

Although Butler is the best player on this team, just because of how the roster was constructed, Bam was the most important player because this team had some depth to handle Butler's loss, but no depth to handle Bam's loss.

[twix2500]

One of the biggest advantages LA got over the Heat is rebounding and size. Close that gap this off-season.

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Do you think they will, Miami went into the season with only 1 big who is actually undersized but can rebound in Bam. I've been saying this for over a year now and I can see it I don't see how a NBA GM couldn't see it and address it. I've said it over and over throughout the year even when this team was doing well, they were razer thin at the one position that held their whole defense together. All Miami needs right now is a defensive center with size, something Leonard nor Olynyk aren't. Other than refusing to go into the 2021 cap space and sign Gallinari and add Noel, it's probably the biggest gripe I've had with this roster. This FO didn't believe in this roster enough to say lets go for it. Another defensive center like Noel would have made as big of a difference as Gallo would have. Hell, adding a J.Noah would have been a huge help especially now... you know, a vet defensive big who could rebound and pass, he was nearly the perfect vet min player to backup Bam and he was out there as a FA nearly all year.

From July 30th 2019...

I hope Miami finds a vet defensive center, if Bam goes out with an injury or gets in early foul trouble it's going to really hurt, maybe more so than any other player out there because of the depth.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1873491&p=77977350&hilit=Bam+foul+injury+defensive+center#p77977350

Although Butler is the best player on this team, just because of how the roster was constructed, Bam was the most important player because this team had some depth to handle Butler's loss, but no depth to handle Bam's loss.

Well you got to remember we are witnessing the evolution of Bam. We hoped he was going to improve but there was no way to know he was gonna improve at this high of rate. He had actually made a jump in the last playoff series. He probably made 4 or 5 different jumps this year. Remember the season started we celebrated when he was averaging 13 pts in November. By All-star break he cracked 16. He average 21 pts in the eastern conference finals. 13 to 21 is a jump that usually take a player multiple years to do.

I think the Heat felt they needed to find a second go-too player to pair with Butler. Even thou Bam made the all-star team, he wasn't displaying go-too player skill set. They were willing to trade for role players as long as it didn't hurt their chances of adding a go-too player next yr. During the playoffs we learned a number of unknowns. Goran still had go too player juice left, Bam evolving into a go too player, and Herro showed flashes of potentially becoming one. Nunn is still the big mystery. Nunn level of play went the opposite direction.

If the organization is sold on Bam and Herro as go-too players I think the Heat will lock down some quality complementary role players. Getting to the finals also makes a huge difference. I think organization will be ready to pull triggers on moves they were hesitant to do at the all-star break.

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[HeatingUp3]

We can't realky re sign Jae and Dragic for one year right? They won't take that. We need to see what Pat will do. Because my guess he wilk go all in on Giannis.

[HeatingUp3]

But we have to get a big. Is Ibaka a FA?

[twix2500]

But we have to get a big. Is Ibaka a FA?

Yes Ibaka is a free agent this summer. And one of the closet perfect complementary bigs to put next to Bam.