NBA Bubble Winners and Losers

[HartfordWhalers]

Going into the bubble nobody really knew what to expect. I really did enjoy having so much good basketball in the middle of a usually sports dry summer. Now that its almost over which players stock/outlook/perception drastically changed going forward due to their performance in the bubble?

WINNERS
Dame Lillard
Jamal Murray
Donovan Mitchell
Devin Booker
Bam Adebayo
Jimmy Butler
TJ Warren
Michael Porter Jr
Rajon Rondo
Carmelo Anthony
Gary Trent Jr (edited in)

LOSERS
Pascal Siakam
Paul George
Giannis(Milwaukee Supporting Cast and Coaches)
Victor Oladipo
Zion Williamson (slightly based on expectations)
Michael Porter Jr
Joel Embiid
Russel Westbrook

Honorable Mention for Winners
Tyler Herro
Robert Williams
Jonathan Isaac(also a loser)
timothe luwawu-cabarrot
Keldon Johnson
Bol Bol

Obviously this is just a snapshot reaction to the end of a unique season, but I think it's a fun exercise and I would like to see other opinions on it.

Embiid was 30ppg 12 rpg in the playoffs on 60% TS%. Not sure more could have possibly been done by him, but I have 30 ppg on 60% TS% as above expectations. How much did you expect beforehand?

[John Murdoch]

so for me its not really thread worthy since he is a good coach , however i find it interesting that Quin Snyder didnt face any kind of ridicule after being up 3-1 and choking it away

[TommyPointGawd]

Embiid was 30ppg 12 rpg in the playoffs on 60% TS%. Not sure more could have possibly been done by him, but I have 30 ppg on 60% TS% as above expectations. How much did you expect beforehand?

Embiid played well, but couldn't get a single win in the playoffs and didn't have the conditioning to finish games strong. He is too good to allow either of those things to happen. Leadership, conditioning, dedication are questions being asked now. This list isn't about stats. He should have a chip on his shoulder going into next year.

[HartfordWhalers]

Embiid was 30ppg 12 rpg in the playoffs on 60% TS%. Not sure more could have possibly been done by him, but I have 30 ppg on 60% TS% as above expectations. How much did you expect beforehand?

Embiid played well, but couldn't get a single win in the playoffs and didn't have the conditioning to finish games strong. He is too good to allow either of those things to happen. Leadership, conditioning, dedication are questions being asked now. This list isn't about stats. He should have a chip on his shoulder going into next year.

So, Embiid put up monster numbers on excellent efficiency, but because his team lost, Embiid himself was the disappointment? I feel like you nailed it when you said the list isn't about stats.

[Da ThRONe]

so for me its not really thread worthy since he is a good coach , however i find it interesting that Quin Snyder didnt face any kind of ridicule after being up 3-1 and choking it away

It's like Spiderman from Family Guy says "Everybody gets one".

It happens again I think the media won't be so nice. Plus they were the underdogs in the series as well.

[TommyPointGawd]

Embiid was 30ppg 12 rpg in the playoffs on 60% TS%. Not sure more could have possibly been done by him, but I have 30 ppg on 60% TS% as above expectations. How much did you expect beforehand?

Embiid played well, but couldn't get a single win in the playoffs and didn't have the conditioning to finish games strong. He is too good to allow either of those things to happen. Leadership, conditioning, dedication are questions being asked now. This list isn't about stats. He should have a chip on his shoulder going into next year.

So, Embiid put up monster numbers on excellent efficiency, but because his team lost, Embiid himself was the disappointment? I feel like you nailed it when you said the list isn't about stats.

Yes.


You can ignore my original answer that provided context if you want. If you are happy with his stats and you feel like he exceeded expectations then he will be in your winners list.

[Fable]

Kawhi 6/22 Leonard is the biggest loser of the bubble season.

[bellabiyel]

biggest losers clippers - being to over confident that they can beat everyone.
dont talk to us ,next 5 years is mine beverly.la is my city kawhi,cocky dirty marcus.louwill strips overchampionship.harell.we are the best duo in the league "paul george"almost everyone pick them to win and they lose by choking a 3-1 lead

[xinxin]

Loser: Pat Bev.. the attention whore proving that karma is a b*tch

[theFireBlanket]

Yeah,... the reffing in the bubble has been crazy bad. When you get a game full of highlights, that Ronnie Nunn can question a plethora of calls. And he concludes his commentary by saying that the NBA's new head referees have a lot to learn when it comes to nuances of the game. Something is definitely off.

I saw it happen to my team vs. Miami & then I saw it happen to Denver vs. the Lakers. Call a consistent game, or you're going to lose a lot of fans. It really is getting WWE with flopping, favoritism, some players get away with hacking & others can't just play honest straight up defense. Last night Kendrick Nunn got to experience what Khris Middleton did playing Jimmy Butler straight up.

I personally have no problem with the reffing. Basketball is naturally a hard sport to ref. I have no complaints.

*Every* year is the supposed worse year reffing ever. It's just the nature of reffing, players miss shots and refs miss calls. It happens.

What a load of crap. Let the game deteriorate, yeah, okay.... Enjoy being shoveled that load & telling yourself it's legit.

[kodo]

Yeah don't agree w Embiid on the loser list. Playoff wins & losses are a team effort, not individual.

Kobe Bryant failed to make the playoffs at all without a team around him, is he also a loser?

[Brofessor24]

I personally have no problem with the reffing. Basketball is naturally a hard sport to ref. I have no complaints.

*Every* year is the supposed worse year reffing ever. It's just the nature of reffing, players miss shots and refs miss calls. It happens.

What a load of crap. Let the game deteriorate, yeah, okay.... Enjoy being shoveled that load & telling yourself it's legit.

To me the modern NBA is more enjoyable than the 1990s/early 2000s NBA.

However, you're entitled to your opinion.

[theFireBlanket]

To me the modern NBA is more enjoyable than the 1990s/early 2000s NBA.

However, you're entitled to your opinion.

I didn't say anything about the modern vs past NBA. Officiating was an issue then, The Donaghy scandal brought it to the surface.

Watching this bubble play, it's an issue now. They did awful in the bubble. The regular season was nothing like what has happened in Orlando.

This idea that officials miss calls like players miss shots is crazy. 3 officials should be able to narrow down correct calls, that's why there are 3. 3 players don't take the same shot for each other. One to make up for either missing. That's such an asinine comparison on narmer's part. I was essentially replying to them.

[Brofessor24]

To me the modern NBA is more enjoyable than the 1990s/early 2000s NBA.

However, you're entitled to your opinion.

I didn't say anything about the modern vs past NBA. Officiating was an issue then, The Donaghy scandal brought it to the surface.

Watching this bubble play, it's an issue now. They did awful in the bubble. The regular season was nothing like what has happened in Orlando.

This idea that officials miss calls like players miss shots is crazy. 3 officials should be able to narrow down correct calls, that's why there are 3. 3 players don't take the same shot for each other. One to make up for either missing. That's such an asinine comparison on narmer's part. I was essentially replying to them.

I personally have no problem with the bubble officiating.

[TommyPointGawd]

Yeah don't agree w Embiid on the loser list. Playoff wins & losses are a team effort, not individual.

Kobe Bryant failed to make the playoffs at all without a team around him, is he also a loser?

The winner and loser thing may be a poor choice of words. Maybe "Up" and "Down" like a stock would be better. But to answer your question in 05 when Kobe missed the playoffs I'm sure his stocked dropped momentarily, but I don't remember the context of that season. Embiid is clearly not in optimal shape. A 26 year old superstar gassed out in multiple playoffs games in the 1st round, without having to travel, after having a 5 month break. I personally expect more from him.

[theFireBlanket]

To me the modern NBA is more enjoyable than the 1990s/early 2000s NBA.

However, you're entitled to your opinion.

I didn't say anything about the modern vs past NBA. Officiating was an issue then, The Donaghy scandal brought it to the surface.

Watching this bubble play, it's an issue now. They did awful in the bubble. The regular season was nothing like what has happened in Orlando.

This idea that officials miss calls like players miss shots is crazy. 3 officials should be able to narrow down correct calls, that's why there are 3. 3 players don't take the same shot for each other. One to make up for either missing. That's such an asinine comparison on narmer's part. I was essentially replying to them.

I personally have no problem with the bubble officiating.

Well aware, bruh. But other people such as myself do. You call a consistent game. They have not.

IE Anthony Davis getting a landing violation foul on Milsap but LeBron gets away with going right under Jokic after a shot. With a referee up in their vicinity.

The NBA has been adamant about that landing space foul but for LeBron they overlooked it. You're okay with that. Good for you. Shows favoritism. Makes sense.

[Brofessor24]

I didn't say anything about the modern vs past NBA. Officiating was an issue then, The Donaghy scandal brought it to the surface.

Watching this bubble play, it's an issue now. They did awful in the bubble. The regular season was nothing like what has happened in Orlando.

This idea that officials miss calls like players miss shots is crazy. 3 officials should be able to narrow down correct calls, that's why there are 3. 3 players don't take the same shot for each other. One to make up for either missing. That's such an asinine comparison on narmer's part. I was essentially replying to them.

I personally have no problem with the bubble officiating.

Well aware, bruh. But other people such as myself do. You call a consistent game. They have not.

IE Anthony Davis getting a landing violation foul on Milsap but LeBron gets away with going right under Jokic after a shot. With a referee up in their vicinity.

The NBA has been adamant about that landing space foul but for LeBron they overlooked it. You're okay with that. Good for you. Shows favoritism. Makes sense.

Sometimes refs miss things. That has always been the case, no biggie.

[Lakers LeBron]

Yeah don't agree w Embiid on the loser list. Playoff wins & losses are a team effort, not individual.

Kobe Bryant failed to make the playoffs at all without a team around him, is he also a loser?

The winner and loser thing seems may be a poor choice of words. Maybe "Up" and "Down" like a stock would be better. But to answer your question in 05 when Kobe missed the playoffs I'm sure his stocked dropped momentarily, but I don't remember the context of that season. Embiid is clearly not in optimal shape. A 26 year old superstar gassed out in multiple playoffs games in the 1st round, without having to travel, after having a 5 month break. I personally expect more from him.

05 was a tough year to be a Kobe fan for sure

[theFireBlanket]

I personally have no problem with the bubble officiating.

Well aware, bruh. But other people such as myself do. You call a consistent game. They have not.

IE Anthony Davis getting a landing violation foul on Milsap but LeBron gets away with going right under Jokic after a shot. With a referee up in their vicinity.

The NBA has been adamant about that landing space foul but for LeBron they overlooked it. You're okay with that. Good for you. Shows favoritism. Makes sense.

Sometimes refs miss things. That has always been the case, no biggie.

Yeah, missing things for one particular player in a critical game & with their eye on the play... Nah that ref didn't miss LeBron going under Nikola. He swallowed the whistle. Maybe they missed LeBron hammering Jamal on his layup,... Maybe.

[Brofessor24]

Well aware, bruh. But other people such as myself do. You call a consistent game. They have not.

IE Anthony Davis getting a landing violation foul on Milsap but LeBron gets away with going right under Jokic after a shot. With a referee up in their vicinity.

The NBA has been adamant about that landing space foul but for LeBron they overlooked it. You're okay with that. Good for you. Shows favoritism. Makes sense.

Sometimes refs miss things. That has always been the case, no biggie.

Yeah, missing things for one particular player in a critical game & with their eye on the play... Nah that ref didn't miss LeBron going under Nikola. He swallowed the whistle. Maybe they missed LeBron hammering Jamal on his layup,... Maybe.

Who knows man.