2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[Neeva]

11-20 in this draft is actually pretty good. The only reason people aren’t high on the draft is because the top 3 and top 9 isn’t that great. It’s after that top I that there are about 10-15 interchangeable prospects.

Agreed but IMO it’s not the only reason the longer wait time for the draft has made people pick apart every aspect of these players and no ncaa tournament for the players to impress.

If Herro was in this class people would be picking apart his t-rex negative wingspan.

[_AIJ_]

Oturu is Justin Patton v2


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[KGdaBom]

Oturu is Justin Patton v2


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What's the similarity. Oturu was way more productive, but doesn't have the ball skills like Patton.

[thinktank]

17th picks

2019 Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Donte DiVincenzo, Villanova – Milwaukee Bucks
2017 D.J. Wilson, Michigan – Milwaukee Bucks
2016 Wade Baldwin, Vanderbilt – Memphis Grizzlies
2015 Rashad Vaughn, UNLV – Milwaukee Bucks
2014 James Young, Kentucky – Boston Celtics
2013 Dennis Schroeder, Germany – Atlanta Hawks
2012 Tyler Zeller, UNC – Dallas Mavericks
2011 Iman Shumpert, Georgia Tech – New York Knicks
2010 Kevin Seraphin, France – Chicago Bulls
2009 Jrue Holiday, UCLA – Philadelphia 76ers
2008 Roy Hibbert, Georgetown – Toronto Raptors
2007 Sean Williams, Boston College – New Jersey Nets
2006 Shawne Williams, Memphis – Indiana Pacers
2005 Danny Granger, New Mexico – Indiana Pacers

As far as players more valuable than Gordon, I see:

Maybe NAW pans out.
DiVincenzo
Schroeder
Holiday
Hibbert
Granger

So roughly a 33% chance to obtain someone better than Gordon, who is average, and at maybe 40% of his cost too.

That’s a gamble you have to take, imo.

[Neeva]

If you count some of the players that teams skipped and that went between 18-20 there are Thybulle, Huerter, Collins (just in the last three drafts) wolves can get someone valuable IMO this draft is strong in the teens and someone good will drop. My hope is Maxey.

[thinktank]

If you count some of the players that teams skipped and that went between 18-20 there are Thybulle, Huerter, Collins (just in the last three drafts) wolves can get someone valuable IMO this draft is strong in the teens and someone good will drop. My hope is Maxey.

I agree.

Don’t settle.

Be aggressive.

These are the types of opportunities we need to capitalize on to move up in the West.

[KGdaBom]

If you count some of the players that teams skipped and that went between 18-20 there are Thybulle, Huerter, Collins (just in the last three drafts) wolves can get someone valuable IMO this draft is strong in the teens and someone good will drop. My hope is Maxey.

There's no question that with hindsight you can get a better player than Gordon at pick 17 or later. We don't have hindsight.

[KGdaBom]

17th picks

2019 Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Donte DiVincenzo, Villanova – Milwaukee Bucks
2017 D.J. Wilson, Michigan – Milwaukee Bucks
2016 Wade Baldwin, Vanderbilt – Memphis Grizzlies
2015 Rashad Vaughn, UNLV – Milwaukee Bucks
2014 James Young, Kentucky – Boston Celtics
2013 Dennis Schroeder, Germany – Atlanta Hawks
2012 Tyler Zeller, UNC – Dallas Mavericks
2011 Iman Shumpert, Georgia Tech – New York Knicks
2010 Kevin Seraphin, France – Chicago Bulls
2009 Jrue Holiday, UCLA – Philadelphia 76ers
2008 Roy Hibbert, Georgetown – Toronto Raptors
2007 Sean Williams, Boston College – New Jersey Nets
2006 Shawne Williams, Memphis – Indiana Pacers
2005 Danny Granger, New Mexico – Indiana Pacers

As far as players more valuable than Gordon, I see:

Maybe NAW pans out.
DiVincenzo
Schroeder
Holiday
Hibbert
Granger

So roughly a 33% chance to obtain someone better than Gordon, who is average, and at maybe 40% of his cost too.

That’s a gamble you have to take, imo.

Only two of those players you can say were clearly better than Gordon. Jrue and Granger who flamed out very quickly. So change those odds to 13%.

[Nick K]

If you count some of the players that teams skipped and that went between 18-20 there are Thybulle, Huerter, Collins (just in the last three drafts) wolves can get someone valuable IMO this draft is strong in the teens and someone good will drop. My hope is Maxey.

There's no question that with hindsight you can get a better player than Gordon at pick 17 or later. We don't have hindsight.

[Dewey]

Could we find a away to draft Okungwu & Avdija both - using the #1 and #17?

DLo ... McL/other
Beasley ... Okogie
Avdija ... Culver/Layman
Okungwu ... Hernangomez/Vanderbilt
KAT ... Reid

[KGdaBom]

Could we find a away to draft Okungwu & Avdija both - using the #1 and #17?

DLo ... McL/other
Beasley ... Okogie
Avdija ... Culver/Layman
Okungwu ... Hernangomez/Vanderbilt
KAT ... Reid

No way in Hell. I don't even see how to get it done throwing Culver in.

[Dewey]

Could we find a away to draft Okungwu & Avdija both - using the #1 and #17?

DLo ... McL/other
Beasley ... Okogie
Avdija ... Culver/Layman
Okungwu ... Hernangomez/Vanderbilt
KAT ... Reid

No way in Hell. I don't even see how to get it done throwing Culver in.

How about the asset we’d acquire to move down? #17 + player + acquired asset to move up ... maybe all moot if Rosas and clan are targeting established players, but I suppose moving up from 17 takes more than I wanna believe

[KGdaBom]

Could we find a away to draft Okungwu & Avdija both - using the #1 and #17?

DLo ... McL/other
Beasley ... Okogie
Avdija ... Culver/Layman
Okungwu ... Hernangomez/Vanderbilt
KAT ... Reid

No way in Hell. I don't even see how to get it done throwing Culver in.

How about the asset we’d acquire to move down? #17 + player + acquired asset to move up ... maybe all moot if Rosas and clan are targeting established players, but I suppose moving up from 17 takes more than I wanna believe

Remember I think Deni would take at least a top 4 pick and might go at 2. Okonwu IMO the latest he would go would be 8 and don't be surprised very much if the Warriors draft him at 2.

[Nick K]

I would have no problem at all with us drafting Oturu at 17 and be thrilled with him at 33. Draft sites have him as high as #8 and as low as #50+ on their boards. I think the ones who have him rated higher are the right ones.
Riller is OK, but I'm leery of guys who appear over 30 years old. Miller is in actuality 23, but will turn 24 early in the season. He'd probably be a good pick at 33.

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

Oturu is a very productive Center or PF who shoots 3s well, and blocks shots and rebounds. I've seen him as high as 8 on big boards and much lower. I disagree with those who see him as a 2nd rounder like you. Time will tell that I'm right and you're wrong.
If we don't draft a big with our first pick I will be open to drafting him with our 17 or 33.

That is one of your better ones kgdabom.

Oturo should easily go in the 1st round after people get to see him. I'd like him better if I knew if he could play the 4. He might be able to. He has a lot of talent. I think he'd give Reed a serious run for the reserve Center position. He's certainly a better defensive fit than Reed is.

[KGdaBom]

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

Oturu is a very productive Center or PF who shoots 3s well, and blocks shots and rebounds. I've seen him as high as 8 on big boards and much lower. I disagree with those who see him as a 2nd rounder like you. Time will tell that I'm right and you're wrong.
If we don't draft a big with our first pick I will be open to drafting him with our 17 or 33.

That is one of your better ones kgdabom.

Oturo should easily go in the 1st round after people get to see him. I'd like him better if I knew if he could play the 4. He might be able to. He has a lot of talent. I think he'd give Reed a serious run for the reserve Center position. He's certainly a better defensive fit than Reed is.

Yeah I couldn't resist. More fun than just saying Time will Tell.

[gandlogo]

I'll preface this post by saying I think Avdija and Ball are the best basketball players in the draft. That means they combine the best of traits (BBIQ, motor, size, game awareness, defensive positioning, etc) and skills (handle, passing, shooting/shot creation, defensive technique, etc). Some guys are shooters. Some are scorers. Some are freak athletes or have amazing physical attributes (standing reach and wingspan). But some guys are just really good basketball players. Players that the ball just seems to naturally find. Like nearly everything on this board, that's just personal opinion - so I'm not looking to debate the merits of my opinion.

I'll also admit to being older (54) and letting things like not liking Ball's dad and seeing a nontraditional approach to shooting negatively impact my overall view of Ball. He's not his father's keeper, so I need to let that go. And how shooting is taught has evolved a lot from what was taught in the peach basket days. So form that looks incredibly broken to some, may not actually be that bad. I spent 12 minutes watching a shooting coach take a part Ball's shot (coincidentally exactly one year ago he released this video, and thus nothing was from the ANBL). But there were definitely some positives to take away from his form. His finish and arc/shot trajectory being very good. His guide hand and initial position needing tweaks, but very fixable. Feet, shoulder, and hip alignment all fly in the face of what was traditionally taught, but seemed to be in line with modern technique.

At this point Ball's shot feels like the equivalent of Jim Furyk's golf swing - a hot mess all the way up to the point of release/impact. If he improves his shot selection and tweaks (not rebuilds) his existing form, he could see significant improvement on his 3PT percentage. Lonzo has gone 30%, 33%, 37.5% over his first three years with far worse FT numbers. Who's to say Lamelo can't get to 35% soon, to go along with great assist and rebounding numbers (probably while guarding SG or SF)? The kid can play.

Watch on YouTube

[KGdaBom]

I'll preface this post by saying I think Avdija and Ball are the best basketball players in the draft. That means they combine the best of traits (BBIQ, motor, size, game awareness, defensive positioning, etc) and skills (handle, passing, shooting/shot creation, defensive technique, etc). Some guys are shooters. Some are scorers. Some are freak athletes or have amazing physical attributes (standing reach and wingspan). But some guys are just really good basketball players. Players that the ball just seems to naturally find. Like nearly everything on this board, that's just personal opinion - so I'm not looking to debate the merits of my opinion.

I'll also admit to being older (54) and letting things like not liking Ball's dad and seeing a nontraditional approach to shooting negatively impact my overall view of Ball. He's not his father's keeper, so I need to let that go. And how shooting is taught has evolved a lot from what was taught in the peach basket days. So form that looks incredibly broken to some, may not actually be that bad. I spent 12 minutes watching a shooting coach take a part Ball's shot (coincidentally exactly one year ago he released this video, and thus nothing was from the ANBL). But there were definitely some positives to take away from his form. His finish and arc/shot trajectory being very good. His guide hand and initial position needing tweaks, but very fixable. Feet, shoulder, and hip alignment all fly in the face of what was traditionally taught, but seemed to be in line with modern technique.

At this point Ball's shot feels like the equivalent of Jim Furyk's golf swing - a hot mess all the way up to the point of release/impact. If he improves his shot selection and tweaks (not rebuilds) his existing form, he could see significant improvement on his 3PT percentage. Lonzo has gone 30%, 33%, 37.5% over his first three years with far worse FT numbers. Who's to say Lamelo can't get to 35% soon, to go along with great assist and rebounding numbers (probably while guarding SG or SF)? The kid can play.

Watch on YouTube

I don't buy it. Ball's shot is broken beyond any hope of repair.

[Midw35t]

I would have no problem at all with us drafting Oturu at 17 and be thrilled with him at 33. Draft sites have him as high as #8 and as low as #50+ on their boards. I think the ones who have him rated higher are the right ones.
Riller is OK, but I'm leery of guys who appear over 30 years old. Miller is in actuality 23, but will turn 24 early in the season. He'd probably be a good pick at 33.

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

Right if the wolves trade for Simmons then I am all in on a shooter at 33 , Isaiah Joe is my top choice there.
http://www.si.com/.amp-raptors/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-nba-draft-arkansas-isaiah-joe

I'm hoping one of Bane, Joe, Riller, Bey, Reed, Tillman, Ramsey, or McDaniels is available at 33.

Bane, Bey, and Reed seem to be moving up the most, and may need to take one at 17 or trade back slightly. Celtics possibly for their two later 1sts? Or 76ers for 21 and 34(36 too??). Look for a stash guy or just take multiple stabs hoping one works out.

[Neeva]

Oturu...c'mon. seriously? He is easily in the 2nd and I wouldn't take him as high as #33, in fact I wouldn't take him at all given we have Towns and Reid. If we want a third string C (which we really don't) pull them off the scrap heap.

Right if the wolves trade for Simmons then I am all in on a shooter at 33 , Isaiah Joe is my top choice there.
http://www.si.com/.amp-raptors/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-nba-draft-arkansas-isaiah-joe

I'm hoping one of Bane, Joe, Riller, Bey, Reed, Tillman, Ramsey, or McDaniels is available at 33.

Bane, Bey, and Reed seem to be moving up the most, and may need to take one at 17 or trade back slightly. Celtics possibly for their two later 1sts? Or 76ers for 21 and 34(36 too??). Look for a stash guy or just take multiple stabs hoping one works out.

I can see at least two of them being available at 33.

[KGdaBom]

Right if the wolves trade for Simmons then I am all in on a shooter at 33 , Isaiah Joe is my top choice there.
http://www.si.com/.amp-raptors/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-nba-draft-arkansas-isaiah-joe

I'm hoping one of Bane, Joe, Riller, Bey, Reed, Tillman, Ramsey, or McDaniels is available at 33.

Bane, Bey, and Reed seem to be moving up the most, and may need to take one at 17 or trade back slightly. Celtics possibly for their two later 1sts? Or 76ers for 21 and 34(36 too??). Look for a stash guy or just take multiple stabs hoping one works out.

I can see at least two of them being available at 33.

I would think at least two like you're saying. Very likely more.