The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7)

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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1921 » by Heej » Sun Oct 4, 2020 8:25 pm

yoyoboy wrote:Anyone else found themselves becoming a bit of a Davis fanboy? :lol:

Hopefully once LeBron is gone Davis becomes the next guy we all follow and discuss in these threads.

Honestly man, I'm right there with you. I think about it every now and then, but one of the saddest things for me when LeBron retires woulda been missing out on all the convos with you guys in the LeBron threads over the years. For a while you guys were the only ones keeping me coming back to RealGM.

I hope we can still congregate in the AD thread and follow him for a few years after. Also it helps that he's a Bron stan like one of us lol. If I'm gonna follow anyone after Bron it's gotta be someone that loves our guy too. I think I'll be following Luka off and on too just cuz I love his game. He might make a run at MVP next season.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1922 » by Baski » Sun Oct 4, 2020 8:27 pm

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Baski wrote:I'm just gonna reiterate that a prime Lebron team coming off a championship isn't winning close to 70 games. Expecting 36 year old Lecoast to do it is super optimistic.

I just remember some of the tough wins and badass performances the 2016 Ws had to roll out to maintain their pace and it makes me lol imagining this Lebron doing that :lol: :lol:

He's our guy Heej but you're gonna be disappointed :lol:

You gotta admit tho, they were def gunning for it up til January right.

:lol: :lol: Buddy are you new to Lebron fandom? That happens every season. Remember the 16 game win streak in 2018?
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1923 » by PaulieWal » Sun Oct 4, 2020 8:31 pm

Yeah, after winning this title no way in hell is LeBron going for 70 wins. That's just way too out there. To win 70 you need to be on every night and I expect there will be more of a stamina decline in LeBron too which we noticed even this year as he has played both ends of the floor.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1924 » by Baski » Sun Oct 4, 2020 8:38 pm

AD would need to ascend to 2013 Lebron/1991 Jordan level and play 80 high-minute games without breaking down for them to have a chance at 70
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1925 » by DatAsh » Sun Oct 4, 2020 8:44 pm

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RCM88x wrote:Brown was better than Lue imo. Those Cavs teams from 07-10 honestly always overachieved. Can't really say the same about the Cavs from 16-18.

C'mon man you know that's entirely based on LeBron's regular season approach. We're talking about a 21-25yo still coming up with a lot of energy vs a grizzled 30+yo veteran. There's no way the latter is keeping the same energy throughout the regular season. Actually that's why I'm hopeful AD will lead the Lakers with energy and go for the big 70 even tho no one else in this thread agrees with me lololol


Indeed. I think Lebron just doesn't really care about the regular season anymore. He's got a supreme confidence now in his ability to get to the finals once he's in the playoffs, regardless of seeding(making it 10 times will do that).

I think young Lebron also cared way more about his stats, which was another driver of his better regular season efforts.
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Post#1926 » by Heej » Sun Oct 4, 2020 9:15 pm

Baski wrote:AD would need to ascend to 2013 Lebron/1991 Jordan level and play 80 high-minute games without breaking down for them to have a chance at 70

I guess I'm just placing too much faith in this version of AD. Idk why just something about this team screams 2015 Warriors to me. I doubt AD shoots this hot from mid-range again so his impact automatically goes down to like a top 10-15 peak to what's currently looking like a top 5 peak in my book. Anyone else think I'm buggin for thinking I'd only take Peak MJ, Shaq, Bron, and Curry over this AD? It just seems like he's learned some things from LeBron beyond just the passive boon imparted on his game from playing next to him.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1927 » by homecourtloss » Sun Oct 4, 2020 9:15 pm

Baski wrote:AD would need to ascend to 2013 Lebron/1991 Jordan level and play 80 high-minute games without breaking down for them to have a chance at 70


Either that or:

—PlayoffAD playing ~80 games with the same three point stroke and more of a quicker attack on the rim repertoire since the FG% on midrange jumpers (a good % of them contested this postseason) cannot last though he has unbelievable touch.

—LeBron doing what he’s doing now, but more relaxed and perhaps shooting better from three and actually 75%+ from the FT line. I see no possible way his defense can be as good as he should have been on an All-NBA defense team this season. He plays ~77 or so games.

—Rondo continues his synergy with Davis on offense. Rondo+Davis lineups have a 118.8 ORtg this postseason in 235 minutes, which is really, really good, but are trash together defensively. but doesn’t matter because the offense is so good. Additionally, Rondo is hitting open threes, 2 feet behind the 3-point line that opposing teams do not contest. In the regular season, this pairing started out with poor offense and awful defense and then progressed to good offense and trash defense. If they’re able to stay neutral with those lineups or even be a net positive like they are this post season, then there’s going to be a lot of damage done next season. I highly doubt it will come to fruition, but it’s possible.

—Caruso develops his outside shot and ball handling ability. He showed some signs in the bubble being able to create from ball screens and was able to draw quite a few fouls.

—Kuzma actually becomes the player people say he is in practice.

—Green and KCP have better seasons shooting wide open and open threes.

—Howard has the same motivation he’s had this year.

Don’t see it happening. Maybe they get some ring chasing vets who can be plus players but it’s just going to be too much workload for LeBron.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1928 » by Joey Wheeler » Sun Oct 4, 2020 9:24 pm

Heej wrote:
Baski wrote:AD would need to ascend to 2013 Lebron/1991 Jordan level and play 80 high-minute games without breaking down for them to have a chance at 70

I guess I'm just placing too much faith in this version of AD. Idk why just something about this team screams 2015 Warriors to me. I doubt AD shoots this hot from mid-range again so his impact automatically goes down to like a top 10-15 peak to what's currently looking like a top 5 peak in my book. Anyone else think I'm buggin for thinking I'd only take Peak MJ, Shaq, Bron, and Curry over this AD? It just seems like he's learned some things from LeBron beyond just the passive boon imparted on his game from playing next to him.


I definitely think you are buggin if you're taking Curry of all people over AD? AD is the superior player in the playoffs (ie when it counts) and it's not even close.
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Post#1929 » by Dupp » Sun Oct 4, 2020 9:30 pm

So glad kawhi didn’t go to the Lakers. Would have been KD at the warriors on steroids. Just awful for their legacies in comparison to winning with this team.
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Post#1930 » by Ursusamericanus » Sun Oct 4, 2020 9:39 pm

Bam and Dragic out again. Poor Heat.
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Post#1931 » by Heej » Sun Oct 4, 2020 9:43 pm

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Baski wrote:AD would need to ascend to 2013 Lebron/1991 Jordan level and play 80 high-minute games without breaking down for them to have a chance at 70

I guess I'm just placing too much faith in this version of AD. Idk why just something about this team screams 2015 Warriors to me. I doubt AD shoots this hot from mid-range again so his impact automatically goes down to like a top 10-15 peak to what's currently looking like a top 5 peak in my book. Anyone else think I'm buggin for thinking I'd only take Peak MJ, Shaq, Bron, and Curry over this AD? It just seems like he's learned some things from LeBron beyond just the passive boon imparted on his game from playing next to him.


I definitely think you are buggin if you're taking Curry of all people over AD? AD is the superior player in the playoffs (ie when it counts) and it's not even close.

To me Curry quite clearly had one of the highest peaks in NBA History and broke down by the end of the 16 run after the injury. People can point to the OKC series all they want, but that's not how injuries work. You can push thru them up to a certain point but once you pass that point you start deteriorating pretty quickly a la Kawhi in the 2nd round for the past 2 years now
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1932 » by therealbig3 » Sun Oct 4, 2020 9:45 pm

Heej wrote:
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Heej wrote:I guess I'm just placing too much faith in this version of AD. Idk why just something about this team screams 2015 Warriors to me. I doubt AD shoots this hot from mid-range again so his impact automatically goes down to like a top 10-15 peak to what's currently looking like a top 5 peak in my book. Anyone else think I'm buggin for thinking I'd only take Peak MJ, Shaq, Bron, and Curry over this AD? It just seems like he's learned some things from LeBron beyond just the passive boon imparted on his game from playing next to him.


I definitely think you are buggin if you're taking Curry of all people over AD? AD is the superior player in the playoffs (ie when it counts) and it's not even close.

To me Curry quite clearly had one of the highest peaks in NBA History and broke down by the end of the 16 run after the injury. People can point to the OKC series all they want, but that's not how injuries work. You can push thru them up to a certain point but once you pass that point you start deteriorating pretty quickly a la Kawhi in the 2nd round for the past 2 years now


Then I guess he keeps breaking down almost every year? Isn't that a point of criticism then, like it is for CP3?

IDK, I think it's crazy to put current AD over peak Russell, Hakeem, Duncan, and Garnett, and I wouldn't put Curry over any of them.

If Curry is in the convo based on being the offensive GOAT, I'd say his playoff performances clearly don't demonstrate that and Nash should be considered before Curry in that case.
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Post#1933 » by Dupp » Sun Oct 4, 2020 10:02 pm

Dragic and bam injuries really taking a lot of shine of the Lakers finals win and taking a lot of the fun out of the series
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Post#1934 » by Dupp » Sun Oct 4, 2020 10:04 pm

Hyaena wrote:Bam and Dragic out again. Poor Heat.



Poor everyone.
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Post#1935 » by therealbig3 » Sun Oct 4, 2020 10:06 pm

I do think Spo would have made some adjustments and Dragic and Bam would have at least made the series interesting. Right now, it is just straight up boring, only question is who wins FMVP as of right now.

And obviously we'll have to hear about all the injuries the Heat had and how LeBron got lucky.
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Post#1936 » by therealbig3 » Sun Oct 4, 2020 10:07 pm

How much worse would a guy like peak D-Rob have been in AD's place, honestly? And I have no qualms saying D-Rob was a better defender than AD, clearly.
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Post#1937 » by Ursusamericanus » Sun Oct 4, 2020 10:08 pm

Yeah, prior to the series starting I had Lakers in 6. Adjusted that to Lakers in 5 after Bam got hurt in the ECF because I figured he'd be less than 100%. Now it's just a joke.

But I also get the feeling the guys also just want to go home and end this season. Heat won't go down without a valiant effort but man this is over.
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Post#1938 » by nzahir » Sun Oct 4, 2020 10:18 pm

Hope we don't let up tonight

Hope Lebron dominates and takes the fmvp

AD will get another shot or more (likely more than 1). Lebron will have an even tougher time to win a fmvp after this year
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1939 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Oct 4, 2020 10:37 pm

Heej wrote:
Joey Wheeler wrote:
Heej wrote:I guess I'm just placing too much faith in this version of AD. Idk why just something about this team screams 2015 Warriors to me. I doubt AD shoots this hot from mid-range again so his impact automatically goes down to like a top 10-15 peak to what's currently looking like a top 5 peak in my book. Anyone else think I'm buggin for thinking I'd only take Peak MJ, Shaq, Bron, and Curry over this AD? It just seems like he's learned some things from LeBron beyond just the passive boon imparted on his game from playing next to him.


I definitely think you are buggin if you're taking Curry of all people over AD? AD is the superior player in the playoffs (ie when it counts) and it's not even close.

To me Curry quite clearly had one of the highest peaks in NBA History and broke down by the end of the 16 run after the injury. People can point to the OKC series all they want, but that's not how injuries work. You can push thru them up to a certain point but once you pass that point you start deteriorating pretty quickly a la Kawhi in the 2nd round for the past 2 years now


I see things similarly to you.

But what I'll also say is that what we've seen with time is that Curry has to get into a Groove. He can't just turn on alpha mode, he has to ignite. Once he's in said Groove, he can stay there indefinitely, which is what we saw through much of the '15-16 season. But to this point in his career it's often seemed like he specifically got knocked out of it at various times in the playoffs, which has always felt pretty plausible for a small guy whose game is based on a never-before-witnessed efficient basketball skill that wasn't supposed to be able to be efficient.

I really feel like what we've seen is that younger Curry could get literally physically knocked out of his rhythm and the mid-dynasty Curry could get knocked out by deferring to someone else. When that someone else went down, after a brief stall, Curry caught fire and largely maintained it for the rest of the playoffs, which was the last meaningful basketball we saw from Curry.

So now there's a lot of questions going forward about whether these issues are something he can fundamentally get passed in the future without getting tripped up by them. I like his chances, but if he does it, it will mean he figures some stuff out that he hadn't quite figured out before.

And I note that LeBron went through his own version of this journey. He got there.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7) 

Post#1940 » by thebigbird » Sun Oct 4, 2020 10:42 pm

Dupp wrote:Dragic and bam injuries really taking a lot of shine of the Lakers finals win and taking a lot of the fun out of the series

After how bad LeBron’s luck was during his second Cleveland stint, there’s nothing in the world that would make me enjoy this potential title less than I will if it happens. I feel bad for the injured players, but I’m going to enjoy the hell outta this ring regardless.

(Assuming it happens obviously)

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