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Triple7 wrote:Olynyk > Theis
ConstableGeneva wrote:Triple7 wrote:Olynyk > Theis
Defensively, it was not a one-on-one thing for Miami. The whole team's positioning/help was great denying AD to even get the ball to begin with while also containing Lebron's drives. I can count on one hand the number of times AD actually got the ball in the post. So Olynyk didn't really need to battle with the big boys down low. KO has always been a really good positional defender.
Triple7 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Triple7 wrote:Olynyk > Theis
Defensively, it was not a one-on-one thing for Miami. The whole team's positioning/help was great denying AD to even get the ball to begin with while also containing Lebron's drives. I can count on one hand the number of times AD actually got the ball in the post. So Olynyk didn't really need to battle with the big boys down low. KO has always been a really good positional defender.
It’s not just on defense, but more so on offense. He is just way way better than Theis. Theis is a joke at most games on offense. I don’t know of any big that passes up a shot in front of the ring, against smaller defenders than Theis did this playoffs.
ConstableGeneva wrote:Triple7 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Defensively, it was not a one-on-one thing for Miami. The whole team's positioning/help was great denying AD to even get the ball to begin with while also containing Lebron's drives. I can count on one hand the number of times AD actually got the ball in the post. So Olynyk didn't really need to battle with the big boys down low. KO has always been a really good positional defender.
It’s not just on defense, but more so on offense. He is just way way better than Theis. Theis is a joke at most games on offense. I don’t know of any big that passes up a shot in front of the ring, against smaller defenders than Theis did this playoffs.
KO is a better offensive player than Theis, who is a better defender than KO. I wouldn't bother arguing this further lol.
100proof wrote:Decided to run a big comparison of statistics between all NBA centers that have:
a) Started at least 1 game
b) played in at least 20 games
c) played in at least 20 minutes per game
These are the results for Theis (39 qualified centers)
fg%: 11th
3pt%: 17th
3pta: 19th
ft%: 12th
rebounds: 25th
assists: 19th
steals: 26th
blocks: 14th
+/-: 10th
offensive rating: 13th
defensive rating: 4th
net rating: 4th
assist %: 19th
rebound %: 27th
efg%: 8th
ts%: 9th
opponent 2nd chance points: 4th
opponent points in the paint: 2nd
defensive win shares: 11
19 categories with an average position of 13.5.
The rebounds really bring theis score down, but to touch on that, our team is 8th in the NBA at rebounding overall and he is one of the only Centers that play with top shelf rebounding wings (Tatum, Hayward and Brown all averaged over 6 per game for the season and Smart and Kemba averaged another 4 per game each.
Tatum was top 10 in rebounds for PFs
Hayward and Brown were both top 10 for rebounds for guards/sfs
ConstableGeneva wrote:Basketball-reference.com should check its tracking algorithm. Must be something wrong with it. 'Cos I did not expect this...
Theis jumped up the Celtics postseason career leaderboards. It was essentially his first postseason.
Not bad for someone who should just be a backup.
JHTruth wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Basketball-reference.com should check its tracking algorithm. Must be something wrong with it. 'Cos I did not expect this...
Theis jumped up the Celtics postseason career leaderboards. It was essentially his first postseason.Spoiler:
Not bad for someone who should just be a backup.
These numbers are waaaaaaaaaay off. For example Theis only had a TS% of .578 this playoffs.
ConstableGeneva wrote:JHTruth wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Basketball-reference.com should check its tracking algorithm. Must be something wrong with it. 'Cos I did not expect this...
Theis jumped up the Celtics postseason career leaderboards. It was essentially his first postseason.Spoiler:
Not bad for someone who should just be a backup.
These numbers are waaaaaaaaaay off. For example Theis only had a TS% of .578 this playoffs.
Woops. My bad. Those are regular season career leaderboards.
ConstableGeneva wrote:Basketball-reference.com should check its tracking algorithm. Must be something wrong with it. 'Cos I did not expect this...
Theis jumped up the Celtics postseason regular season career leaderboards. It was essentially his first postseason year as starting center.
Not bad for someone who should just be a backup.
EDIT: Regular season career leaderboards, not postseason. Thanks, JHTruth, for the catch.
Celts17Pride wrote:Danny Theis as a starter on a championship team is not good enough. Didn’t we learn that in this year’s playoffs?
Danny Theis had an awesome year and saved the Celtics this year because they really didn’t have a full time center. Theis was phenomenal. Theis is a stop gap. Theis at the starting center position is not good enough to win a championship.
I have no problem keeping Theis as a quality backup but if the Celtics want to go farther in the playoffs they need an upgrade
Triple7 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Danny Theis as a starter on a championship team is not good enough. Didn’t we learn that in this year’s playoffs?
Danny Theis had an awesome year and saved the Celtics this year because they really didn’t have a full time center. Theis was phenomenal. Theis is a stop gap. Theis at the starting center position is not good enough to win a championship.
I have no problem keeping Theis as a quality backup but if the Celtics want to go farther in the playoffs they need an upgrade
Exactly!
ConstableGeneva wrote:Basketball-reference.com should check its tracking algorithm. Must be something wrong with it. 'Cos I did not expect this...
Theis jumped up the Celtics postseason regular season career leaderboards. It was essentially his first postseason year as starting center.
Not bad for someone who should just be a backup.
EDIT: Regular season career leaderboards, not postseason. Thanks, JHTruth, for the catch.
playa-hater wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Basketball-reference.com should check its tracking algorithm. Must be something wrong with it. 'Cos I did not expect this...
Theis jumped up the Celtics postseason regular season career leaderboards. It was essentially his first postseason year as starting center.Spoiler:
Not bad for someone who should just be a backup.
EDIT: Regular season career leaderboards, not postseason. Thanks, JHTruth, for the catch.
One reason why I like my eye test > analytics ... According to these numbers Theis > McHale.
ConstableGeneva wrote:playa-hater wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:Basketball-reference.com should check its tracking algorithm. Must be something wrong with it. 'Cos I did not expect this...
Theis jumped up the Celtics postseason regular season career leaderboards. It was essentially his first postseason year as starting center.Spoiler:
Not bad for someone who should just be a backup.
EDIT: Regular season career leaderboards, not postseason. Thanks, JHTruth, for the catch.
One reason why I like my eye test > analytics ... According to these numbers Theis > McHale.
LOL I wouldn't go that far. Theis had one really good (efficient) regular season. McHale and the other names above did it consistently for several seasons. Reading numbers without context and watching film is not analytics.
Fencer reregistered wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:playa-hater wrote:
One reason why I like my eye test > analytics ... According to these numbers Theis > McHale.
LOL I wouldn't go that far. Theis had one really good (efficient) regular season. McHale and the other names above did it consistently for several seasons. Reading numbers without context and watching film is not analytics.
The bigger flaw is that those numbers are cherry-picked. E.g., Theis' great scoring efficiency was on low volume, much like Perkins'. That said, numbers and the eye test both suggest that, like Perk, Theis is a credible 5th-best starter on a championship team.
Fencer reregistered wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:playa-hater wrote:
One reason why I like my eye test > analytics ... According to these numbers Theis > McHale.
LOL I wouldn't go that far. Theis had one really good (efficient) regular season. McHale and the other names above did it consistently for several seasons. Reading numbers without context and watching film is not analytics.
The bigger flaw is that those numbers are cherry-picked. E.g., Theis' great scoring efficiency was on low volume, much like Perkins'. That said, numbers and the eye test both suggest that, like Perk, Theis is a credible 5th-best starter on a championship team.
