2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[ShayDee]

Would GSW fans be interested in trading #1 for #6 and a heavily protected 1st round pick (3yr lottery protection) ?

What does heavy protection mean? Top 20? Why can't you give us top 10? You won't be in the lottery anyways if you plan the offseason right

[Little Digger]

Semi Daily Wishy Washy BIG BOARD

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Wisdom for today...

“You're under no obligation to be the same person you were 5 minutes ago.”

—Alan Watts

1. Ball
2. Wiseman
3. Advija
4. Vassell
5. Williams
6. Okongwu
7. Okoro
8. Terry
9. Hayes
10. Haliburton

[jason bourne]

For example, Wiseman's measurements aren't like Joel Embiid's or what he's reportedly at. Somewhere between Myles Turner and Rudy Gobert. He's not 7' 1". No 7' 6" wingspan. It's less, but not by that much. Here's the closest measurement I could find from the Memphis Tigers -- 7' 4.5" wingspan, 9' 6" standing reach, 247 lbs --

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Not certain of his height, but I think it's less than 7' 0" barefoot. nbadraft.net has 6' 11.5" barefoot, 7' 0.5" shoes. If Wiseman was able to be measured at the combine, then we'd have a better idea.

Silly as it sounds, in the past players’ heights have been listed with shoes rather than barefoot. That’s how for years Draymond has been listed as 6’7”, when he’s probably actually no more than 6’5” without shoes. I think they changed the standard last year to adopt the “without shoes” as the official listing. But if the measurement was that Wiseman is/was 7’0.5” with shoes, then he’s a 7-footer in what we think of historically.

I note that that measurement was about a year ago, and it’s not inconceivable anyway that he might have grown a little bit more both in height and reach, so I’d suspect the 7’1” with 7’6” reach may not be over-stated at all (per the way we’ve historically captured height - with shoes). And if so, he’s right in there with Embiid and only slightly behind Gobert.

Dang. I get sucked back in again. My main point was no one really knows James Wiseman and knowing his definitive measurements is one example. I think the most extensive interview he gave was to Woj with his crying and excuses after being suspended. I thought it showed he was sawft and had trouble with adversity, i.e. became depressed. He also could not raise the money to continue playing, i.e. he didn't even try to get a job and a loan. Next, he decided against Coach Penny's wishes/advice and quit before his suspension was over. Anyway, the interview doesn't really make a positive statement about him. Thus, what are teams left to go on? His three games. That isn't enough to make a good judgement on a top 3 pick. Thus, Wiseman has fallen and probably someone will take a chance on him around #8. It's probably not as bad as with Michael Porter Jr for the 2018 draft.

Moreover, It has become a joke what Wiseman said in the Woj interview in Memphis. He blames everyone else except his mother or maybe he does include his mother -- https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/mark-giannotto/2020/02/22/james-wiseman-espn-interview-memphis-tigers-penny-hardaway-woj/4841894002/.

[TB]

I'm not worried about Wiseman exact measurements, we all know he's going to be one of the bigger dudes in the league and most likely more athletic than 90% of centers in the league. Size and athleticism will not be an issue.

And while i'd have no problem taking Wiseman 2, it's mostly because i think he'd potentially be BPA, not because the Lakers have Brow. People are going overboard trying to match up with the Lakers bigs. Nobody we are getting for the center spot is going to stop Brow... but guess what? We have sent him and other bigs home for half a decade. We need strong, switchable, wings that can hit shots. Duncan Robinson, Herro, Iggy, all those dudes are getting roasted on the perimeter and in transition.

If we get Wiseman, awesome. But we also need to get guys like Thad, Jae, Oubre, etc that are switchable forwards that can rebound and hit shots.

[Little Digger]

We need our old defensive versatility back and Ron Adams to hang around

With a top 20 pick, Always go with BPA ...Don Nelson did

[jason bourne]

I rather get exact measurements which are nice from combine measurements. Of course, we know not all players are there to participate, so we have to rely on lesser accurate sources. We've had Donovan Mitchell being listed as 6' 3" and he turned out to be 6' 1". He's a SG. Also, he was listed with a 6' 10" wingspan by Draft Express and its author at the time, Mike Schmitz. He can't be that now, can he? Hm... what does that say for Anthony Edwards?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Donovan-Mitchell-84680/

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2019/10/21/jazzs-donovan-mitchell/

[ShayDee]

Oh no. Bane is trending on BBref(college). Some teams must be monitoring him. Might be tough for us to get him now

[DAWill1128]

I don't mind Wiseman shooting jumpers, Olynk and Leonard have done a good job drawing the Lakers bigs from the paint and it's given the Heat a chance even undermanned.

One thing about operating on the block is you have to have a strong base and that's just gonna take time in the weight room to fill out.

Like KG I would say the short face up game is where Wiseman has the best shot to expand beyond dunks in the short term.

[Little Digger]

There’s a dog projected to go in the top10 and I want him for my Charcoal State Warriors..


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[Scoots1994]

I don't mind Wiseman shooting jumpers, Olynk and Leonard have done a good job drawing the Lakers bigs from the paint and it's given the Heat a chance even undermanned.

One thing about operating on the block is you have to have a strong base and that's just gonna take time in the weight room to fill out.

Like KG I would say the short face up game is where Wiseman has the best shot to expand beyond dunks in the short term.

Operating on the block is more about will than mass, and the issue with a shooting big is that it's a lot easier to shoot than to bang and many fall in love with the shot and stop banging.

[northoakland510]

If Wiseman is there at #2 that's the pick.

[Coxy]

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I've only watched the highlight vids, but another guy that I think looks like a dog and could be the steal of the draft, is Patrick Williams. I love his all out attack of his man when he gets the ball, kind of tunnell ball vision. Love guys like that, they just have that agro.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

What happen to all the Devin Vassell hype?

[cdubbz]

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Mike Schmitz with ESPN had a nice long interview with Okoro breaking down his game. I love how he knows defense is his elite skill and takes a lot of pride in it. Ij the clips hes guarding point guards and wings - he talks about wanting to guard the best players.

Would love him on the team to add wing depth, but offensively he isnt as strong.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

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Mike Schmitz with ESPN had a nice long interview with Okoro breaking down his game. I love how he knows defense is his elite skill and takes a lot of pride in it. Ij the clips hes guarding point guards and wings - he talks about wanting to guard the best players.

Would love him on the team to add wing depth, but offensively he isnt as strong.

Vassell has elite defense, as well. And can shoot with with a high arc.

[cdubbz]

There’s a dog projected to go in the top10 and I want him for my Charcoal State Warriors..


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Mike Schmitz with ESPN had a nice long interview with Okoro breaking down his game. I love how he knows defense is his elite skill and takes a lot of pride in it. Ij the clips hes guarding point guards and wings - he talks about wanting to guard the best players.

Would love him on the team to add wing depth, but offensively he isnt as strong.

Vassell has elite defense, as well. And can shoot with with a high arc.

Vassellnis very nice too, but I like Okoros size and weight for next season. Okoro is more ready for the physicality of NBA

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Mike Schmitz with ESPN had a nice long interview with Okoro breaking down his game. I love how he knows defense is his elite skill and takes a lot of pride in it. Ij the clips hes guarding point guards and wings - he talks about wanting to guard the best players.

Would love him on the team to add wing depth, but offensively he isnt as strong.

Vassell has elite defense, as well. And can shoot with with a high arc.

Vassellnis very nice too, but I like Okoros size and weight for next season. Okoro is more ready for the physicality of NBA

Agreed. Definitely has great defensive awareness aka Iggy. Definitely very athletic, too. Kawhi came into the league with a "broken" jumper. But, look at where he is now. So, with repetition, he has potential to reach it. This system will help him as he'll mostly be taking 3s when his feet are set.

[Dom801e]

I like Vassel, Hayes, and Patrick Williams.

[Free Ballin]

Vassell has elite defense, as well. And can shoot with with a high arc.

Vassellnis very nice too, but I like Okoros size and weight for next season. Okoro is more ready for the physicality of NBA

Agreed. Definitely has great defensive awareness aka Iggy. Definitely very athletic, too. Kawhi came into the league with a "broken" jumper. But, look at where he is now. So, with repetition, he has potential to reach it. This system will help him as he'll mostly be taking 3s when his feet are set.

Repetition didn’t help Tony Allen or Roberson. You’re talking a bench defensive specialist with the #2 pick if that shot doesn’t get worked out. Would rather play it safe with Vassell if we were to go with a wing defender. Really hope the Dubs can trade down, just not loving the options at 2.

[Scoots1994]

Vassell is still interesting as a defender and shooter, but he's not a ball handler, not a slasher, not adept around the basket, is light and doesn't show much strength in the way he plays. Because of his lack of a ball handling attacking game he doesn't draw many fouls.

There are reasons he's a mid-round pick in most projections.