How Good is Jimmy Butler?

[Butler4thewin]

Trading him was such a bad move we should all quit watching bulls games and buying any merchandise its obvious our fo is only about the money

[weneeda2guard]

Trading him was such a bad move we should all quit watching bulls games and buying any merchandise its obvious our fo is only about the money

Maybe you been out the loop

The people who traded jimmy are gone

The coach that had a issue with Jimmy is gone. All those mistakes were the mistakes of the old regime

[Am2626]

He just outplayed Lebron James in an NBA finals game down 2-0.

What a player.

This doesn't even come close to describing how well he just played which is pretty crazy.

By the numbers, he just put in a top 5 finals game of all time. Which is a preposterous statement, but an uber efficient 40 point triple-double is some rare air. That was nuts.

It is probably the best finals game anyone not named Shaq/Lebron/Jordan ever played in the history of the NBA.

He was unreal.

Yes he was outstanding but it also shows just how much more talented the Lakers are than the Heat. It took probably the best game of Butler’s career to beat them. I’m hoping for a miracle to see the Heat beat the Lakers but I can’t see that happen unless LeBron or AD go down with an injury. If that does happen it probably would be one of LeBron’s biggest failures as a player. Hoping for it.

[drosereturn]

Trading him was such a bad move we should all quit watching bulls games and buying any merchandise its obvious our fo is only about the money

Give credit to Butler. He obviously made massive improvements compared to his chicago, min days he plays like a smaller version of Lebron for Miami. Some players need a change of scenery to get to that next level.

[TeamMan]

Trading him was such a bad move we should all quit watching bulls games and buying any merchandise its obvious our fo is only about the money

Maybe you been out the loop

The people who traded jimmy are gone

The coach that had a issue with Jimmy is gone. All those mistakes were the mistakes of the old regime

I remember the reaction around the NBA when the trade was made = "That's all they got!"

But the old FO were desperate to get rid of Jimmy before he became a URFA and Thibs knew how good he was.

If any time, that would have been the time to boycott the team.

Now, after many years of suffering through the profit driven motives of the old FO, maybe, just maybe, we are seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.

It appears that JR finally got the message, that if you want to get something out, then you have to put something in.

We still have to wait and see.

[RedBulls23]

Trading him was such a bad move we should all quit watching bulls games and buying any merchandise its obvious our fo is only about the money

Gar/Pax have been removed of their duties.

[The Box Office]

WHy you guys still crying for Jimmy Butler no one crying for Derrick Rose anymore? Live in the future!!! Bulls have a decent front office and A decent coach will help Lavine reach his potential.

That's terrible advice. Never live in the future when the future is not guaranteed and unpredictable. Try not to live in the past either which I see a lot of people are revisiting in this thread.

Live right now. In the moment. That's the best we can do.

Anyways, I wrote somewhere that Jimmy Butler is a Superstar in one of these old threads. Maybe it was this one. Again, I was one of the earliest ones to say that Jimmy Butler had to be traded. GarPax did the right thing.

- GarPax was incapable of building around Butler.
- We also didn't have the coach either.
- It took a few years after leaving the Bulls for Butler to reach this 40 point, 11 rebounds, 13 assists Finals potential. No one can ever predict this. Not even Butler himself.
-Miami Heat has all the experience, Front Office, coaching staff, and players to support Butler.

I'm happy for Butler. What a tough as nails player. GarPax did great by drafting him. They just sucked at supporting him. Miami IS the place for him. Not us.

[fleet]

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[Ice Man]

Give credit to Butler. He obviously made massive improvements compared to his chicago

Nah. He was this player for Chicago from 2015 through 2017. However, the Chicago Bulls organization didn't realize what it had. Miami's organization does. That is the difference.

[SfBull]

Trading him was such a bad move we should all quit watching bulls games and buying any merchandise its obvious our fo is only about the money

Give credit to Butler. He obviously made massive improvements compared to his chicago, min days he plays like a smaller version of Lebron for Miami. Some players need a change of scenery to get to that next level.

He could have evolved playing for the Bulls ,our great previous FO just screwed it up.I can't watch Butler playing for the Heat without feeling enraged with that asinine trade.

[SfBull]

WHy you guys still crying for Jimmy Butler no one crying for Derrick Rose anymore? Live in the future!!! Bulls have a decent front office and A decent coach will help Lavine reach his potential.

That's terrible advice. Never live in the future when the future is not guaranteed and unpredictable. Try not to live in the past either which I see a lot of people are revisiting in this thread.

Live right now. In the moment. That's the best we can do.

Anyways, I wrote somewhere that Jimmy Butler is a Superstar in one of these old threads. Maybe it was this one. Again, I was one of the earliest ones to say that Jimmy Butler had to be traded. GarPax did the right thing.

- GarPax was incapable of building around Butler.
- We also didn't have the coach either.
- It took a few years after leaving the Bulls for Butler to reach this 40 point, 11 rebounds, 13 assists Finals potential. No one can ever predict this. Not even Butler himself.
-Miami Heat has all the experience, Front Office, coaching staff, and players to support Butler.

I'm happy for Butler. What a tough as nails player. GarPax did great by drafting him. They just sucked at supporting him. Miami IS the place for him. Not us.

Our role is to develop young players for some time hoping to build ( or rebuild) a contender.We're far from that even with a new FO and coaching staff bringing some expectations.

[fleet]

Give credit to Butler. He obviously made massive improvements compared to his chicago

Nah. He was this player for Chicago from 2015 through 2017. However, the Chicago Bulls organization didn't realize what it had. Miami's organization does. That is the difference.

I know we don’t use old fashioned stats like PER, but his last year in Chicago his PER was around 2 points better (bout 25) that it is this season. He sure was this player, he probably peaked back then.

[dougthonus]

Give credit to Butler. He obviously made massive improvements compared to his chicago, min days he plays like a smaller version of Lebron for Miami. Some players need a change of scenery to get to that next level.

Statistically, his last year with the Bulls was the peak of his career. I'm not sure how much better he really is now.

[dougthonus]

Nah. He was this player for Chicago from 2015 through 2017. However, the Chicago Bulls organization didn't realize what it had. Miami's organization does. That is the difference.

I don't think Jimmy Butler was worth a 5 year supermax, which is what he likely would have be at if he stayed in Chicago. The feeling that the Bulls had of being stuck overpaying Butler or watching him leave was still legitimate. I also think after they made bad other moves that they didn't have assets to do anything exciting around Butler.

In effect, their mistake wasn't trading Jimmy per se, their mistake was putting themselves in a position where trading him made sense and then after trading him not committing to rebuilding by being really bad and getting a better pick in 2017. I think by the time they traded Butler, they were in a no win situation due to their other errors.

[Ice Man]

I know we don’t use old fashioned stats like PER, but his last year in Chicago his PER was around 2 points better (bout 25) that it is this season. He sure was this player, he probably peaked back then.

The one concession I will make is that he's smarter now. He always was a high BBIQ player, that's not what I am talking about, but instead understanding how to help his teammates. Sometimes -- mostly -- they benefit from him deferring, and letting them have their shots and their moments in the spotlight. But sometimes they just need a Daddy. That was the case yesterday, and Jimmy responded. He stepped up and was the Papa for a nervous, shell-shocked team that was trying to overcome the twin problems of facing Lebron/AD in the Finals and losing Bam/Dragic to injury.

[Ice Man]

I don't think Jimmy Butler was worth a 5 year supermax, which is what he likely would have be at if he stayed in Chicago. The feeling that the Bulls had of being stuck overpaying Butler or watching him leave was still legitimate. I also think after they made bad other moves that they didn't have assets to do anything exciting around Butler.

In effect, their mistake wasn't trading Jimmy per se, their mistake was putting themselves in a position where trading him made sense and then after trading him not committing to rebuilding by being really bad and getting a better pick in 2017. I think by the time they traded Butler, they were in a no win situation due to their other errors.

Fair enough. And Butler almost certainly would have left if not offered the supermax. That contract structured has led to some strange outcomes.

[dougthonus]

Fair enough. And Butler almost certainly would have left if not offered the supermax. That contract structured has led to some strange outcomes.

Super max has become a big negative for the league IMO.

[ATRAIN53]

Guy knows how to get to the line when the game is on the line.

It's an ELITE skill.

If you could put Butlers mindset and work ethic and desire in Anthony Davis you'd have an unstoppable player.
He's fun to watch. It's Joprdan-esque. He has that same chip on his shoulder.

Is he a HOF player?

[Andi Obst]

Super max has become a big negative for the league IMO.

Completely agree. It was supposed to help smaller markets to keep their superstars around, which it clearly doesn't (Davis being the latest example). Instead, it forces teams to ridiculously overpay non-superstar players to keep them while risking losing all their finacial flexibility for the next 5 years on...one guy. One major injury to that guy and it's over (John Wall says hi).

[Ice Man]

Is he a HOF player?

In 2019, Vlade Divac, Sydney Moncrief, and Bobby Jones were inducted. By those standards, Butler is a shoo-in. However, I hope that those standards do not persist.