Hayward and 14 for 6

[Soulyss]

Trading Hayward for a rookie feels like exactly the opposite of what Boston should be doing right now. They need a real C/PF and they should use Hayward and assets to get it and go all-in with Brown & Taytum.

[Buzzard]

Trading Hayward for a rookie feels like exactly the opposite of what Boston should be doing right now. They need a real C/PF and they should use Hayward and assets to get it and go all-in with Brown & Taytum.

I totally agree with this from Boston's point of view. Its ridiculous that they want to add a rookie. Three years from now, Kemba will be 33 and at the end of his deal. This seasons rookie will just be hitting his stride at that time.

Atlanta's perspective, this would be pure recklessness to trade a high pick for a one year rental. If Ainge truly wanted Atlanta's assets, they should have tried trading Hayward a year sooner.

[Scoot McGroot]

alot of people sleeping on Hayward like he is Batum or Winslow levels of Broken.

Completely forgetting his on court impact outside of a couple of bad luck injuries this season. (hand caught on a screen he was ighting through breaking it) and a bad ankle sprain in the first game of the playoff just landing on theis' foot when going for a rebound. Anyone who has played basketball has done that at least once.

Messed up, but can happen. Unusal for both to happen in a single season.

his oper 36 and per 100 numbers were at his allstar level in Utah, and he was shooting career best numbers. 17,6.5,4 on excelling percentages. Only 12 players did that this season.

he played only 5 less games than Jaylen Brown this past season. 5 less than Jimmy Butler, 5 less than Kawhi, 5 less than Westbrook.

Unfortunate he had that Ankle sprain in the playoffs, but that could happen to anyone.

No one. Not one person realistically thinks or has referred to Hayward as Batum levels of broken. If that’s your takeaway instead of just that Hayward and his massive salary may not be the prime direction for a young Hawks team, that’s solely on you.

[100proof]

alot of people sleeping on Hayward like he is Batum or Winslow levels of Broken.

Completely forgetting his on court impact outside of a couple of bad luck injuries this season. (hand caught on a screen he was ighting through breaking it) and a bad ankle sprain in the first game of the playoff just landing on theis' foot when going for a rebound. Anyone who has played basketball has done that at least once.

Messed up, but can happen. Unusal for both to happen in a single season.

his oper 36 and per 100 numbers were at his allstar level in Utah, and he was shooting career best numbers. 17,6.5,4 on excelling percentages. Only 12 players did that this season.

he played only 5 less games than Jaylen Brown this past season. 5 less than Jimmy Butler, 5 less than Kawhi, 5 less than Westbrook.

Unfortunate he had that Ankle sprain in the playoffs, but that could happen to anyone.

No one. Not one person realistically thinks or has referred to Hayward as Batum levels of broken. If that’s your takeaway instead of just that Hayward and his massive salary may not be the prime direction for a young Hawks team, that’s solely on you.

It doesnt matter. There has been alot of posts towards Hayward as him being a negative asset and boston needing to attach a pick to him

They dont.

If atlanta had even a minute inclination that Hayward would be open to resigning in atlanta after spending a year there then they should without a doubt make the deal

Hayward puts them in the playoffs, pick number 6 keeps them picking in the top 10 next season again with the riak of watching collins walk away.

[raleigh]

Hayward puts them in the playoffs, pick number 6 keeps them picking in the top 10 next season again with the riak of watching collins walk away.

You started off fine by defending Hayward's value, but then you went too far.

[Buzzard]

alot of people sleeping on Hayward like he is Batum or Winslow levels of Broken.

Completely forgetting his on court impact outside of a couple of bad luck injuries this season. (hand caught on a screen he was ighting through breaking it) and a bad ankle sprain in the first game of the playoff just landing on theis' foot when going for a rebound. Anyone who has played basketball has done that at least once.

Messed up, but can happen. Unusal for both to happen in a single season.

his oper 36 and per 100 numbers were at his allstar level in Utah, and he was shooting career best numbers. 17,6.5,4 on excelling percentages. Only 12 players did that this season.

he played only 5 less games than Jaylen Brown this past season. 5 less than Jimmy Butler, 5 less than Kawhi, 5 less than Westbrook.

Unfortunate he had that Ankle sprain in the playoffs, but that could happen to anyone.

No one. Not one person realistically thinks or has referred to Hayward as Batum levels of broken. If that’s your takeaway instead of just that Hayward and his massive salary may not be the prime direction for a young Hawks team, that’s solely on you.

It doesnt matter. There has been alot of posts towards Hayward as him being a negative asset and boston needing to attach a pick to him

They dont.

If atlanta had even a minute inclination that Hayward would be open to resigning in atlanta after spending a year there then they should without a doubt make the deal

Hayward puts them in the playoffs, pick number 6 keeps them picking in the top 10 next season again with the riak of watching collins walk away.

Hayward is more valuable to Boston than other teams. They do not have to give up any assets to get him; they just have to pay him. Other than the Hawks and Knicks who can absorb his contract into cap, 27 other teams must give something up plus pay him.

Collins is a RFA and cannot walk. It will take Hayward telling Atlanta he will stay there for them to offer any assets at all for him. A contender could see Hayward as the missing player; but then there is two problems. Matching up contracts and its a very small list of teams who think they are only one player away.

[Laimbeer]

The Celtics would be fortunate to unload Hayward for nothing.

[100proof]

No one. Not one person realistically thinks or has referred to Hayward as Batum levels of broken. If that’s your takeaway instead of just that Hayward and his massive salary may not be the prime direction for a young Hawks team, that’s solely on you.

It doesnt matter. There has been alot of posts towards Hayward as him being a negative asset and boston needing to attach a pick to him

They dont.

If atlanta had even a minute inclination that Hayward would be open to resigning in atlanta after spending a year there then they should without a doubt make the deal

Hayward puts them in the playoffs, pick number 6 keeps them picking in the top 10 next season again with the riak of watching collins walk away.

Hayward is more valuable to Boston than other teams. They do not have to give up any assets to get him; they just have to pay him. Other than the Hawks and Knicks who can absorb his contract into cap, 27 other teams must give something up plus pay him.

Collins is a RFA and cannot walk. It will take Hayward telling Atlanta he will stay there for them to offer any assets at all for him. A contender could see Hayward as the missing player; but then there is two problems. Matching up contracts and its a very small list of teams who think they are only one player away.

I do not disagree with this. Atlanta can offer him a contract at the end of the season, but there is a very good chance he will not accept it.

The chances of resigning him in the offseason are higher than signing him.

What I mean by that is, if you trade for Gordon he will have to get a house, move his family of 4 down to Atlanta, get them in school, etc. Its a big job, a big deal. So once he has already done it he will be much more receptive to staying there past the remaining season on his contract. As he nor his wife, will want to go through all that again.

[jayu70]

It doesnt matter. There has been alot of posts towards Hayward as him being a negative asset and boston needing to attach a pick to him

They dont.

If atlanta had even a minute inclination that Hayward would be open to resigning in atlanta after spending a year there then they should without a doubt make the deal

Hayward puts them in the playoffs, pick number 6 keeps them picking in the top 10 next season again with the riak of watching collins walk away.

Hayward is more valuable to Boston than other teams. They do not have to give up any assets to get him; they just have to pay him. Other than the Hawks and Knicks who can absorb his contract into cap, 27 other teams must give something up plus pay him.

Collins is a RFA and cannot walk. It will take Hayward telling Atlanta he will stay there for them to offer any assets at all for him. A contender could see Hayward as the missing player; but then there is two problems. Matching up contracts and its a very small list of teams who think they are only one player away.

I do not disagree with this. Atlanta can offer him a contract at the end of the season, but there is a very good chance he will not accept it.

The chances of resigning him in the offseason are higher than signing him.

What I mean by that is, if you trade for Gordon he will have to get a house, move his family of 4 down to Atlanta, get them in school, etc. Its a big job, a big deal. So once he has already done it he will be much more receptive to staying there past the remaining season on his contract. As he nor his wife, will want to go through all that again.

I disagree, I actually thinks it's more likely he leaves his family where they are currently until he determines his FA destination at the end of next season. He's not going to make that big of a commitment until he gets a feel for the Hawks and living in Atlanta.

[Texas Chuck]

Gordon Hayward would not leave his family for the better part of a year. That much seems obvious.

[100proof]

Hayward is more valuable to Boston than other teams. They do not have to give up any assets to get him; they just have to pay him. Other than the Hawks and Knicks who can absorb his contract into cap, 27 other teams must give something up plus pay him.

Collins is a RFA and cannot walk. It will take Hayward telling Atlanta he will stay there for them to offer any assets at all for him. A contender could see Hayward as the missing player; but then there is two problems. Matching up contracts and its a very small list of teams who think they are only one player away.

I do not disagree with this. Atlanta can offer him a contract at the end of the season, but there is a very good chance he will not accept it.

The chances of resigning him in the offseason are higher than signing him.

What I mean by that is, if you trade for Gordon he will have to get a house, move his family of 4 down to Atlanta, get them in school, etc. Its a big job, a big deal. So once he has already done it he will be much more receptive to staying there past the remaining season on his contract. As he nor his wife, will want to go through all that again.

I disagree, I actually thinks it's more likely he leaves his family where they are currently until he determines his FA destination at the end of next season. He's not going to make that big of a commitment until he gets a feel for the Hawks and living in Atlanta.

Gordon would never leave his family. not a chance, ever.

[jayu70]

I do not disagree with this. Atlanta can offer him a contract at the end of the season, but there is a very good chance he will not accept it.

The chances of resigning him in the offseason are higher than signing him.

What I mean by that is, if you trade for Gordon he will have to get a house, move his family of 4 down to Atlanta, get them in school, etc. Its a big job, a big deal. So once he has already done it he will be much more receptive to staying there past the remaining season on his contract. As he nor his wife, will want to go through all that again.

I disagree, I actually thinks it's more likely he leaves his family where they are currently until he determines his FA destination at the end of next season. He's not going to make that big of a commitment until he gets a feel for the Hawks and living in Atlanta.

Gordon would never leave his family. not a chance, ever.

Wasn't he in the bubble for 3 months and missed the birth of his son?

[Mike lorenzo]

I'm not sure the Hawks are the ideal destination ... I have Dallas / Blazers as their ideal destinations .. 2 teams that want to win ... Hayward might be worth the effort to catch ... sure it would help Hawks..but to get to where ?? ....

BLAZERS
In: Hayward / Kanter / Edwards / # 26
Out: Ariza / Trent / Whiteside (1+2)

Lillard
Cj / # 16Nesmith ??
Hayward
Collins / # 26 T. Bey ??
Nurkic / Kanter

Portland gets its 3 star, ..

Kemba
Smarth / Trent
Brown / Ariza
Tatum
Whiteside / Theis

Boston trades Hayward for depth and young prospect. consolidate assets ...

[Scoot McGroot]

alot of people sleeping on Hayward like he is Batum or Winslow levels of Broken.

Completely forgetting his on court impact outside of a couple of bad luck injuries this season. (hand caught on a screen he was ighting through breaking it) and a bad ankle sprain in the first game of the playoff just landing on theis' foot when going for a rebound. Anyone who has played basketball has done that at least once.

Messed up, but can happen. Unusal for both to happen in a single season.

his oper 36 and per 100 numbers were at his allstar level in Utah, and he was shooting career best numbers. 17,6.5,4 on excelling percentages. Only 12 players did that this season.

he played only 5 less games than Jaylen Brown this past season. 5 less than Jimmy Butler, 5 less than Kawhi, 5 less than Westbrook.

Unfortunate he had that Ankle sprain in the playoffs, but that could happen to anyone.

No one. Not one person realistically thinks or has referred to Hayward as Batum levels of broken. If that’s your takeaway instead of just that Hayward and his massive salary may not be the prime direction for a young Hawks team, that’s solely on you.

It doesnt matter. There has been alot of posts towards Hayward as him being a negative asset and boston needing to attach a pick to him

They dont.

If atlanta had even a minute inclination that Hayward would be open to resigning in atlanta after spending a year there then they should without a doubt make the deal

Hayward puts them in the playoffs, pick number 6 keeps them picking in the top 10 next season again with the riak of watching collins walk away.

Words matter.


But otherwise, you’re making a really good argument as to why Boston should just give up 14 for a vet in a trade, too. And why you think that Boston should’ve traded the picks that became Brown/Tatum for vets that got them further ASAP, but maybe not long term.

[Scoot McGroot]

I disagree, I actually thinks it's more likely he leaves his family where they are currently until he determines his FA destination at the end of next season. He's not going to make that big of a commitment until he gets a feel for the Hawks and living in Atlanta.

Gordon would never leave his family. not a chance, ever.

Wasn't he in the bubble for 3 months and missed the birth of his son?

He went home from the bubble for his ankle injury and upon return, did stay in the bubble for his sons birth rather than leave again. His team was also only a game or two from elimination at the time, I believe. But he had just spent around a month back home with his family immediately before and returned to quarantine before playing in the bubble.

[100proof]

I disagree, I actually thinks it's more likely he leaves his family where they are currently until he determines his FA destination at the end of next season. He's not going to make that big of a commitment until he gets a feel for the Hawks and living in Atlanta.

Gordon would never leave his family. not a chance, ever.

Wasn't he in the bubble for 3 months and missed the birth of his son?

He was out for the injury and decided to be with his team for the birth, yes.

That is a big difference between missing a birth or missing a year.

[myrak433]

what about a 3 team trade and include ATL.

ATL out 2020 pick (6th overall) ATL in Oladipo BOS 2020 first round picks (14th and and 30th)

BOS out Gordon Hayward 2020 1st (14th,26th, and 30th) BOS in Myles Turner

IND out Oladipo and Turner IND in ATL 6th pick, BOS 26 pick and Gordon Hayward. Also save about 5 million in cap.

Why for Atlanta they take a gamble on Oladipo health move down in the draft but still maintain a 14th and 30th pick to keep some value to either make additional moves or draft more young talent.

Why for BOS they consolidate some capital and solidify the front court. All so save 16 Million in cap.

Why for IND they move (if rumors are true) a disgruntled and expiring player (Oladipo) and get value, as well as getting a hometown player in Gordon to as a stop gap replacement to Dipo. As well as getting value to Turner to start retool (or rebuild).

[hugepatsfan]

It seems like ATL wants to start trying to win but recognizes they aren't in position to REALLY go all in on that. Hayward on a 1 year deal makes sense for that. Really good player, no long term commitment. But at a serious price? No, he doesn't.

If ATL taking on Hayward for nothing can be done as part of a different deal Boston lines up, then I think ATL would at least be interested, pending what else they got going on with cap space. But paying an actual price for Hayward? Don't see it.

[myrak433]

It seems like ATL wants to start trying to win but recognizes they aren't in position to REALLY go all in on that. Hayward on a 1 year deal makes sense for that. Really good player, no long term commitment. But at a serious price? No, he doesn't.

If ATL taking on Hayward for nothing can be done as part of a different deal Boston lines up, then I think ATL would at least be interested, pending what else they got going on with cap space. But paying an actual price for Hayward? Don't see it.

The Hawks pass on Hayward..... the trade I did has the Hawks taking Dipo not Hayward.

[Buzzard]

It seems like ATL wants to start trying to win but recognizes they aren't in position to REALLY go all in on that. Hayward on a 1 year deal makes sense for that. Really good player, no long term commitment. But at a serious price? No, he doesn't.

If ATL taking on Hayward for nothing can be done as part of a different deal Boston lines up, then I think ATL would at least be interested, pending what else they got going on with cap space. But paying an actual price for Hayward? Don't see it.

I agree with this and if the Hawks bomb in free agency, Hayward for a 2nd or two could be there. The Hawks do want to compete so bombing in free agency would put them in a hard spot.