2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[Little Digger]

Okoro easily > Edwards...It’s all about competitive desire ..

[Neeva]

Isn’t Okoro basically Okogie 2.0 with shorter wingspan ?

[KGdaBom]

Isn’t Okoro basically Okogie 2.0 with shorter wingspan ?

Taller and more highly regarded coming out of college. My best guess is he will be better than Okogie.

[karch34]

Isn’t Okoro basically Okogie 2.0 with shorter wingspan ?

Taller and more highly regarded coming out of college. My best guess is he will be better than Okogie.

Better passer and BBIQ, but worse shot IMO. Though both have the work ethic,

[Roddy B for 3]

The T'Wolves #17 pick is on the clock on the NBA draft subforum mock. Anyone who wants to vote there we'd appreciate it.

[Neeva]

I would love for Maxey, Hampton and Terry to be available on the actual draft night at 17. Rosas will pick BPA regardless of position imo.

If no trades a draft night of Ball, Maxey and Paul Reed will make me pretty happy.

[thinktank]

17th picks

2019 Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Donte DiVincenzo, Villanova – Milwaukee Bucks
2017 D.J. Wilson, Michigan – Milwaukee Bucks
2016 Wade Baldwin, Vanderbilt – Memphis Grizzlies
2015 Rashad Vaughn, UNLV – Milwaukee Bucks
2014 James Young, Kentucky – Boston Celtics
2013 Dennis Schroeder, Germany – Atlanta Hawks
2012 Tyler Zeller, UNC – Dallas Mavericks
2011 Iman Shumpert, Georgia Tech – New York Knicks
2010 Kevin Seraphin, France – Chicago Bulls
2009 Jrue Holiday, UCLA – Philadelphia 76ers
2008 Roy Hibbert, Georgetown – Toronto Raptors
2007 Sean Williams, Boston College – New Jersey Nets
2006 Shawne Williams, Memphis – Indiana Pacers
2005 Danny Granger, New Mexico – Indiana Pacers

As far as players more valuable than Gordon, I see:

Maybe NAW pans out.
DiVincenzo
Schroeder
Holiday
Hibbert
Granger

So roughly a 33% chance to obtain someone better than Gordon, who is average, and at maybe 40% of his cost too.

That’s a gamble you have to take, imo.

Only two of those players you can say were clearly better than Gordon. Jrue and Granger who flamed out very quickly. So change those odds to 13%.

You have pro-Gordon bias so we can’t rely on your perspective.

Care to make a wager on the Gordon trade? It’ll never happen.

[KGdaBom]

17th picks

2019 Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Donte DiVincenzo, Villanova – Milwaukee Bucks
2017 D.J. Wilson, Michigan – Milwaukee Bucks
2016 Wade Baldwin, Vanderbilt – Memphis Grizzlies
2015 Rashad Vaughn, UNLV – Milwaukee Bucks
2014 James Young, Kentucky – Boston Celtics
2013 Dennis Schroeder, Germany – Atlanta Hawks
2012 Tyler Zeller, UNC – Dallas Mavericks
2011 Iman Shumpert, Georgia Tech – New York Knicks
2010 Kevin Seraphin, France – Chicago Bulls
2009 Jrue Holiday, UCLA – Philadelphia 76ers
2008 Roy Hibbert, Georgetown – Toronto Raptors
2007 Sean Williams, Boston College – New Jersey Nets
2006 Shawne Williams, Memphis – Indiana Pacers
2005 Danny Granger, New Mexico – Indiana Pacers

As far as players more valuable than Gordon, I see:

Maybe NAW pans out.
DiVincenzo
Schroeder
Holiday
Hibbert
Granger

So roughly a 33% chance to obtain someone better than Gordon, who is average, and at maybe 40% of his cost too.

That’s a gamble you have to take, imo.

Only two of those players you can say were clearly better than Gordon. Jrue and Granger who flamed out very quickly. So change those odds to 13%.

You have pro-Gordon bias so we can’t rely on your perspective.

Care to make a wager on the Gordon trade? It’ll never happen.

Yes. I will wager $1000 even odds that the Wolves don't trade for Gordon. Deal?

[thinktank]

Only two of those players you can say were clearly better than Gordon. Jrue and Granger who flamed out very quickly. So change those odds to 13%.

You have pro-Gordon bias so we can’t rely on your perspective.

Care to make a wager on the Gordon trade? It’ll never happen.

Yes. I will wager $1000 even odds that the Wolves don't trade for Gordon. Deal?

I didn’t think you’d be able to follow through on your Gordon ambition and I was right. Don’t quote me again because you’re not here for productive discussion.

[KGdaBom]

You have pro-Gordon bias so we can’t rely on your perspective.

Care to make a wager on the Gordon trade? It’ll never happen.

Yes. I will wager $1000 even odds that the Wolves don't trade for Gordon. Deal?

I didn’t think you’d be able to follow through on your Gordon ambition and I was right. Don’t quote me again because you’re not here for productive discussion.

I will quote you when I feel the need to quote you. There are 29 teams that could potentially trade for Gordon. What makes you think I would expect the Wolves to be the one team that does? I have no Gordon ambition and I never did have Gordon ambition. The most likely team for Gordon to play with this coming season is the Orlando Magic. I've never even promoted the Wolves trading for Gordon. Look through every post I've ever made and you won't find one where I promoted that idea. All I said was I think he would help us more than Johnson and #17 would. I specifically said I would like to explore us getting a better return on Johnson and #17 than Gordon. You also claim I have Pro Gordon bias? What makes you think this. I've been very middle of the road on Gordon the whole time. It's obvious the one who doesn't want to have productive discussion is you. Making snide comments and misrepresenting me every step of the way.

[thinktank]

Then I think we can both put the Gordon discussion to bed. Neither of us think he is coming here, we’re both middle of the road on him, etc. I can tell you you won’t get any other thoughts on this topic from me so no need to engage me on it. If you want to talk to someone who won’t respond to you, get the last word in, whatever, you do you. What’s really funny to me is you seem to think Gordon is average, like Chuck, and me, yet you brought up bias. Oh well. Peace out.

[KGdaBom]

Then I think we can both put the Gordon discussion to bed. Neither of us think he is coming here, we’re both middle of the road on him, etc. I can tell you you won’t get any other thoughts on this topic from me so no need to engage me on it. If you want to talk to someone who won’t respond to you, get the last word in, whatever, you do you. What’s really funny to me is you seem to think Gordon is average, like Chuck, and me, yet you brought up bias. Oh well. Peace out.

I didn't bring up bias. That was Ducklett I believe. I saw you as being dismissive of the possibility of bias. I said bias could play a part in a person's evaluation. Somehow you took that to mean I was declaring somebody to be biased. You also seemed to take that as me being pro Gordon. I think he is a reasonably good player that could help the Wolves. I would have no problem with him coming here.

I will take a share of the responsibility for miscommunication, because I don't converse like most people, who mean more than what they say. I'm not shy. If I believe something I will say it outright. I won't leave my meaning veiled in secrecy. If I don't say it, but you think I might mean something ask me. That would prevent miscommunication and lead to more productive discussions.

[thinktank]

I don't converse like most people.

Due to the above, there won’t be any future discussions between us. Problem solved.

[KGdaBom]

I don't converse like most people.

Due to the above, there won’t be any future discussions between us. Problem solved.

That's a shame. No future discussions because I only say what I mean and don't operate in hidden meanings. WOW. That IMO is very extremely messed up.
You just can't handle communicating with somebody who is open, honest and says what he means and doesn't mean what he doesn't say. This from a person who goes by a very intellectual sounding screen name.
Also a very cheap tactic pulling that quote out of context.

[Worm Guts]

I don't converse like most people.

Due to the above, there won’t be any future discussions between us. Problem solved.

That's a shame. No future discussions because I only say what I mean and don't operate in hidden meanings. WOW. That IMO is very extremely messed up.
You just can't handle communicating with somebody who is open, honest and says what he means and doesn't mean what he doesn't say. This from a person who goes by a very intellectual sounding screen name.
Also a very cheap tactic pulling that quote out of context.

Let it go

[UnFadeable21]

So this isn’t the only place Thinktank likes to argue with people.

[KGdaBom]

Due to the above, there won’t be any future discussions between us. Problem solved.

That's a shame. No future discussions because I only say what I mean and don't operate in hidden meanings. WOW. That IMO is very extremely messed up.
You just can't handle communicating with somebody who is open, honest and says what he means and doesn't mean what he doesn't say. This from a person who goes by a very intellectual sounding screen name.
Also a very cheap tactic pulling that quote out of context.

Let it go

I wasn't having any problem with him. I thought if I explained my literal way of communicating it would help.

[thinktank]

So this isn’t the only place Thinktank likes to argue with people.

Definitely not. That's why I told the guy to stop quoting me.

[Macwolf527]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259641/247-Sports-Analyst-Josh-Gershon-To-Join-Timberwolves

I still think this is one of the most interesting pickups of the offseason. I don't see how much more input Josh could provide on this 2020 draft class that is not already known. His hiring speaks more to future drafts, specifically 2021 and what could be the double draft of 2022. If you take into account that the Wolves have already dumped their 2021 draft picks to the Warriors in the Russell-Wiggins trade, it stands to reason that they are looking to pick up future draft picks by moving around in this draft.

The top three picks on this draft, in no particular order, bump right up against the three best players on our roster Towns-Russell-Beasley to Wiseman-Ball-Edwards. If there was ever a time to trade down in a draft for the Wolves, now is the year. For many of us, the goal when putting together trade packages, was to bring back an early lottery pick this year. My question to group is this. Is there a scenario where you would trade for a rotational player, that's not league superstar like Booker, Beal or Simmons, a late lottery pick this year and a future pick in 2021 or 2022 for the #1 pick this year. I'll toss a team out first just to get the conversation rolling.

There are two players that I really covet in this draft for the Wolves. Patrick Williams and Precious Achiuwa. I think we have a chance of getting precious at #17, but Patrick Williams will be long gone by then. The one team I would consider working a trade with for the #1 pick would be the Phoenix Suns for their 10th pick. They have young players that fit our timeline and I would be okay with trading for future picks, because I see them still in the late lottery to middle parts of the draft in 2021 and 2022.

[KGdaBom]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259641/247-Sports-Analyst-Josh-Gershon-To-Join-Timberwolves

I still think this is one of the most interesting pickups of the offseason. I don't see how much more input Josh could provide on this 2020 draft class that is not already known. His hiring speaks more to future drafts, specifically 2021 and what could be the double draft of 2022. If you take into account that the Wolves have already dumped their 2021 draft picks to the Warriors in the Russell-Wiggins trade, it stands to reason that they are looking to pick up future draft picks by moving around in this draft.

The top three picks on this draft, in no particular order, bump right up against the three best players on our roster Towns-Russell-Beasley to Wiseman-Ball-Edwards. If there was ever a time to trade down in a draft for the Wolves, now is the year. For many of us, the goal when putting together trade packages, was to bring back an early lottery pick this year. My question to group is this. Is there a scenario where you would trade for a rotational player, that's not league superstar like Booker, Beal or Simmons, a late lottery pick this year and a future pick in 2021 or 2022 for the #1 pick this year. I'll toss a team out first just to get the conversation rolling.

There are two players that I really covet in this draft for the Wolves. Patrick Williams and Precious Achiuwa. I think we have a chance of getting precious at #17, but Patrick Williams will be long gone by then. The one team I would consider working a trade with for the #1 pick would be the Phoenix Suns for their 10th pick. They have young players that fit our timeline and I would be okay with trading for future picks, because I see them still in the late lottery to middle parts of the draft in 2021 and 2022.

Could Patrick Williams be gone by pick 17? Sure. Will he? Probably, but not without question. The draft can be very surprising. Precious might be the one gone and Williams the one available. Aren't the two of them kind of redundant or would you like to see us go for both of them?