pcbothwel wrote:1) Sending Ish doesnt make sense as they would then have 20M in back PG's that dont play as well off ball in Rubio and Ish...
Rubio was 3d in minutes on the Suns this year. He's their starting PG.
pcbothwel wrote:2) I would want more for Oubre than a late 1st. No only is he a solid starting wing, but we would be taking on the salary of what they send out and we need to compensated for that....
Irrelevant. We aren't trading Oubre. They're getting an asset for Oubre that they need to give us in the trade. If they can get more for him than that, then of course we can ask for that to be included. But my iteration of the trade doesn't actually involve Kelly Oubre. That said, it's true that I haven't looked at whether my version would work on the trade machine.
In addition, I should add: no, I don't think Oubre is a "solid starting wing." I don't think he's significantly better than he was his last year with us. Feel free to tell me what I'm missing (using numbers of course
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pcbothwel wrote:3) I value a protected 2024 pick over Cam Johnson. Cam is a low ceiling plug and play wing that is perfect for the Suns in this scenario. He would simply be filler here and probably buried on the bench as we would have Bridges, Brown, Bonga, and our pick (Vassell/Haliburton)....
A lot here that is questionable: a) How do you know what Cam Johnson's ceiling is? He was, among other things, a whole bunch better than Rui Hachimura as a rookie; b) what difference does it make whether he "fits" here -- he has trade value, so if we don't want him we'll move him; c) "a protected 2024 pick" has
very little value -- see "the present value of an asset." A dollar today is worth a ton more than a dollar you're going to give me in 4 years.
edit to add -- who says our pick will be Vassell or Haliburton?
pcbothwel wrote:My last issue is simple... How much better is Ayton than Bryant? Ayton has more defensive upside due to physical tools, but the gap isnt that big while Bryant has proven to be a better shooter/scorer while a better passing/playmaking prowess...
Im sure he would be an upgrade in the long run.. but by how much, especially considering that they cant play together and we would need to trade Bryant.
Some people think a basketball team is like, say, a painting -- you need some of this color, some of that color, some of a 3d color -- & all the colors have to go well together too. But, that's not what a basketball team is like. A basketball team is like a bank account. You have a certain amount of "good playing" on your squad. The more you have the better. Period.
Why am I calling that "a bank account?" Because the more you have in it the easier it is to trade for a good player at a position of need. IOW, Ayton will bring us a better player at whatever other position we want than will a player less good than Ayton.
The only caveat is -- & this might be important -- that he got worse rather than better as a 2d year player. That does worry me.
