How Good is Jimmy Butler?

othawhitemeat · Post #401 » by **othawhitemeat** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 2:17 pm

ATRAIN53 wrote:Guy knows how to get to the line when the game is on the line.

It's an ELITE skill.

If you could put Butlers mindset and work ethic and desire in Anthony Davis you'd have an unstoppable player.
He's fun to watch. It's Joprdan-esque. He has that same chip on his shoulder.

Is he a HOF player?

I don't think the Heat will win this chip, but if somehow did, then for sure. I think if he gets one or two more all-stars, he definitely is. It is interesting though, because he is the most underrated all star I've seen in a long time. People always compare him to Paul George, etc.., but he has always been tougher and more clutch, but is not enough of an elite scorer consistently. I think he is a borderline top 10 player, but it just does not look pretty in doing it. However, pair him with another tough minded all-star, watch out.

Post #402 » by **dougthonus** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 2:20 pm

Ice Man wrote:In 2019, Vlade Divac, Sydney Moncrief, and Bobby Jones were inducted. By those standards, Butler is a shoo-in. However, I hope that those standards do not persist.

I think Butler is a HOFer, and I think he should be.

Given that the HOF will let in pedestrian college coaches, I'm all for more NBA players. That said, the basketball HOF is so ridiculous, that if I were the NBA, I'd say screw it and make my own HOF.

drosestruts · Post #403 » by **drosestruts** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 3:17 pm

Ice Man wrote:
drosereturn wrote:Give credit to Butler. He obviously made massive improvements compared to his chicago

Nah. He was this player for Chicago from 2015 through 2017. However, the Chicago Bulls organization didn't realize what it had. Miami's organization does. That is the difference.

I remember the drama surrounding Jimmy saying he wanted to play more point guard. Just another instance of Jimmy being right. We should have let him lead the offense and put complimentary players around him.

FriedRise · Post #404 » by **FriedRise** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 3:48 pm

drosestruts wrote:
Ice Man wrote:
drosereturn wrote:Give credit to Butler. He obviously made massive improvements compared to his chicago

Nah. He was this player for Chicago from 2015 through 2017. However, the Chicago Bulls organization didn't realize what it had. Miami's organization does. That is the difference.

I remember the drama surrounding Jimmy saying he wanted to play more point guard. Just another instance of Jimmy being right. We should have let him lead the offense and put complimentary players around him.

At the time he said it, the media had stirred up the "is it Jimmy's or Derrick's team?" nonsense all season long, so everyone took it as yet another shot at Derrick. I believe Jimmy said playing PG is easy. Obviously he's right - three seasons later - but back then, he wasn't really known for his playmaking ability so it was more natural to take it as a jab at DRose.

Dieselbound&Down · Post #405 » by **Dieselbound&Down** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:00 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Ice Man wrote:In 2019, Vlade Divac, Sydney Moncrief, and Bobby Jones were inducted. By those standards, Butler is a shoo-in. However, I hope that those standards do not persist.

I think Butler is a HOFer, and I think he should be.

Given that the HOF will let in pedestrian college coaches, I'm all for more NBA players. That said, the basketball HOF is so ridiculous, that if I were the NBA, I'd say screw it and make my own HOF.

I agree about the NBA making their own HOF

The basketball HOF has consciously been stingy with NBA players. They view the NBA as just one aspect of the overall game trying to give a somewhat balanced recognition to college, coaches, international and women's players. There is some merit to that but I do think the NBA could make their own HOF to better celebrate it's own history and league.

Post #406 » by **Ice Man** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:05 pm

Dieselbound&Down wrote:The basketball HOF has consciously been stingy with NBA players. They view the NBA as just one aspect of the overall game trying to give a somewhat balanced recognition to college, coaches, international and women's players. There is some merit to that but I do think the NBA could make their own HOF to better celebrate it's own history and league.

The basketball HOF is fine but as people have noted, it serves a different purpose than the NBA HOF. The NBA needs its own Hall.

Dieselbound&Down · Post #407 » by **Dieselbound&Down** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:12 pm

Ice Man wrote:
Dieselbound&Down wrote:The basketball HOF has consciously been stingy with NBA players. They view the NBA as just one aspect of the overall game trying to give a somewhat balanced recognition to college, coaches, international and women's players. There is some merit to that but I do think the NBA could make their own HOF to better celebrate it's own history and league.

The basketball HOF is fine but as people have noted, it serves a different purpose than the NBA HOF. The NBA needs its own Hall.

I'm obviously NBA and American centric but I remember as a kid looking at the HOF inductees and there were always some random coach from Yugoslavia who led some local lads into the national team who then took 2nd at the Euro championships. It seemed like wasted ink when all I cared about was reading about NBA players.

Post #408 » by **HomoSapien** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:26 pm

If these finals were occurring under normal circumstances, Jimmy's 40 point triple-double would probably be considered as one of the greatest single-game performances in NBA history. He really was unstoppable in the 4th, and LeBron had no answer for him. It just goes to show you how badly GarPax constructed teams while we had Butler, because he was rarely surrounded by shooters and spacers.

nitric0 · Post #409 » by **nitric0** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:45 pm

Apparently, he can't be an alpha of a championship team. LOL @ the doubters. We chose Hoiberg over Jimmy. What the F.

TheStig · Post #410 » by **TheStig** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 7:03 pm

Jimmy is now a 3x all nba, 4x all defense and 3x all NBA. Most of which after he left the Bulls. Sure wish we had a guy like that in his prime.

Mech Engineer · Post #411 » by **Mech Engineer** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 7:25 pm

With all the picks and capspace the Bulls had, they could have easily surrounded Butler with a better cast than what Miami has done even with a Butler supermax which was very unlikely as he would have taken a discount to accommodate another star. He loved Chicago and the Bulls.
This was just a stupid and arrogant decision by Paxson. I believe if MR had taken over a few years earlier, he would have overruled Paxson on this nonsense.

It's not hindsight with Butler....many of us advocated keeping him because having a star wing player is the biggest key to success than a star big man or a star PG.

PaKii94 · Post #412 » by **PaKii94** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 9:14 pm

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Post #413 » by **Michael Jackson** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 9:25 pm

Mech Engineer wrote:With all the picks and capspace the Bulls had, they could have easily surrounded Butler with a better cast than what Miami has done even with a Butler supermax which was very unlikely as he would have taken a discount to accommodate another star. He loved Chicago and the Bulls.
This was just a stupid and arrogant decision by Paxson. I believe if MR had taken over a few years earlier, he would have overruled Paxson on this nonsense.

It's not hindsight with Butler....many of us advocated keeping him because having a star wing player is the biggest key to success than a star biggest man or a star PG.

I will double down on this too... Jimmy would have accommodated the Bulls without a doubt if they showed him love. The Bulls if they were going to really rebuild should have never done the 3 alphas which wasn’t even that bad, but rather grew from that. Instead they missed the tank by 2 years, alienated Butler and really screwed up. Not really a stretch of imagination that if the Bulls were a 6-8 seed last year when AD had his trade demands that the Bulls would have been in the running. This last off season we would have been in the mix with everyone too honestly. Maybe you still strike out but the team would have been better and had the chance to get those guys.

Post #414 » by **Ice Man** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 9:31 pm

The Heat were +20 last night when Butler was on the court, but -9 in the 3 minutes that he didn't play. That reminds me of Russ's OK team a couple of years back, his MVP season. He would keep them in the games against the Rockets in the playoffs, but the moment he got a rest the Thunder would collapse.

Post #415 » by **Michael Jackson** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 10:34 pm

Ice Man wrote:The Heat were +20 last night when Butler was on the court, but -9 in the 3 minutes that he didn't play. That reminds me of Russ's OK team a couple of years back, his MVP season. He would keep them in the games against the Rockets in the playoffs, but the moment he got a rest the Thunder would collapse.

The heat are a solid team but not amazing even with Bam and Dragic in the lineup. This is absolutely true that Jimmy is like Russ in that situation for sure. Also in fairness to the Heat they were not supposed to be here. Ideally everyone thought they would be an improved team who needed another guy to join Butler to contend, so as a team they have outperformed. A lot of this though has to do with how well that team is conditioned imho. They just are built for this bubble.

Butler4thewin · Post #416 » by **Butler4thewin** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 10:48 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:
Butler4thewin wrote:Trading him was such a bad move we should all quit watching bulls games and buying any merchandise its obvious our fo is only about the money

Gar/Pax have been removed of their duties.

I've been working way too much with no end in sight......what happened ?

Butler4thewin · Post #417 » by **Butler4thewin** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 10:50 pm

I hope jimmy wins the title **** the heat though but I I'm rooting for butler hes our guy

SfBull · Post #418 » by **SfBull** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 11:03 pm

Just imagine the Heat being champions with Butler being playoff's MVP.How could we grade his draft day trade?

Post #419 » by **RedBulls23** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 11:04 pm

Butler4thewin wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:
Butler4thewin wrote:Trading him was such a bad move we should all quit watching bulls games and buying any merchandise its obvious our fo is only about the money

Gar/Pax have been removed of their duties.

I've been working way too much with no end in sight......what happened ?

Have you been working in a cave? Lol j/k

Bulls hired a new executive vp - Arturas Karnisovas from Denver, and he hired Marc Eversley as the new GM.

SfBull · Post #420 » by **SfBull** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 11:04 pm

Mech Engineer wrote:With all the picks and capspace the Bulls had, they could have easily surrounded Butler with a better cast than what Miami has done even with a Butler supermax which was very unlikely as he would have taken a discount to accommodate another star. He loved Chicago and the Bulls.
This was just a stupid and arrogant decision by Paxson. I believe if MR had taken over a few years earlier, he would have overruled Paxson on this nonsense.

It's not hindsight with Butler....many of us advocated keeping him because having a star wing player is the biggest key to success than a star big man or a star PG.

This.