2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[nabbs]

The Magic could be ideal trade partners this off-season. They have a plethora of front court talent that we could look to acquire.
Isaac has sustained two massive injuries in the last year alone and is set to miss the entire 2020 season before becoming a free agent in the summer. Orlando will probably not look to extend him and might try to get some value out of him before he hits the open market.
Bamba is another intriguing prospect who is struggling to get any playing time with the team. Orlando plays Birch as the back-up for Vucevic more than Bamba.


Powell + 2nd for Bamba + Isaac

magic can be good trade partners if we want Bamba or their 15th pick
But there's absolutely no way they are trading Isaac regardless of the injury he's their future

Hmm. I think they'd be interested in Powell because Fournier is a bonafide playoff choker. Therefore, Powell to Orlando makes a lot of sense.

Some deals that can work:

a) Powell + McCaw + #29 for Bamba + Fultz
b) Powell for Fultz + #15
c) Powell for Fournier + #15
d) Powell + #29 for Bamba + Ennis/Birch + #15

Pick your poison.

I'd have to think about it a bit more but if Orlando called for whatever reason and said we'll give you Fultz for Powell and 29, I would do it.


Fultz turns 23 next year. WE could get him in his formative development years. He is a big guard that was a 3 level scorer in college. He may never be that guy again but man.... imagine him in our Raps program. a 6'4 point guard with a 6'11 wingspan.

[alan_156]

We need to focus our development with Paul Watson in the upcoming year. The guy has some serious potential to be a solid player.

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He has been taking vet mins for the last couple of years. He was waived by Utah and picked up on a 10-day by Houston and then signed for the rest of the season and played well in 12 playoff games with the Rockets. I like his A/T of 2 and shooting over 35% from 3.

He'd be a great backup PF for the Vet Min.

We need to focus our development with Paul Watson in the upcoming year. The guy has some serious potential to be a solid player.

Agreed! Thus I want to draft a forward or big at #29. Need to trade Stanley Johnson and/or McCaw for any big body.

PG Lowry - TD
SG FVV - Powell - Thomas
SF OG - Watson/McCaw
PF Siakam - JGreen
C Ibaka - JGreen/Boucher

[Ell Curry]

JaMycheal Green would be a nice signing here but I think the Clippers will keep him and let Harrell go based on the reporting that Ballmer chose the analytics guys who wanted Harrell benched (with Zubac and Green presumably getting most of his minutes) over Doc.

But yeah, a big rangy body who can stick an open 3 and move on D would be a nice addition to our frontcourt so we can play smaller.

[pr0gr4m]

What about Davis, 2021 1st, and 29 for Tyrell Terry.

He broke the record for bball iq test and doesn't have a size problem anymore he went from 6' 155lbs to 6'3 170lbs. I would like to see him run a pick and roll with Siakam/Giannis. It would also make it easier to let FVV walk. I would draft Winston with the last pick as well for the back up spot next season. A core of Giannis, Siakam, OG, and Terry could be very formidable at the next level. I could see Winston and Terry starting at the 1/2 for us similar to Lowry and FVV. It would enable enough creation to offset the defensive shortcomings.

I would also try to trade Powell, McCaw, and Johnson for Oladipo.

As a 1 year spot gap:

Ibaka/Hernandez
Siakam//Boucher
OG/Watson
Oladipo/Winston/Thomas
Lowry/Terry

2021/22

Giannis/
Siakam/
OG/
Oladipo
Terry/Winston/Lowry

[LoveMyRaps]

What about Davis, 2021 1st, and 29 for Tyrell Terry.

Saying this is a massive overpayment is an understatement.
You want to give up our best prospect, two first round picks, including one from what will be the strongest draft in a very long time for an unproven prospect that is projected to be a mid lottery pick in a weak draft.

[pr0gr4m]

Saying this is a massive overpayment is an understatement.
You want to give up our best prospect, two first round picks, including one from what will be the strongest draft in a very long time for an unproven prospect that is projected to be a mid lottery pick in a weak draft.

Davis is a 22 year old undrafted rookie. The chances of him being a starter level guard is very low. We need shot creation, elite shooting, and a player with superstar potential as FA isn't going to bring in 2 of those...

The late first rounder isn't going to amount to more than a rotational bench player at best. That could easily be found in the 2nd round so the level of value lost there is low.

The Raptors will be a top 4 seed in the league again next year so that 2021 1st won't be high either. I also doubt we would want to waste time trying to develop a scorer/shot creator while Giannis is here.

Terry will probably go top 8 in the draft considering his improvement on his areas of need. He's 6'3 170lbs and he's already a crafty finisher at the rim, it would only help.

Giannis/Ibaka
Siakam/Ibaka
OG/(MID_LEVEL)
(MAX_CONTRACT)/Powell
Terry/Lowry/Winston

How would you consider that to be a better team than:

Giannis/Ibaka
Siakam/Ibaka
OG/(MID_LEVEL)
FVV/Powell/Davis
Lowry/Winston

Having even a single player on a rookie contract is beneficial. It allows for a lot of flexibility and could potentially mean having 3 max level guys on the same team AND still having solid role players.

You could argue in the prior line up that OG and Powell (dependent on their development) could potentially be offered 20M+ contracts. If Terry ends up being 75% of the player Trae is now he would be too as soon as his rookie deal is over.

These moves would increase the ceiling of the team.

[Psubs]

Saying this is a massive overpayment is an understatement.
You want to give up our best prospect, two first round picks, including one from what will be the strongest draft in a very long time for an unproven prospect that is projected to be a mid lottery pick in a weak draft.

Davis is a 22 year old undrafted rookie. The chances of him being a starter level guard is very low. We need shot creation, elite shooting, and a player with superstar potential as FA isn't going to bring in 2 of those...

The late first rounder isn't going to amount to more than a rotational bench player at best. That could easily be found in the 2nd round so the level of value lost there is low.

The Raptors will be a top 4 seed in the league again next year so that 2021 1st won't be high either. I also doubt we would want to waste time trying to develop a scorer/shot creator while Giannis is here.

Terry will probably go top 8 in the draft considering his improvement on his areas of need. He's 6'3 170lbs and he's already a crafty finisher at the rim, it would only help.

Giannis/Ibaka
Siakam/Ibaka
OG/(MID_LEVEL)
(MAX_CONTRACT)/Powell
Terry/Lowry/Winston

How would you consider that to be a better team than:

Giannis/Ibaka
Siakam/Ibaka
OG/(MID_LEVEL)
FVV/Powell/Davis
Lowry/Winston

Having even a single player on a rookie contract is beneficial. It allows for a lot of flexibility and could potentially mean having 3 max level guys on the same team AND still having solid role players.

You could argue in the prior line up that OG and Powell (dependent on their development) could potentially be offered 20M+ contracts. If Terry ends up being 75% of the player Trae is now he would be too as soon as his rookie deal is over.

These moves would increase the ceiling of the team.

TD has been in the NBA for a whole season and put up near 47/40/85. There are a lot of guards drafted in the top 8 that didn't work out as well as TD looks to be able to. Frank Ntilikina, Lonzo Ball, Coby White, Darius Garland, Colin Sexton; I feel like TD has a good chance to be as good (if not better) as any of these guards drafted in the last 3 drafts.

[tecumseh18]

Saying this is a massive overpayment is an understatement.
You want to give up our best prospect, two first round picks, including one from what will be the strongest draft in a very long time for an unproven prospect that is projected to be a mid lottery pick in a weak draft.

Davis is a 22 year old undrafted rookie. The chances of him being a starter level guard is very low. We need shot creation, elite shooting, and a player with superstar potential as FA isn't going to bring in 2 of those...

The late first rounder isn't going to amount to more than a rotational bench player at best. That could easily be found in the 2nd round so the level of value lost there is low.

The Raptors will be a top 4 seed in the league again next year so that 2021 1st won't be high either. I also doubt we would want to waste time trying to develop a scorer/shot creator while Giannis is here.

Terry will probably go top 8 in the draft considering his improvement on his areas of need. He's 6'3 170lbs and he's already a crafty finisher at the rim, it would only help.

Giannis/Ibaka
Siakam/Ibaka
OG/(MID_LEVEL)
(MAX_CONTRACT)/Powell
Terry/Lowry/Winston

How would you consider that to be a better team than:

Giannis/Ibaka
Siakam/Ibaka
OG/(MID_LEVEL)
FVV/Powell/Davis
Lowry/Winston

Having even a single player on a rookie contract is beneficial. It allows for a lot of flexibility and could potentially mean having 3 max level guys on the same team AND still having solid role players.

You could argue in the prior line up that OG and Powell (dependent on their development) could potentially be offered 20M+ contracts. If Terry ends up being 75% of the player Trae is now he would be too as soon as his rookie deal is over.

These moves would increase the ceiling of the team.

TD has been in the NBA for a whole season and put up near 47/40/85. There are a lot of guards drafted in the top 8 that didn't work out as well as TD looks to be able to. Frank Ntilikina, Lonzo Ball, Coby White, Darius Garland, Colin Sexton; I feel like TD has a good chance to be as good (if not better) as any of these guards drafted in the last 3 drafts.

Not to mention that TD was on the all-rookie second team, which definitely puts him in the top ten of rookies from last season. So we give up a top ten rookie guard plus two FRPs for ... a possible top ten rookie guard? What a ridiculous proposal.

Anyway, we can't trade two consecutive first round draft picks. Anyway, we can't have all of Serge and Fred and Lowry in 2021 AND sign a max FA.

Anyway this is all stupid and impossible.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Davis is a 22 year old undrafted rookie. The chances of him being a starter level guard is very low. We need shot creation, elite shooting, and a player with superstar potential as FA isn't going to bring in 2 of those...

The late first rounder isn't going to amount to more than a rotational bench player at best. That could easily be found in the 2nd round so the level of value lost there is low.

The Raptors will be a top 4 seed in the league again next year so that 2021 1st won't be high either. I also doubt we would want to waste time trying to develop a scorer/shot creator while Giannis is here.

Terry will probably go top 8 in the draft considering his improvement on his areas of need. He's 6'3 170lbs and he's already a crafty finisher at the rim, it would only help.

Giannis/Ibaka
Siakam/Ibaka
OG/(MID_LEVEL)
(MAX_CONTRACT)/Powell
Terry/Lowry/Winston

How would you consider that to be a better team than:

Giannis/Ibaka
Siakam/Ibaka
OG/(MID_LEVEL)
FVV/Powell/Davis
Lowry/Winston

Having even a single player on a rookie contract is beneficial. It allows for a lot of flexibility and could potentially mean having 3 max level guys on the same team AND still having solid role players.

You could argue in the prior line up that OG and Powell (dependent on their development) could potentially be offered 20M+ contracts. If Terry ends up being 75% of the player Trae is now he would be too as soon as his rookie deal is over.

These moves would increase the ceiling of the team.

TD has been in the NBA for a whole season and put up near 47/40/85. There are a lot of guards drafted in the top 8 that didn't work out as well as TD looks to be able to. Frank Ntilikina, Lonzo Ball, Coby White, Darius Garland, Colin Sexton; I feel like TD has a good chance to be as good (if not better) as any of these guards drafted in the last 3 drafts.

Not to mention that TD was on the all-rookie second team, which definitely puts him in the top ten of rookies from last season. So we give up a top ten rookie guard plus two FRPs for ... a possible top ten rookie guard? What a ridiculous proposal.

Anyway, we can't trade two consecutive first round draft picks. Anyway, we can't have all of Serge and Fred and Lowry in 2021 AND sign a max FA.

Anyway this is all stupid and impossible.

Agree with both posters who say why Davis needs to stay. You take the guy that can play now and it's dirt cheap then trade two firsts plus Davis for a risk.

[Psubs]

Can we bring home Kabengele from the Clippers before he breaks out and would take too much?

[LoveMyRaps]

Can we bring home Kabengele from the Clippers before he breaks out and would take too much?

The chances of landing him are as low as acquiring Sekou from Detroit.
Clippers gave up all of their future assets, Kabengele is all they have left.

[Mr Swagtastic]

The Magic could be ideal trade partners this off-season. They have a plethora of front court talent that we could look to acquire.
Isaac has sustained two massive injuries in the last year alone and is set to miss the entire 2020 season before becoming a free agent in the summer. Orlando will probably not look to extend him and might try to get some value out of him before he hits the open market.
Bamba is another intriguing prospect who is struggling to get any playing time with the team. Orlando plays Birch as the back-up for Vucevic more than Bamba.


Powell + 2nd for Bamba + Isaac

magic can be good trade partners if we want Bamba or their 15th pick
But there's absolutely no way they are trading Isaac regardless of the injury he's their future

Hmm. I think they'd be interested in Powell because Fournier is a bonafide playoff choker. Therefore, Powell to Orlando makes a lot of sense.

Some deals that can work:

a) Powell + McCaw + #29 for Bamba + Fultz
b) Powell for Fultz + #15
c) Powell for Fournier + #15
d) Powell + #29 for Bamba + Ennis/Birch + #15

Pick your poison.

If Toronto gets Isaac and anything for Powell then Masai won the entire season already. Isaac would be amazing next to Siakam. Plus Mo Bamba I think could be useful here off the bench or stashed in the G-League for a year.

Now the other deals. A) is a great move for Toronto but not so much for Orlando. Fultz looks like he's v finally starting to figure out his game.

B) see above plus giving up their pick is too much

C) I think Powell doesn't push the needle that much to include their pick.

D) why does Orlando trade both of Birch and Bamba plus #15 for Powell and #29. What am I missing here. Birch would be great here as that backup pf/c and Toronto gambles on Terry, Bey or Maledon

[StopitLeo]

Agree with both posters who say why Davis needs to stay. You take the guy that can play now and it's dirt cheap then trade two firsts plus Davis for a risk.

I'm with you guys.

Bird in hand unless it's the 1st overall pick. The rest of the draft is a crapshoot.

Davis has all the tools to be a starter.

[LoveMyRaps]

PG: Frank Jackson
SG: De'Anthony Melton
SF: Cody Martin
PF: Harry Giles
C: Nerlens Noel

A couple cheap options at each position that I think would be a good fit for this team and will be available via free agency or trade this summer.

[pr0gr4m]

What about preparing for the 2022 draft?

We have to liquify our talent somehow. So how about the following,

Powell to Cavs for MIL 2022 1st + 3 2022 2nds

Ibaka (re-signed at 15M) for Schroder + 2022 LAC 1st, 2022 OKC 1st (suspect they will get desperate for a stretch big around the deadline)


We part ways with Powell to increase our capspace. Powell can be replaced by a cheaper Davis.

I would send Ibaka off as well at the trade deadline to a situation where he can compete and we get picks like OKC.

The Raptors would have 7 picks in a stacked draft class. I would trust the development system we have and Masai to use them on good prospects that could be internally developed.

I would consider that to be the most realistic option for the Raptors in the off-season and would also entail us bringing back Gasol and FVV. I would also consider flipping him for picks as well if the opportunity came.

I would also draft Tillman and Cassius Winston this year.

Gasol/Tillman
Siakam/MLE?
OG/Watson
Lowry/Davis/Thomas
FVV/Winston

The Raptors gain a lot here. It would be a retooling year but would help the Raptors prepare for the following season. Gasol can mentor Tillman who I think can be similar to a less athletic Adebayo for the Raptors as Lowry could also for Winston.

[SurgeIblocka]

What about preparing for the 2022 draft?

We have to liquify our talent somehow. So how about the following,

Powell to Cavs for MIL 2022 1st + 3 2022 2nds

Ibaka (re-signed at 15M) for Schroder + 2022 LAC 1st, 2022 OKC 1st (suspect they will get desperate for a stretch big around the deadline)


We part ways with Powell to increase our capspace. Powell can be replaced by a cheaper Davis.

I would send Ibaka off as well at the trade deadline to a situation where he can compete and we get picks like OKC.

The Raptors would have 7 picks in a stacked draft class. I would trust the development system we have and Masai to use them on good prospects that could be internally developed.

I would consider that to be the most realistic option for the Raptors in the off-season and would also entail us bringing back Gasol and FVV. I would also consider flipping him for picks as well if the opportunity came.

I would also draft Tillman and Cassius Winston this year.

Gasol/Tillman
Siakam/MLE?
OG/Watson
Lowry/Davis/Thomas
FVV/Winston

The Raptors gain a lot here. It would be a retooling year but would help the Raptors prepare for the following season. Gasol can mentor Tillman who I think can be similar to a less athletic Adebayo for the Raptors as Lowry could also for Winston.

You can’t trade Powell for just draft picks lol. Salaries need to be close for a trade to happen with CBA rules.

[Kordic27]

I must've missed this somewhere, but does anyone know when Giannis can (or can officially elect not to) sign the supermax? Feel like if does, everyone can stop worrying about 2021 free agency and re-start considering guys on non-expiring contracts...

[douggood]

I must've missed this somewhere, but does anyone know when Giannis can (or can officially elect not to) sign the supermax? Feel like if does, everyone can stop worrying about 2021 free agency and re-start considering guys on non-expiring contracts...

he can sign the supermax this offseason, the dates are first day of free agency till first day of regular season.
he can also the sign the supermax when he is a free agent next offseason.

[Psubs]

You can’t trade Powell for just draft picks lol. Salaries need to be close for a trade to happen with CBA rules.

The Cavs are around $108 million and the cap is around $115 million so they might have to send back some salary to fit.

Just find a team with more cap space and then you can get a trade exception back.