Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[youngcrev]

Nets are already loaded at the C position with Allen and DeAndre

I wouldn't exactly consider that loaded. Horford would give them a pick and pop threat that can stretch the floor and pass. I think he'd be far more valuable to them in the playoffs than either of those 2.

Yeah. But i think you need to consider all variables.

Like.. more value not just among Allen and DeAndre but also more value than Dinwiddie, Prince, Harris, Allen and DeAndre?

They improve 2 starting positions with good fitting players. Probably works better with DeAndre instead of Harris, but that's Kyrie and KD's guy. Allen could be flipped elsewhere. Could possibly include Shake/Korkmaz in the deal.

[76ciology]

I wouldn't exactly consider that loaded. Horford would give them a pick and pop threat that can stretch the floor and pass. I think he'd be far more valuable to them in the playoffs than either of those 2.

Yeah. But i think you need to consider all variables.

Like.. more value not just among Allen and DeAndre but also more value than Dinwiddie, Prince, Harris, Allen and DeAndre?

They improve 2 starting positions with good fitting players. Probably works better with DeAndre instead of Harris, but that's Kyrie and KD's guy. Allen could be flipped elsewhere. Could possibly include Shake/Korkmaz in the deal.

I dont think Nets are looking to add a center. If I’m them, I’d look to trade for a wing.

I’m also not saying Al is not valuable. He plays like a modern C, can defend multiple positions (i didnt think he did a bad job on Jaylen but I surely wouldnt want him to defend other positions than C), protect the rim, shoot from 3s (he’s a top 5-6 3pt shooter among centers) and be a passer. He’s like a less athletic Bam.

One of the biggest selling point of Al is you can play an extra big line-up like when he played with Baynes back then or when he played with Biid during the bubble.

Good team to target for Al are the victims of teams that played big in the play-offs. Like Clips, Rockets and to some extent the Celtics (Bam ate them in closing game). Another team maybe is the Nuggets where the D12-AD line-up gave them problems and a Jokic-Al line-up may work.

His age and contract are his negatives. This prevent you to trade him for teams like the Bulls. Otto Porter could have been a good return for him.

[51X3RF4N]

I really think we may be stuck with Horford.

It is clear Doc wants to use Harris, Embiid, Simmons, Thybulle and Shake. He clearly sees them as pieces that should not be traded, and I think Elton agrees with Doc.

So unless we are packaging Richardson, Korkmaz, picks, and Zhaire....which when you really break it down those are not attractive pieces...adding those to Horford doesn't really move the needle for most teams.

I really truly think Doc is going to view Simmons and Harris as interchangeable 3/4 roles. Either can switch to either spot on offense or defense.

I think we will see Ben used as a screen man in pick and roll settings, we will see Ben used as a post up big with passing out of the post, high post Ben, dribble drive Ben...but not from the PG spot.

So Horford is likely on the block, but its going to be very hard to get return for him. At least not what we as fans really want.

Buddy? I guess its possible but it would need to be a 3 team trade.

Buddy plus a PG? That would be the most ideal return for Docs system.

Shake off the bench for Buddy, Thybulle off the bench for either Harris or Simmons with the other sliding to the 4.

Richardson, Horford, Korkmaz, Zhaire, and picks out...

3rd team sends PG, Sacramento sends Buddy and Joseph maybe for a backup PG situation?

[Mik317]

I don't think anything is off the table. Doc knows he can't come in and diss dudes and then expect to be able to trade them. All of this is lip service in case we aren't able to move him and to keep values from dropping further. He comes in and goes "yeah Horford is ass and can't play with Biid" and his already terrible value gets even lower. That goes for Ben, Biid, and Tobias as well. Him talking up Thybulle and Shake could also have the reverse effect as teams won't expect them to just be throw ins now.

Now if the right deal comes along, they can act like it was a deal they couldn't refuse.

[ProcessDoctor]

Horford/Korkmaz/#21 for Hield/Bjelica is an easy yes IMO. The only issue is how to follow-up by finding a lead guard/half-court playmaker.

[51X3RF4N]

I just don't see Sacramento wanting anything to do with that deal. Have to find a 3rd team for Horford to go, and have that team send Sacramento salary relief.

Although I will say I think some people sleep on Buddy being a playmaker. Now I'm not saying he's CP3, but he has definitely showed markedly improved passing skills making the right reads with the ball in his hands, and executing the right passes. Not only that, he has always been a guy who can go get his own bucket off the dribble or in pick and roll settings. He isn't just a catch and shoot guy.

Pairing him with Embiid in the JJ role, as well as giving him the ball in Pick and Roll situations would truly highlight his offensive skill set.

I honestly think he should be a priority target, especially considering his open campaign to come to Philly. But what will Sacramento require??

Horford/Korkmaz/#21 for Hield/Bjelica is an easy yes IMO. The only issue is how to follow-up by finding a lead guard/half-court playmaker.

[youngcrev]

The Kings don't jump out at me as a potential landing spot for Horford, but it's possible. They did try to sign him last summer and he'd fit pretty well with Fox in the pick and pop game. Obviously where he's at in his career and where the Kings are in their build, he's not a perfect match, but that team has one of the longest playoff droughts in sports going, so some win now pressure wouldn't shock me on the heels of a Fox extension.

[ankle420breaker]

Still feel like Brooklyn makes the most sense for Horford in return for something like Allen, Harris, and Prince.

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[sixers4real]

I am so happy that Doc said so much about Embiid, Simmons, Harris, Milton and Thybule.

Now trade Horford, Richardson, Korkmaz, Smith, picks for Hield +

[stormi]

I am so happy that Doc said so much about Embiid, Simmons, Harris, Milton and Thybule.

Now trade Horford, Richardson, Korkmaz, Smith, picks for Hield +

Been warming up on Hield. He's a bit more than just a specialist. He finishes at the rim at nearly 70% and scored at the basket over 3x more than Redick on an average year. Still 1d, but on a team as top heavy as ours you can get away with it

[51X3RF4N]

Still feel like Brooklyn makes the most sense for Horford in return for something like Allen, Harris, and Prince.

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Something structured around


To BKN: Horford, Korkmaz, picks?
To SAC: Prince, Richardson
To Philly: Hield, Dinwiddie, Allen, Temple

Can't quite find the incentive for BKN other than getting $4.4M under the tax and getting a better talent starting at C. But losing quite a bit in the process.

For Sacramento its a no brainer. Better fit on the court, 2 shorter cheaper contracts that can subsequently be traded or at the very least gets you out of Hield.

For Sixers, it's really quite perfect.

[ankle420breaker]

Still feel like Brooklyn makes the most sense for Horford in return for something like Allen, Harris, and Prince.

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Something structured around


To BKN: Horford, Korkmaz, picks?
To SAC: Prince, Richardson
To Philly: Hield, Dinwiddie, Allen, Temple

Can't quite find the incentive for BKN other than getting $4.4M under the tax and getting a better talent starting at C. But losing quite a bit in the process.

For Sacramento its a no brainer. Better fit on the court, 2 shorter cheaper contracts that can subsequently be traded or at the very least gets you out of Hield.

For Sixers, it's really quite perfect.

Brooklyn gives up too much in this scenario (they won't part with Dinwiddie for Horford).

It shouldn't require a 3rd party either. I think something like Horford, Korkmaz, and a 2nd or two for Allen, Harris, and Prince is reasonable and would be entertained on both sides.

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[davesilver]

Horford/Korkmaz/#21 for Hield/Bjelica is an easy yes IMO. The only issue is how to follow-up by finding a lead guard/half-court playmaker.

If we get Hield, we should prioritize a better guard/ defender than Dinwiddie or Shroeder.

Can we could swing for the fences for Jrue? Jrich + Matisse + Zhaire + #21 + 2022 1rp?
Jrue - Shake
Hield
Tobias
Ben - Bjelica
Embiid

Just my perfect, ridiculously expensive lineup

[51X3RF4N]

Still feel like Brooklyn makes the most sense for Horford in return for something like Allen, Harris, and Prince.

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Something structured around


To BKN: Horford, Korkmaz, picks?
To SAC: Prince, Richardson
To Philly: Hield, Dinwiddie, Allen, Temple

Can't quite find the incentive for BKN other than getting $4.4M under the tax and getting a better talent starting at C. But losing quite a bit in the process.

For Sacramento its a no brainer. Better fit on the court, 2 shorter cheaper contracts that can subsequently be traded or at the very least gets you out of Hield.

For Sixers, it's really quite perfect.

Brooklyn gives up too much in this scenario (they won't part with Dinwiddie for Horford).

It shouldn't require a 3rd party either. I think something like Horford, Korkmaz, and a 2nd or two for Allen, Harris, and Prince is reasonable and would be entertained on both sides.

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Isn't Harris a free agent though? So it would have to be a sign and trade?

[Sixercise]

I just don't see Sacramento wanting anything to do with that deal. Have to find a 3rd team for Horford to go, and have that team send Sacramento salary relief.

Horford/Korkmaz/#21 for Hield/Bjelica is an easy yes IMO. The only issue is how to follow-up by finding a lead guard/half-court playmaker.

Would Chicago be a good case for a 3rd team (Horford to Chicago, Otto Porter to Sacramento)?

[Sixercise]

Something like this (it won't look too sexy, but it seems fair all around)

76ers trade Horford and Scott to the Bulls, J-Rich and Korkmaz to the Kings
Bulls trade Porter (and one of their cheap big men) to the Kings
Kings trade Hield, Bjelica and Joseph to the 76ers, give the 2nd round pick swapping rights to the Bulls

[ProcessDoctor]

Trade 1: Horford, Korkmaz, #21 for Hield, Bjelica

Trade 2:

DAL out: Wright, #18
DAL in: Richardson

DET out: Rose, Kennard
DET in: Wright, Smith, #18

PHI out: Richardson, Smith
PHI in: Rose, Kennard


Rose(24)/Simmons(20)/Milton(4)
Hield(32)/Milton(16)
Harris(10)/Thybulle(24)/Kennard(14)
Simmons(14)/Harris(24)/Bjelica(10)
Embiid(30)/Bjelica(18)


Rose/Milton/#36
Hield/Burks/#49
Harris/Thybulle/Kennard
Simmons/Scott/#34
Embiid/Bjelica/Pelle


Too-5 offense, borderline top-10 defense? Would probably want one more plus defender to round out the rotation.

[the_process]

Horford and Rose to HOU
Westbrook to DET
Snell, Richardson, 21, and 34 to NOP
Holiday and Rivers to PHI

Simmons/Rivers
Holiday/Milton/Smith
Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harris/Scott
Embiid/?/Pelle

[51X3RF4N]

Draft night trade...

Saddiq Bey falls to #12, we have a trade to announce...

Sacramento sends Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes and #12 to the Sixers for Al Horford, Josh Richardson, Matisse Thybulle, and #21.

Sixers take Saddiq Bey at #12.

Why? Sacramento wants Thybulle back in any deal involving Hield for Horford, but the Sixers want more value. Barnes fits better than Richardson, and vice versa for the Kings. Sixers demand to swap picks if Thybulle is going back out West.

C- Embiid/Pelle
PF- Harris/Scott
SF- Barnes/Bey/Korkmaz
SG- Hield/Shake/Zhaire
PG- Simmons

Still need to plug some holes, but overall Bey is 2 years younger than Matisse, a much more refined offensive player and fit long term with Simmons, and a bit taller/stronger than Matisse. He fits much better at SF.

[Negrodamus]

https://clutchpoints.com/kings-news-buddy-hield-stunned-after-dave-joerger-benches/

http://www.tribune242.com/news/2020/oct/05/hield-odds-kings-coach-walton/

Doesn't defend, doesn't pass, feels entitled as a "star". Sorry, that's a pass for me considering the price.