The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8)

Ursusamericanus · Post #181 » by **Ursusamericanus** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:12 pm

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:

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Crazy considering the players he's faced in the finals, that Butler is the one who does that. Pretty remarkable.

A testament to both Jimmy and LeBron. Hella impressive.

Heej · Post #182 » by **Heej** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:12 pm

nzahir wrote:
Heej wrote:I think the adjustment gotta be what Ty Lue did after going down 3-1. He told the Cavs no more easy switching and you're gonna fight thru all the screens and they'll live with the breakdowns. AD mentioned how the Heat don't really set screens and just slip. Lakers gotta just impose their physicality and stop playing soft

We were still switching vs GS a lot, no?

Here is the biggest adjustment: PLAY WITH **** EFFORT

The lazy switches were so annoying, especially in the 4th.

Lebron and AD were so careless with the ball.

AD was soft AF. The guy is softer than Pau and sometimes mentally fragile or just checked out, like you don't even realize he is in.

I don't expect shooting to be better honestly. DG and KCP will likely shoot much better, but what are the odds Kuzma and Kieff shoot as well from 3? Not high

If we can hit around 35% of our threes, play good d, and have nice games from AD and Bron, we should win it

We switched certain key ones like Steph/Dray but iirc a lot of the small-small pnrs Lue wanted them to fight thru the screen. JR was great on Klay with that.

Greyhound · Post #183 » by **Greyhound** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:42 pm

I agree with cutting down on the switching, I also think the lineup needs to change with Leonard and Olynik out there.

Dwight serves zero purpose if he is out defending at the three point line all game.

I think they should go with the James/ Morris/ Davis front court, even if Bam returns.

Ian Scuffling · Post #184 » by **Ian Scuffling** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:05 pm

Twenty less shots for AD/Lebron than from game 2. Twenty. That cannot happen again. They both need to enforce themselves on the offensive end. I'm looking forward to how they respond and hopefully, it's the way I'm thinking. That will be beautiful.

1993Playoffs · Post #185 » by **1993Playoffs** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:14 pm

Man I just hate the amount of 3 pointers taken in the modern NBA Your just wasting possessions. Ugh I wish It could go back to the mid 2000s early 10s level of attempts.

Will the attempts ever go back down in the future or is the nba permanently like this?

therealbig3 · Post #186 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:33 pm

1993Playoffs wrote:Man I just hate the amount of 3 pointers taken in the modern NBA Your just wasting possessions. Ugh I wish It could go back to the mid 2000s early 10s level of attempts.

Will the attempts ever go back down in the future or is the nba permanently like this?

It's the most efficient shot there is outside of layups and FTs, don't think it's changing any time soon.

therealbig3 · Post #187 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:35 pm

Morris is definitely a good option to have out there instead of Dwight, he's much better at defending the perimeter, and he's been a money 3pt shooter.

Similar to the Houston series, if the Lakers need to go small in order to counter the Heat having 5 shooters out there, Morris is your guy.

therealbig3 · Post #188 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:39 pm

yoyoboy wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Butler's outplaying LeBron and Davis in the Finals. That's nuts.

29.3 ppg / 10.0 apg / 7.3 rpg / 1.7 spg / 69% TS

LA has no answer for this guy.

In what world is he outplaying them in the Finals? He outplayed them in game 3. You really think he was better than them in games 1 and 2?

The gap he has over them in Game 3 is wayyy bigger than the gap they had over him in Game 2 though. In G2 he still put up 25 points, 13 assists, and 8 rebounds while shooting on 56% TS and turning it over just 3 times. And he's been by far Miami's best defender (both man and team) and doesn't have anyone even close to a LeBron or AD level talent to help him share the load. I really think you can make the argument he's been the best guy in this series so far. Even his Game 1 performance while underwhelming definitely wasn't as bad as LeBron and AD's games last night considering their turnovers and poor defensive showings.

Obviously I don't expect this to continue though. I bet both guys bounce back tomorrow and Butler's shooting falls back down to earth a little.

My counterpoint would be that in a 7 game series, it's more about how often you play well, rather than how well you play in a given game. Not to say Butler's performance wasn't important, obviously it was...but for argument's sake, say whoever the best player is between LeBron and Butler on a given night determines which team wins (usually the case when talking about superstars). If LeBron barely outplays Butler 4/7 times, and Butler dominates LeBron 3/7 times...LeBron's team wins because he outplayed Butler more often than not, even though the difference wasn't as big as vice versa.

So who outplayed who overall? I'd say LeBron won that matchup, since a 7 game series is just about winning 4 times, doesn't really matter how you get there.

nzahir · Post #189 » by **nzahir** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:55 pm

Greyhound wrote:I agree with cutting down on the switching, I also think the lineup needs to change with Leonard and Olynik out there.

Dwight serves zero purpose if he is out defending at the three point line all game.

I think they should go with the James/ Morris/ Davis front court, even if Bam returns.

Why wouldn’t Dwight play if Bam is in?

If it’s Meyers and Kelly, then maybe go with that trio.

But I have liked Dwight at times, he just needs to stop making dumb fouls

Heej · Post #190 » by **Heej** » Mon Oct 5, 2020 7:42 pm

Bron is at 28/11/9 on 62% TS
AD is at 27/9/3 on 73% TS (my God)

Bron barely got it for now. ADs efficiency has been unreal. Never in my wildest imagination would I have imagined Jimmy Butler being the best player in this series. I guess they got 2 more games to shut his **** down. He's due for a stinker.

JVL · Post #191 » by **JVL** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 8:31 am

AD is gonna explode tonight.

Greyhound · Post #192 » by **Greyhound** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 3:39 pm

nzahir wrote:
Greyhound wrote:I agree with cutting down on the switching, I also think the lineup needs to change with Leonard and Olynik out there.

Dwight serves zero purpose if he is out defending at the three point line all game.

I think they should go with the James/ Morris/ Davis front court, even if Bam returns.

Why wouldn’t Dwight play if Bam is in?

If it’s Meyers and Kelly, then maybe go with that trio.

But I have liked Dwight at times, he just needs to stop making dumb fouls

Starting Howard against Bam would be fine, but I just think that Davis at the five and Morris at the four is the Lakers best option against Miami.

It Keeps Davis closer to the basket on defense, it allows for better defensive flexibility on the perimeter, and it provides more spacing on offense.

With less then a handful of games remaining in the season, there is no need to goof around anymore. Time is now for the Lakers to roll with their optimal starting five.

nzahir · Post #193 » by **nzahir** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 3:54 pm

Greyhound wrote:
nzahir wrote:
Greyhound wrote:I agree with cutting down on the switching, I also think the lineup needs to change with Leonard and Olynik out there.

Dwight serves zero purpose if he is out defending at the three point line all game.

I think they should go with the James/ Morris/ Davis front court, even if Bam returns.

Why wouldn’t Dwight play if Bam is in?

If it’s Meyers and Kelly, then maybe go with that trio.

But I have liked Dwight at times, he just needs to stop making dumb fouls

Starting Howard against Bam would be fine, but I just think that Davis at the five and Morris at the four is the Lakers best option against Miami.

It Keeps Davis closer to the basket on defense, it allows for better defensive flexibility on the perimeter, and it provides more spacing on offense.

With less then a handful of games remaining in the season, there is no need to goof around anymore. Time is no for the Lakers to roll with their optimal starting five.

I don't mind that either, but even if no Bam, I think Dwight should and will play a bit

KCP, DG, Bron, Kieff, AD
Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma, Dwight

Jr should not **** play 1 second, even if Danny is not 100%. Rather Dion than JR

Heej · Post #194 » by **Heej** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 5:20 pm

I like having Dwight in cuz he crushes on the glass and lets AD lurk on the perimeter and leak out for fastbreaks. Especially since LeBron can grab the board a lot and outlet to him.

Heej · Post #195 » by **Heej** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 5:22 pm

nzahir wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
nzahir wrote:Why wouldn’t Dwight play if Bam is in?

If it’s Meyers and Kelly, then maybe go with that trio.

But I have liked Dwight at times, he just needs to stop making dumb fouls

Starting Howard against Bam would be fine, but I just think that Davis at the five and Morris at the four is the Lakers best option against Miami.

It Keeps Davis closer to the basket on defense, it allows for better defensive flexibility on the perimeter, and it provides more spacing on offense.

With less then a handful of games remaining in the season, there is no need to goof around anymore. Time is no for the Lakers to roll with their optimal starting five.

I don't mind that either, but even if no Bam, I think Dwight should and will play a bit

KCP, DG, Bron, Kieff, AD
Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma, Dwight

Jr should not **** play 1 second, even if Danny is not 100%. Rather Dion than JR

Man f*** both those guys I'd rather have THT in. Let the rooks play dammit, They're built different now. Always thought we would've won Game 1 in 2018 if Lue played Cedi more.

nzahir · Post #196 » by **nzahir** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 5:28 pm

Heej wrote:
nzahir wrote:
Greyhound wrote:Starting Howard against Bam would be fine, but I just think that Davis at the five and Morris at the four is the Lakers best option against Miami.

It Keeps Davis closer to the basket on defense, it allows for better defensive flexibility on the perimeter, and it provides more spacing on offense.

With less then a handful of games remaining in the season, there is no need to goof around anymore. Time is no for the Lakers to roll with their optimal starting five.

I don't mind that either, but even if no Bam, I think Dwight should and will play a bit

KCP, DG, Bron, Kieff, AD
Rondo, Caruso, Kuzma, Dwight

Jr should not **** play 1 second, even if Danny is not 100%. Rather Dion than JR

Man f*** both those guys I'd rather have THT in. Let the rooks play dammit, They're built different now. Always thought we would've won Game 1 in 2018 if Lue played Cedi more.

Cedi player 61 games that year. THT player 6...

THT May be a better option though, who knows how practice has gone

Greyhound · Post #197 » by **Greyhound** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 5:46 pm

Heej wrote:I like having Dwight in cuz he crushes on the glass and lets AD lurk on the perimeter and leak out for fastbreaks. Especially since LeBron can grab the board a lot and outlet to him.

Dwight had a crushless game last game (Olynik has him camped at the three point line). In two fewer minutes then Danny Green (15) he provided the same amount of rebounds (3).

I say spread the floor from the start and let Davis and LeBron go to work. Dwight can provide solid minutes off the bench.

Sublime187 · Post #198 » by **Sublime187** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 6:05 pm

Lakers will win 4-1. They had to complete the esoteric Kobe ritual. He died at 41 so they will win all series 4-1. Book it.

Heej · Post #199 » by **Heej** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 6:10 pm

Greyhound wrote:
Heej wrote:I like having Dwight in cuz he crushes on the glass and lets AD lurk on the perimeter and leak out for fastbreaks. Especially since LeBron can grab the board a lot and outlet to him.

Dwight had a crushless game last game (Olynik has him camped at the three point line). In two fewer minutes then Danny Green (15) he provided the same amount of rebounds (3).

I say spread the floor from the start and let Davis and LeBron go to work. Dwight can provide solid minutes off the bench.

Eh, I'm talking more about ORebs. Rebounds in general are more all over the place now with long misses from 3. I still like the pain Dwight puts on Miami inside when they try to box him out for 20-30 possessions. That's the type of stuff that wears guys down by the 4Q so you can put in your kill lineup with AD at the 5

nzahir · Post #200 » by **nzahir** » Tue Oct 6, 2020 8:06 pm

Greyhound wrote:
Heej wrote:I like having Dwight in cuz he crushes on the glass and lets AD lurk on the perimeter and leak out for fastbreaks. Especially since LeBron can grab the board a lot and outlet to him.

Dwight had a crushless game last game (Olynik has him camped at the three point line). In two fewer minutes then Danny Green (15) he provided the same amount of rebounds (3).

I say spread the floor from the start and let Davis and LeBron go to work. Dwight can provide solid minutes off the bench.

Guys better hit open shots or at that point we are better off with a Dwight who can crash the offensive glass