2019-2020 College/Draft thread IX (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) - Picking 8 who do you NOT want???

[sims]

But I'm still waiting for a show of hands of the guys that thought Justise Winslow was the next Scottie Pippen. Yeah I'm stuck on this cause this is just so indicative of the skewed thinking that some of you guys have.

bro people were comparing winslow to JAMES HARDEN before that draft because he did one eurostep move

[stuporman]

Winslow is built like Charles Barkley but plays like Gnarles Barkley....

[moocow007]

But I'm still waiting for a show of hands of the guys that thought Justise Winslow was the next Scottie Pippen. Yeah I'm stuck on this cause this is just so indicative of the skewed thinking that some of you guys have.

bro people were comparing winslow to JAMES HARDEN before that draft because he did one eurostep move

I remember the clip of D'Angelo Russell and that one pass that had people going nuts and comparing him to all sorts of great point guards in NBA history.

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[moocow007]

Just not a fan of Haliburton. He has loose handles, hops on pretty much every entry pass even though he has long arms and is pretty tall for a point. Do not see a starting PG unless you have another player on the team that you can run the offense through. His shooting percentage from outside will not transition to the degree where he can be considered a consistent deep threat and he's not going to be able to get to the basket against NBA defenses. The Frankiburton nickname makes sense. Between Lewis and Haliburton they might as well go Lewis as Lewis at least has the tools to be a starting NBA PG even though he's kinda raw and will need time to develop.

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[moocow007]

Goofy vibe? By all accounts Haliburton is the perfect teammate and a very high character individual.

also some say he is one of the smartest players in the draft (high bbiq). I never considered Evan Turner a high bbiq guy.

Watch his interview with Schmitz and compare it to others. It's clear his IQ is definitely a notch or 2 above the vast majority of prospects in this draft.

My concerns with him are almost all physical and mechanical.

Yeah. He doesn't have great physical tools and his mechanics (shooting, passing, dribbling) isn't really of high NBA caliber. Again thats IMHO but I do not believe he will transition well into the NBA. He's the Jarrett Culver of this draft. Culver was the same type/caliber of player. Looked pretty good in college across the board but just doesn't have NBA caliber capabilities to translate his college production over. Said that about Culver, said that about Winslow, saying that now about some of the guys folks are going nuts over.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Just not a fan of Haliburton. He has loose handles, hops on pretty much every entry pass even though he has long arms and is pretty tall for a point. Do not see a starting PG unless you have another player on the team that you can run the offense through. His shooting percentage from outside will not transition to the degree where he can be considered a consistent deep threat and he's not going to be able to get to the basket against NBA defenses. The Frankiburton nickname makes sense. Between Lewis and Haliburton they might as well go Lewis as Lewis at least has the tools to be a starting NBA PG even though he's kinda raw and will need time to develop.

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I think a Frankaburton backcourt would be fun and exciting. They're each better when playing next to another facilitator. Perfect!

[Oscirus]

No more slow foot PGs.

I want speed, pushing the fast breaks and break down dribble penetration ability in a PG that can shoot, pass and finish sufficiently enough plus has some defensive energy.

There's only one guy like that who has the potential upside of star player and will be available at 8.....only one.

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Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

Haliburton locked him up and destroyed him offensively

One game means nothing. Esp when you're talking potential.

[HarthorneWingo]

No more slow foot PGs.

I want speed, pushing the fast breaks and break down dribble penetration ability in a PG that can shoot, pass and finish sufficiently enough plus has some defensive energy.

There's only one guy like that who has the potential upside of star player and will be available at 8.....only one.

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Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

Haliburton locked him up and destroyed him offensively

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[HEZI]

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Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

Haliburton locked him up and destroyed him offensively

One game means nothing. Esp when you're talking potential.

He had a similar game against Maxey too. He went 9-23 for 20 points against Cole. All losses and he had the same team that Sexton had but they had a much worse season than when Sexton was there. Meh

[stuporman]

It's tough to tell what happened during games from highlight vids because there are so many plays left out it's better to watch the whole game if it can be found.

Looking at box scores and limited highlight bits leave so much out it's like a scouting video with no weaknesses shown the whole story isn't there.

Not to mention remember how Knox was reported to have dominated both of the Bridges in personal workouts before the draft?

Yea, things aren't always as they appear in small samples.

[sims]

But I'm still waiting for a show of hands of the guys that thought Justise Winslow was the next Scottie Pippen. Yeah I'm stuck on this cause this is just so indicative of the skewed thinking that some of you guys have.

bro people were comparing winslow to JAMES HARDEN before that draft because he did one eurostep move

I remember the clip of D'Angelo Russell and that one pass that had people going nuts and comparing him to all sorts of great point guards in NBA history.

to be fair, dlo looked incredible at OSU - i was a big buyer then and still love his game as a pro, although i expected him to be more of a creator than the scorer he's become. even with the benefit of hindsight he was absolutely the right pick at #2. i also push back on the hayes comparisons to him bc of this when hayes doesn't even have a signature game on his resume.

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[stuporman]

How many 'big PGs' have any sort of success in the league over the past 2 decades or so? Not point fowards like LeBron, Simmons or Luka....players who actually play the 1 and are a big point guard.

Kidd? Penny pre-injury? Will SGA or DLO be that? I can't think of very many since most have become Turner, Exum and the like. I love the idea of a big PG, one that defends the 1 and is 6-5 or something so has a physical advantage.

Will Hali or Hayes break the pattern of underwhelming big PGs? Who knows I guess....

[sims]

How many 'big PGs' have any sort of success in the league over the past 2 decades or so? Not point fowards like LeBron, Simmons or Luka....players who actually play the 1 and are a big point guard.

Kidd? Penny pre-injury? Will SGA or DLO be that? I can't think of very many since most have become Turner, Exum and the like. I love the idea of a big PG, one that defends the 1 and is 6-5 or something so has a physical advantage.

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[RHODEY]

Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

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[2010]

With that form he’s going to be lucky to shoot half that well in the league

JJJ shoots funky as **** and it goes in

Yeah I learned my lesson from that. I nit picked his form and didn’t think it was going to translate to the pros. Haliburton’s shot is the least of my concerns right now

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[Knicksfan1992]

If the Knicks move up it better be to take Okoro or Ball or it's simply not worth it in this draft IMO.

And I think if Okoro isn't there at 8 I would seriously consider moving down, taking Maxey and gaining an extra asset.

You can probably move down to 14 with Boston if Toppin, Wisemen or Okongwu are still there, gain an extra 1st or maybe take a shot on Langford and a 2nd.

I think this is the first draft in recent memory where I think it's realistic the Knicks could take one of 6-8 guys in their spot. Just so much uncertainty at the top. It feels like there isn't a player out there who doesn't have a realistic range of at least 5 spots... Usually these kind of drafts end up as the most fun and stressful.

[NYKnickerbocker]

I’d be good with any of the guys with a decent to good jump shot. Vassel, Nesmith, Hayes, etc. No more brick layers

[HarthorneWingo]

Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

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I'm intrigued by N'Doye too. I posted a video of him awhile back. Here's an in-depth breakdown on his game. Looks like he may be there at 38 in the 2nd round.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

[bleedblue3303]

Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

Watch on YouTube

I'm intrigued by N'Doye too. I posted a video of him awhile back. Here's an in-depth breakdown on his game. Looks like he may be there at 38 in the 2nd round.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

He's 6'7" with a 7'2" wing. Couldn't he play the 3?
Hayes
Frank
N'Doye
have an all french pg sg and sf. Maybe trade for Gobert. is there a good french PF to put in the lineup?

[bleedblue3303]

Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

Watch on YouTube

I'm intrigued by N'Doye too. I posted a video of him awhile back. Here's an in-depth breakdown on his game. Looks like he may be there at 38 in the 2nd round.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

He's 6'7" with a 7'2" wing. Couldn't he play the 3?
Hayes
Frank
N'Doye
have an all french pg sg and sf. Maybe trade for Gobert. is there a good french PF to put in the lineup?

Just checked Embid is fluent in French. Sign me up!!