2019-2020 College/Draft thread IX (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) - Picking 8 who do you NOT want???

moocow007 · Post #1921 » by **moocow007** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 11:21 am

This is what I feel like sometimes when I read this thread.

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-YogiBiz- · Post #1922 » by **-YogiBiz-** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 11:37 am

HEZI wrote:
-YogiBiz- wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Don't see it. Like I said the comp was so weak, so I guess he can look like that against guys who have no shot to ever make the NBA but for an NBA level player I don't see his first step being anywhere close to elite. Now it doesn't have to be for him to still have success in the league but I'm not sold on his shot making and scoring at a high level when he gets to the NBA. He looks like a solid NBA backup though.

I understand what you're saying about his level of comp. but I think you're still underselling his athleticism, ball handling, and his shot.

Not sure I see any elite skill in him as far as what is going to translate to the next level. I think he can be a solid guard off the bench but I don't know if I can see anything more than that.

Well for me I think he has elite quickness, explosiveness, and handle. But I understand why you would have questions about those because of his comp. I just don't.

Zenzibar · Post #1923 » by **Zenzibar** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 11:42 am

Oscirus wrote:
HEZI wrote:
WajaBawl wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Haliburton: 23 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists
Lewis: 8 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds

Haliburton locked him up and destroyed him offensively

One game means nothing. Esp when you're talking potential.

Watch on YouTube

Potential
Potential
Potential

thebuzzardman · Post #1924 » by **thebuzzardman** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 12:58 pm

RHODEY wrote:Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

Watch on YouTube

Yes, with the 2nd rounder and two years in the GLeague

thebuzzardman · Post #1925 » by **thebuzzardman** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 1:00 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

Watch on YouTube

I'm intrigued by N'Doye too. I posted a video of him awhile back. Here's an in-depth breakdown on his game. Looks like he may be there at 38 in the 2nd round.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

He's 6'7" with a 7'2" wing. Couldn't he play the 3?
Hayes
Frank
N'Doye
have an all french pg sg and sf. Maybe trade for Gobert. is there a good french PF to put in the lineup?

moocow007 · Post #1926 » by **moocow007** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 1:46 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

Watch on YouTube

Yes, with the 2nd rounder and two years in the GLeague

Yeah there's some potential but he's raw.

His drives? His drives to the basket are not very smooth though there is potential there with his combination of length and ability to euro step. He almost always goes one way so that will also need to be worked on as he's not explosive enough to be only attacking with the ball in one hand.

Those floaters? I mean yeah, it'll add a bit of diversity to his game but as was mentioned, he should be attacking more and using that length of his to go to the basket. If he only relies on floaters he's going to get a lot of those swatted away as he doesn't elevate very high when the floater leaves his hands (if you notice, he takes those floaters near the basket which means he'll be in range of the tall lengthy athletic front court players that just about every team has nowadays).

His shooting? The form itself seems smooth during the act of shooting, but it takes him too long to set his shot up based on the clips. Notice that he always seems to gather himself in anticipation for taking a shot by starting the ball to his waist, then bringing it up and shooting. He can't be doing that against NBA defenders (and NBA defenses) as it will result in a lot of strips (when he starts that upward motion from waist to ball above head) and, because it takes him so long between the time he catches the ball and shoots, his shots will almost always be well defended. These are the things folks need to be watching that can result in a players shot not being able to successfully transition into the NBA. Can't just simply look at shooting percentages and fantasize about that carrying over into the NBA...it's never that easy.

Not as a 2nd round pick. In general, I'd go with someone like Mamadi Diakite if we're looking for a rangy type talent with potential. From a raw Euro wing standpoint, I like Paul Eboua better.

moocow007 · Post #1927 » by **moocow007** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 1:54 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I'm intrigued by N'Doye too. I posted a video of him awhile back. Here's an in-depth breakdown on his game. Looks like he may be there at 38 in the 2nd round.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/5/12/21240066/abdoulaye-ndoye-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-video

He's 6'7" with a 7'2" wing. Couldn't he play the 3?
Hayes
Frank
N'Doye
have an all french pg sg and sf. Maybe trade for Gobert. is there a good french PF to put in the lineup?

Loose Labia FTW!!!! :lol:

3toheadmelo · Post #1928 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:30 pm

Pat Riley is gonna try to get Kira Lewis. Watch

3toheadmelo · Post #1929 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:56 pm

I’m taking Kira in the top 5

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1930 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 2:57 pm

Read on Twitter

WargamesX · Post #1931 » by **WargamesX** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:03 pm

Right now my pick for the Knicks at 8 is one of Kira, Vassell, dark horse candidate Patrick Williams and Haliburton.

Ideally we would pull some draft trade Jutsu and come away with two of the list.

Traveyknicks23 · Post #1932 » by **Traveyknicks23** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:14 pm

So it seems like yall are split between Hayes hali Kira and Okoro biased views aside who really makes the most sense for us though really?

moocow007 · Post #1933 » by **moocow007** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:32 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Here's the deal with that though (and to play a little Devil's advocate)...most of that was against none conference teams and as a result weak(er) defenses (with lots of holes, poor defensive rotation and lack of shot blockers) and that most of those started with him not being defended hardly at all on the perimeter cause teams didn't respect his 3. So the natural question is how much of that will translate to the NBA, how often from an NBA perspective do those types of shots work against NBA defenses, what types of players can execute those types of moves and would Okoro realistically be that type of player from an NBA perspective (that's the important part)? Maybe he is. That's something that would have to be deciphered. You can do that with comps, you can do that will more in depth study of video, etc. But you can't simply take those numbers and assume that that's proof that he's a shot creator (one of the things that folks have against him) nor (more importantly) that he can do it in the NBA.

8516knicks · Post #1934 » by **8516knicks** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:43 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

Watch on YouTube

Yes, with the 2nd rounder and two years in the GLeague

ANOTHER FRENCH point guard?

moocow007 · Post #1935 » by **moocow007** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:44 pm

Traveyknicks23 wrote:So it seems like yall are split between Hayes hali Kira and Okoro biased views aside who really makes the most sense for us though really?

Vassell appears to be the other guy and I think Kira has a couple heavy followers (just like Tyrell Terry) but I don't know that the general consensus is that for majority he should be considered.

Masses...it's more Hayes, Okoro, Haliburton or Vassell (with Hayes probably more likely be the guy that'll be gone by 8 of the group).

moocow007 · Post #1936 » by **moocow007** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:45 pm

8516knicks wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Could Abdoulaye N'Doye be the big sleeper steal of draft? Im liking this guys ceiling big time.

Watch on YouTube

Yes, with the 2nd rounder and two years in the GLeague

ANOTHER FRENCH point guard?

I don't think he's really a PG (no he's not a 6'6" long limbed big handed athletic PG). More like a wing. Kinda like Frankie but just with some different skillsets. It should be pretty clear to most by now that Frank is not so much a pure NBA PG as he is an NBA wing that can play some point. Another way to look at it is, as a wing, he has excellent ball skills but as an NBA PG, he's got subpar ball skills. That's Frank and, based on clips, also NDoye.

8516knicks · Post #1937 » by **8516knicks** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:55 pm

moocow007 wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Yes, with the 2nd rounder and two years in the GLeague

ANOTHER FRENCH point guard?

I don't think he's really a PG. More like a wing. Kinda like Frankie but just with some different skillsets. It should be pretty clear to most by now that Frank is not so much a pure NBA PG as he is an NBA wing that can play some point.

Think we should consider heavily Tre Jones at #27 - elite D and last 9 ACC games went 8/15 from 3pt and got to the line a lot.

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1938 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:07 pm

moocow007 wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Here's the deal with that though (and to play a little Devil's advocate)...most of that was against none conference teams and as a result weak(er) defenses (with lots of holes, poor defensive rotation and lack of shot blockers). So the natural question is how much of that will translate to the NBA and how often from an NBA perspective do those types of shots work against NBA defenses, what types of players can execute those types of moves and would Okoro realistically be that type of player from an NBA perspective (that's the important part)? Maybe he is. That's something that would have to be deciphered. You can do that with comps, you can do that will more in depth study of video, etc.

I think the finishing and first step will translate just fine. Attacking close outs is a big part of the NBA game and Okoro is definitely big and strong enough to draw enough contact on NBA length. He's a pretty explosive leaper too that I'd expect him to develop some creative finishes with that extra hang time. I think the real question is will NBA defenders close out on him as hard as these kids in college did without a respectable jumper? I'm sure, not every second of every game, players keep the scouting report in mind. So I'm sure he'll get some opportunities to blow past a defender like this but he's going to have to learn to shoot eventually. He's not that freakish of an athlete that if people play off of him he'll be able to get to the rim.

moocow007 · Post #1939 » by **moocow007** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:10 pm

8516knicks wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
8516knicks wrote:ANOTHER FRENCH point guard?

I don't think he's really a PG. More like a wing. Kinda like Frankie but just with some different skillsets. It should be pretty clear to most by now that Frank is not so much a pure NBA PG as he is an NBA wing that can play some point.

Think we should consider heavily Tre Jones at #27 - elite D and last 9 ACC games went 8/15 from 3pt and got to the line a lot.

I would hope so. I like Jones a lot. He's very smart, he's highly competitive, he doesn't turn the ball over, he can run an offense and he handles pressure and big moments extremely, extremely well (which tells me that he should be able to handle the transition to the NBA better than most). Great feel for the game. His shooting is probably not going to be his strength but the fact that he's improved it says that he is willing to put in the work to get better which says something about Jones as a individual. At worse Jones should be one heck of a nice backup PG for a winning team but it would not surprise me if he turns out to be more than that.

RHODEY · Post #1940 » by **RHODEY** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 5:08 pm

moocow007 wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
I don't think he's really a PG. More like a wing. Kinda like Frankie but just with some different skillsets. It should be pretty clear to most by now that Frank is not so much a pure NBA PG as he is an NBA wing that can play some point.

Think we should consider heavily Tre Jones at #27 - elite D and last 9 ACC games went 8/15 from 3pt and got to the line a lot.

I would hope so. I like Jones a lot. He's very smart, he's highly competitive, he doesn't turn the ball over, he can run an offense and he handles pressure and big moments extremely, extremely well (which tells me that he should be able to handle the transition to the NBA better than most). Great feel for the game. His shooting is probably not going to be his strength but the fact that he's improved it says that he is willing to put in the work to get better which says something about Jones as a individual. At worse Jones should be one heck of a nice backup PG for a winning team but it would not surprise me if he turns out to be more than that.

Do you think he'll have a better career than Elfrid Payton?

Who do you NOT want the knicks to pick at 8?