2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

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I didn't watch the debate but I heard Pence asked Harris three times about court packing and she never gave a yes or no. I think that will leave people in the middle awfully uneasy. They're used to nine justices. Contemplating a future that allows that packing behavior will be unsettling IMO.

The people have shown time and again they LIKE it when there are checks and balances to power. When the President is one party and at least one of the House/Sentae is another. A more or less stalemated legislative branch.

What the Democrats are allowing room for thought here is something very different. It's going to get hammered on going forward.

The polls say that the people are gong to crush Trump and the republican Senate.

Perhaps, but they have said that before.

Hillary was supposedly ahead by 14 at this point. At the two week mark they "button down" and "tighten." But really all the pollsters are doing is getting back to reality.

If they tried to maintain the 14 facade they would have looked like idiots. They still looked like idiots to people like myself who looked into the weighting from the beginning but not to the average oaf out there.

I haven't looked at the weighting yet personally. I don't care what they say until the two week mark anyway. That's when it gets serious.

And, how do you think the court packing thing, which will require ending the filibuster, play with the people in the middle? This is a serious flaw in their campaign that is being pushed on them by their base.

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I didn't watch the debate but I heard Pence asked Harris three times about court packing and she never gave a yes or no. I think that will leave people in the middle awfully uneasy. They're used to nine justices. Contemplating a future that allows that packing behavior will be unsettling IMO.

The people have shown time and again they LIKE it when there are checks and balances to power. When the President is one party and at least one of the House/Sentae is another. A more or less stalemated legislative branch.

What the Democrats are allowing room for thought here is something very different. It's going to get hammered on going forward.

The polls say that the people are gong to crush Trump and the republican Senate.

Perhaps, but they have said that before.

Hillary was supposedly ahead by 14 at this point. At the two week mark they "button down" and "tighten." But really all the pollsters are doing is getting back to reality.

If they tried to maintain the 14 facade they would have looked like idiots. They still looked like idiots to people like myself who looked into the weighting from the beginning but not to the average oaf out there.

I haven't looked at the weighting yet personally. I don't care what they say until the two week mark anyway. That's when it gets serious.

And, how do you think the court packing thing, which will require ending the filibuster, play with the people in the middle? This is a serious flaw in their campaign that is being pushed on them by their base.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who would chair the Senate Judiciary Committee if Democrats win back the majority, is against nixing the legislative filibuster, which would be a necessary first step to adding seats to the court.

“Well, I don’t believe in doing that, I think. I think the filibuster serves a purpose. ... I think it’s part of the Senate that differentiates itself,” Feinstein told reporters.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517704-democrats-shoot-down-talk-of-expanding-supreme-court

I honestly don't see that as a meaningful campaign issue on either side.

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I didn't watch the debate but I heard Pence asked Harris three times about court packing and she never gave a yes or no. I think that will leave people in the middle awfully uneasy. They're used to nine justices. Contemplating a future that allows that packing behavior will be unsettling IMO.

The people have shown time and again they LIKE it when there are checks and balances to power. When the President is one party and at least one of the House/Sentae is another. A more or less stalemated legislative branch.

What the Democrats are allowing room for thought here is something very different. It's going to get hammered on going forward.

The polls say that the people are gong to crush Trump and the republican Senate.

Perhaps, but they have said that before.

Hillary was supposedly ahead by 14 at this point. At the two week mark they "button down" and "tighten." But really all the pollsters are doing is getting back to reality.

If they tried to maintain the 14 facade they would have looked like idiots. They still looked like idiots to people like myself who looked into the weighting from the beginning but not to the average oaf out there.

I haven't looked at the weighting yet personally. I don't care what they say until the two week mark anyway. That's when it gets serious.

And, how do you think the court packing thing, which will require ending the filibuster, play with the people in the middle? This is a serious flaw in their campaign that is being pushed on them by their base.

How do you think the whole refusing to acknowledge the campaign results thing which pence evaded tonight as well will fly? Push conspiracy theories all you want, but realize that trumps shooting himself in the foot on a daily basis. Dont want the courts packed? Dont force the dems hand by forcing your nom through using nefarious means.

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Harris did well. Good job.

The only review I needed to see

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Kamala soothed any Republican defectors who had only heard she was a pinko radical and Pence gained zero ground for Trump and this made me very sleepy so good night

Pence was low energy. I’m sure Trump is talking **** about him as we speak. I can’t see anyone deciding to break for Trump after seeing Pence. Kamala didn’t hurt Biden which is the most important point. Just look how Palin absolutely tanked McCain’s presidency.

Well, apples and oranges there. Palin was basically talking gibberish iirc.

Harris did help the ticket though. Despite not laying any big blows, polls are saying that she came out of the debate with a higher rate of appeal than when she entered. Basically, people liked her.

She brought her Mamala hush now energy and it worked

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24-hour Putin people: my week watching Kremlin ‘propaganda channel’ RT

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/29/24-hour-putin-people-my-week-watching-kremlin-propaganda-channel-rt-russia-today

Apologies to Stupor for saying piss off. I do stand by my response that it is ludicrous to call RT editorially independent of Kremlin influence. Lauding them as a bastion of anti-imperialism when they soft pedal any criticism of Russia which is growing in imperialist ambitions all the time is also ludicrous.

RT mastered the art of toying with gullible leftists a long time ago. Some may actually be naive enough to believe they are working for an editorially independent organization, but actually most of those who found out otherwise resigned or left. Those people who agree to work for or get paid for appearances on RT these days just look the other way when they get paid. That's because most people are in on the con except for the gullible ones, some bloggers what have you, and the target audience that believes RT is fighting the power.

RT knows that giving some people a bigger stage is the only seduction necessary to get them to override their better judgment. And what you get is a fair amount of troll commentary mixed in with some news of interest, but the overall gestalt is completely compromised as RT remains an organization dedicated to seeding the minds of non-Russians against their own countries.

It is part of the vast disinfo project that comes from Russia and RT's value is all the much greater the more it can dupe anyone into actually believing it is wholly independent. What a con. I can't believe anyone falls for it.

RT does have smart people involved and there is good material that comes out of it, but there are many instances of their alternative version of the news ending up as just stone cold fake news. Most people not having the time to untangle the real from the fake with RT is part of their modus operandi.

Calling them anti-imperialist when they'll critique the USA, but pretty much brush aside the annexation of Crimea is neither an interesting assertion, nor how a legit news operation works. It's an opinion machine interspersed with selective investigative reporting that sometimes is true. And it is manufacturing dissent against Russia's opponents slowly, but surely over time. They're playing the long game so they can afford to mix it up and confuse the gullible while milking leftist sentiments.

I'm not saying don't read or watch RT, but spare me with the BS that they have no remaining affiliations with the Kremlin. RT was founded by Putin's operatives and funded by him. It remains compromised by that affiliation which still runs in the background.

Would anyone call Al Jazeera a wholly independent organization? It most certainly is not. It is owned by Qatar.

RT is funded by the Russian State. To pretend there are no strings attached is patently absurd. And they are registered as a foreign agent in the U.S. for obvious reasons that shouldn't have to be spelled out to anyone.

I'll leave it here with a quote from an article from the Columbia Journalism Review:

https://archives.cjr.org/feature/what_is_russia_today.php

Another criticism often leveled at RT is that in striving to bring the West an alternate point of view, it is forced to talk to marginal, offensive, and often irrelevant figures who can take positions bordering on the absurd. In March, for instance, RT dedicated a twelve-minute interview to Hank Albarelli, a self-described American “historian” who claims that the CIA is testing dangerous drugs on unwitting civilians. After an earthquake ravaged Haiti earlier this year, RT turned for commentary to Carl Dix, a representative of the American Revolutionary Communist Party, who appeared on air wearing a Mao cap. On a recent episode of Peter Lavelle’s CrossTalk, the guests themselves berated Lavelle for saying that the 9/11 terrorists were not fundamentalists. (The “Truther” claim that 9/11 was an inside job makes a frequent appearance on the channel, though Putin was the first to phone in his condolences to President Bush in 2001.) “I like being counterintuitive,” Lavelle told me. “Being mainstream has been very dangerous for the West.”

This oppositional point of view was especially clear when RT rolled out a series of ads in the U.K. that featured images of Obama and Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and asked, “Who poses the greater nuclear threat?” or conflated pictures of a polar bear and an alien next to the text: “Climate Change: Science fact or science fiction?” (U.S. airports banned the ads until RT devised more politically correct versions; the original ads, meanwhile, won awards in the U.S. and the U.K.)

Coverage and stunts like these have given RT a bad reputation, especially among other Western journalists working in Russia who see RT not as journalism from the other side’s trenches, but as nothing more than Kremlin propaganda. Lavelle sneers at what he sees as supreme naiveté. “The paymaster determines a lot,” he says. “Are you telling me Murdoch doesn’t control the editorial line of his publications? No one can escape who pays for what.” He says he avoids contact with his Western colleagues in Moscow, who are, in turn, supremely contemptuous of most anyone who works for RT. “I am proud of my work,” Lavelle told me defiantly.

The younger members of the RT staff, however, are more pragmatic about the potential conflict—whether internal, ideological, or, down the line, professional—of working for RT. The ones who felt it compromised their careers have left; the rest choose to remove lofty ideals like objectivity from the equation. “Maybe people watch us like a freak show,” Shevardnadze told me, “but I’ve never been even slightly embarrassed. This point of view has a right to exist. We don’t have the pretension of being like CNN, or being as good as bbc, because we’re not. You may totally disagree with what we’re doing, and it’s meant to be that way.” She adds, with a touch of exasperation, “It’s a job. They pay you for it.”

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Pence had no idea.... He thought he was gonna steam roll Malama. Trying talk over her, and over speak on his time limit...

Mamala was like "oh no you don't MF, not on my watch"


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Pence had no idea.... He thought he was gonna steam roll Malama. Trying talk over her, and over speak on his time limit...

Mamala was like "oh no you don't MF, not on my watch"


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I thought she handled Pence like a champ. By the last third of the debate all she had to do was pause and look at him when he tried to interrupt her and you could hear his blood freeze

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Bad mothering skills

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The polls say that the people are gong to crush Trump and the republican Senate.

Perhaps, but they have said that before.

Hillary was supposedly ahead by 14 at this point. At the two week mark they "button down" and "tighten." But really all the pollsters are doing is getting back to reality.

If they tried to maintain the 14 facade they would have looked like idiots. They still looked like idiots to people like myself who looked into the weighting from the beginning but not to the average oaf out there.

I haven't looked at the weighting yet personally. I don't care what they say until the two week mark anyway. That's when it gets serious.

And, how do you think the court packing thing, which will require ending the filibuster, play with the people in the middle? This is a serious flaw in their campaign that is being pushed on them by their base.

How do you think the whole refusing to acknowledge the campaign results thing which pence evaded tonight as well will fly? Push conspiracy theories all you want, but realize that trumps shooting himself in the foot on a daily basis. Dont want the courts packed? Dont force the dems hand by forcing your nom through using nefarious means.

Conspiracy theories? Your own side is calling for packing the courts and your leaders responses are either saying we're keeping all options open or evading the question completely. Explain to me how that is a "conspiracy theory."

And it's your opinion the Republicans deserve what they get on this issue. But you're not in the middle and your position spotlights that. The people in the middle don't give a **** about partisan bickering they don't want their world upended which is what arbitrarily packing the courts would do.

Good luck with getting people in the middle to be A-ok with having extra Justices added to solve a sour grapes political score. You are **** on this issue. Thats why Biden and Harris don't want to answer. They can see that plain as day.

Your best bet was to embrace it under cover of protecting women's abortion rights and calling it a necessary evil. You would get some sympathy there.

This straight up doing it as a power grab is not going to work well with undecided voters. Your desires to pack the courts and end the filibuster are already known. Might as well as go on offense you can't just ignore it now state your case.

The way I suggested is fraught with its own perils but I think it would have given you a better chance.

The Dems haven't accepted the 2016 results yet and you want to shift it to hypothetical in 2020? Ok, but there is actual evidence and actions going against you here it's been a non-stop investigatata/impeachathon since Trump was elected. I don't think you win on that either.

And we haven't even started on Fracking. My God just give away Ohio and Pennsylvania thank you for the gift.