2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

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The polls say that the people are gong to crush Trump and the republican Senate.

Perhaps, but they have said that before.

Hillary was supposedly ahead by 14 at this point. At the two week mark they "button down" and "tighten." But really all the pollsters are doing is getting back to reality.

If they tried to maintain the 14 facade they would have looked like idiots. They still looked like idiots to people like myself who looked into the weighting from the beginning but not to the average oaf out there.

I haven't looked at the weighting yet personally. I don't care what they say until the two week mark anyway. That's when it gets serious.

And, how do you think the court packing thing, which will require ending the filibuster, play with the people in the middle? This is a serious flaw in their campaign that is being pushed on them by their base.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who would chair the Senate Judiciary Committee if Democrats win back the majority, is against nixing the legislative filibuster, which would be a necessary first step to adding seats to the court.

“Well, I don’t believe in doing that, I think. I think the filibuster serves a purpose. ... I think it’s part of the Senate that differentiates itself,” Feinstein told reporters.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/517704-democrats-shoot-down-talk-of-expanding-supreme-court

I honestly don't see that as a meaningful campaign issue on either side.

Feinstein is old, really old. And the power in the party is not in that direction.

Aside from that though is Biden/Harris being publicly asked on a national stage and dodging the issue. If it wasnt a campaign issue before it is now. It's being brought up in debates for a reason, people do have an interest in it.

Will it be a deciding issue? Sure opinions will always vary but it's been noted before Supreme Court issues get more Republicans to the polls. In a close race in a battleground it will certainly be at least one of the deciding issues.

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I expected Trump would look for the flimsiest reason to duck any additional debates. His ego was shattered by how poorly he did in the first one and he doesn't have the stones to show up for another

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Still waiting to hear what happens with Maxwell who remains in a jail cell. Thought this might be of interest in the meantime

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Perhaps, but they have said that before.

Hillary was supposedly ahead by 14 at this point. At the two week mark they "button down" and "tighten." But really all the pollsters are doing is getting back to reality.

If they tried to maintain the 14 facade they would have looked like idiots. They still looked like idiots to people like myself who looked into the weighting from the beginning but not to the average oaf out there.

I haven't looked at the weighting yet personally. I don't care what they say until the two week mark anyway. That's when it gets serious.

And, how do you think the court packing thing, which will require ending the filibuster, play with the people in the middle? This is a serious flaw in their campaign that is being pushed on them by their base.

How do you think the whole refusing to acknowledge the campaign results thing which pence evaded tonight as well will fly? Push conspiracy theories all you want, but realize that trumps shooting himself in the foot on a daily basis. Dont want the courts packed? Dont force the dems hand by forcing your nom through using nefarious means.

Conspiracy theories? Your own side is calling for packing the courts and your leaders responses are either saying we're keeping all options open or evading the question completely. Explain to me how that is a "conspiracy theory."

And it's your opinion the Republicans deserve what they get on this issue. But you're not in the middle and your position spotlights that. The people in the middle don't give a **** about partisan bickering they don't want their world upended which is what arbitrarily packing the courts would do.

Good luck with getting people in the middle to be A-ok with having extra Justices added to solve a sour grapes political score. You are **** on this issue. Thats why Biden and Harris don't want to answer. They can see that plain as day.

Your best bet was to embrace it under cover of protecting women's abortion rights and calling it a necessary evil. You would get some sympathy there.

This straight up doing it as a power grab is not going to work well with undecided voters. Your desires to pack the courts and end the filibuster are already known. Might as well as go on offense you can't just ignore it now state your case.

The way I suggested is fraught with its own perils but I think it would have given you a better chance.

The Dems haven't accepted the 2016 results yet and you want to shift it to hypothetical in 2020? Ok, but there is actual evidence and actions going against you here it's been a non-stop investigatata/impeachathon since Trump was elected. I don't think you win on that either.

And we haven't even started on Fracking. My God just give away Ohio and Pennsylvania thank you for the gift.

OK you dont see it is a two way street? dont you see this is an election yr and by their own standards Linsdey should not be pushing thru any nominee at all? but he back tracked and is now in tight race to save his seat.

You say the dems this or that but these are the push backs from what the senate that has not done to help the average person.
Point in case you refer back to the 2016 election this is not about that to most voters and to cling to that notion is wrong.

This a about the 200k dead needlessly to a virus that should have been handled better by listening to science. You do realize 1/2 of those deaths were preventable if people took precautions but the administration did not push that until it was too late and now people believe it is their right not to listen to science.

This is about over 20k lies told daily to the American people, this is about Americans going hungry and not getting help when they need it the most. This is about the president stopping stimulus talks rather helping people. This is about a tax break that only helped the rich and corporation while the middle and lower class have taken the burden in taxes.

This is about international standing, this is about the deficit rising to levels never seen before for the wrong reasons.

This is about the lies trump has told his racist policies. Do you realize the US has lost more manufacturing jobs then gained even though the admin wont tell you that https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-trade-war-loss-of-manufacturing-jobs-contradicts-purpose-tariffs-2019-10-1028577666# ,
did you know the trade deficit has never been larger in 14 yrs
https://www.ft.com/content/9ee10f23-067b-47b9-88ab-246a82d74647

so by all measurable accounts this administrations have failed and don't deserve a second term. In short this has nothing to do with Obama or Hillary and that tactic is played out by this admin as a distraction from some basic facts. Until this admin get an answer to get answer on this and conveys it to the public which is pretty much tone death now to trump it will be very hard.

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Perhaps, but they have said that before.

Hillary was supposedly ahead by 14 at this point. At the two week mark they "button down" and "tighten." But really all the pollsters are doing is getting back to reality.

If they tried to maintain the 14 facade they would have looked like idiots. They still looked like idiots to people like myself who looked into the weighting from the beginning but not to the average oaf out there.

I haven't looked at the weighting yet personally. I don't care what they say until the two week mark anyway. That's when it gets serious.

And, how do you think the court packing thing, which will require ending the filibuster, play with the people in the middle? This is a serious flaw in their campaign that is being pushed on them by their base.

How do you think the whole refusing to acknowledge the campaign results thing which pence evaded tonight as well will fly? Push conspiracy theories all you want, but realize that trumps shooting himself in the foot on a daily basis. Dont want the courts packed? Dont force the dems hand by forcing your nom through using nefarious means.

Conspiracy theories? Your own side is calling for packing the courts and your leaders responses are either saying we're keeping all options open or evading the question completely. Explain to me how that is a "conspiracy theory."

And it's your opinion the Republicans deserve what they get on this issue. But you're not in the middle and your position spotlights that. The people in the middle don't give a **** about partisan bickering they don't want their world upended which is what arbitrarily packing the courts would do.

Good luck with getting people in the middle to be A-ok with having extra Justices added to solve a sour grapes political score. You are **** on this issue. Thats why Biden and Harris don't want to answer. They can see that plain as day.

Your best bet was to embrace it under cover of protecting women's abortion rights and calling it a necessary evil. You would get some sympathy there.

This straight up doing it as a power grab is not going to work well with undecided voters. Your desires to pack the courts and end the filibuster are already known. Might as well as go on offense you can't just ignore it now state your case.

The way I suggested is fraught with its own perils but I think it would have given you a better chance.

The Dems haven't accepted the 2016 results yet and you want to shift it to hypothetical in 2020? Ok, but there is actual evidence and actions going against you here it's been a non-stop investigatata/impeachathon since Trump was elected. I don't think you win on that either.

And we haven't even started on Fracking. My God just give away Ohio and Pennsylvania thank you for the gift.

If you use the same logic about voters in the middle and undecided voters, then packing the court is not only an irrelevant point, but the idea of ramming through the Supreme Court nomination before the election which is uniformly unpopular with the majority of voters will kill the Republicans. It’s a much worse issue for Trump and Republicans to try and defend because it’s someone that’s fully in their control, but they’re choosing the ignore it. Republicans can put all stop to any talk of packing courts by waiting until whoever wins the Presidency put up the nominee. Even if you leave the seat open until 2021 the court still leans 5-3 Conservative so it’s in Republicans favor. Trying to ram through a confirmation now is just a naked power grab and invalidating the will of the people.

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I expected Trump would look for the flimsiest reason to duck any additional debates. His ego was shattered by how poorly he did in the first one and he doesn't have the stones to show up for another

Of course he’s going to skip the debates. He flames out the last one and now needs an excuse to bow out before looking like even more of a fool.

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How do you think the whole refusing to acknowledge the campaign results thing which pence evaded tonight as well will fly? Push conspiracy theories all you want, but realize that trumps shooting himself in the foot on a daily basis. Dont want the courts packed? Dont force the dems hand by forcing your nom through using nefarious means.

Conspiracy theories? Your own side is calling for packing the courts and your leaders responses are either saying we're keeping all options open or evading the question completely. Explain to me how that is a "conspiracy theory."

And it's your opinion the Republicans deserve what they get on this issue. But you're not in the middle and your position spotlights that. The people in the middle don't give a **** about partisan bickering they don't want their world upended which is what arbitrarily packing the courts would do.

Good luck with getting people in the middle to be A-ok with having extra Justices added to solve a sour grapes political score. You are **** on this issue. Thats why Biden and Harris don't want to answer. They can see that plain as day.

Your best bet was to embrace it under cover of protecting women's abortion rights and calling it a necessary evil. You would get some sympathy there.

This straight up doing it as a power grab is not going to work well with undecided voters. Your desires to pack the courts and end the filibuster are already known. Might as well as go on offense you can't just ignore it now state your case.

The way I suggested is fraught with its own perils but I think it would have given you a better chance.

The Dems haven't accepted the 2016 results yet and you want to shift it to hypothetical in 2020? Ok, but there is actual evidence and actions going against you here it's been a non-stop investigatata/impeachathon since Trump was elected. I don't think you win on that either.

And we haven't even started on Fracking. My God just give away Ohio and Pennsylvania thank you for the gift.

If you use the same logic about voters in the middle and undecided voters, then packing the court is not only an irrelevant point, but the idea of ramming through the Supreme Court nomination before the election which is uniformly unpopular with the majority of voters will kill the Republicans. It’s a much worse issue for Trump and Republicans to try and defend because it’s someone that’s fully in their control, but they’re choosing the ignore it. Republicans can put all stop to any talk of packing courts by waiting until whoever wins the Presidency put up the nominee. Even if you leave the seat open until 2021 the court still leans 5-3 Conservative so it’s in Republicans favor. Trying to ram through a confirmation now is just a naked power grab and invalidating the will of the people.

The Republicans like it or not histrionics aside are following the rules and people can see that. The Democrats are talking about changing the rules entirely. If you think this point is irrelevant well alrighty then, I beg to differ and think it will matter and a lot more than you think.

You don't think you would be going through the roof if Republican were talking about changing the rules entirely and adding whatever Justices it took to get a majority?

I know, the Republicans ended the filibuster for SC nominees because Harry Reid ended it for other federal Judiciary nominees. But IMO most people in the middle get kind of lost and don't really have a dog in the fight in figuring a right or wrong in that situation.

But just adding a bunch of Justices to the bench because you don't like how th ings are turning out? Yeah you'll pay a price for that for sure if you do it. IMO the only way to not pay a price now is if the people don't actually believe you'll follow through on it but I think we've passed that Rubicon.

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How do you think the whole refusing to acknowledge the campaign results thing which pence evaded tonight as well will fly? Push conspiracy theories all you want, but realize that trumps shooting himself in the foot on a daily basis. Dont want the courts packed? Dont force the dems hand by forcing your nom through using nefarious means.

Conspiracy theories? Your own side is calling for packing the courts and your leaders responses are either saying we're keeping all options open or evading the question completely. Explain to me how that is a "conspiracy theory."

And it's your opinion the Republicans deserve what they get on this issue. But you're not in the middle and your position spotlights that. The people in the middle don't give a **** about partisan bickering they don't want their world upended which is what arbitrarily packing the courts would do.

Good luck with getting people in the middle to be A-ok with having extra Justices added to solve a sour grapes political score. You are **** on this issue. Thats why Biden and Harris don't want to answer. They can see that plain as day.

Your best bet was to embrace it under cover of protecting women's abortion rights and calling it a necessary evil. You would get some sympathy there.

This straight up doing it as a power grab is not going to work well with undecided voters. Your desires to pack the courts and end the filibuster are already known. Might as well as go on offense you can't just ignore it now state your case.

The way I suggested is fraught with its own perils but I think it would have given you a better chance.

The Dems haven't accepted the 2016 results yet and you want to shift it to hypothetical in 2020? Ok, but there is actual evidence and actions going against you here it's been a non-stop investigatata/impeachathon since Trump was elected. I don't think you win on that either.

And we haven't even started on Fracking. My God just give away Ohio and Pennsylvania thank you for the gift.

OK you dont see it is a two way street? dont you see this is an election yr and by their own standards Linsdey should not be pushing thru any nominee at all? but he back tracked and is now in tight race to save his seat.

You say the dems this or that but these are the push backs from what the senate that has not done to help the average person.
Point in case you refer back to the 2016 election this is not about that to most voters and to cling to that notion is wrong.

This a about the 200k dead needlessly to a virus that should have been handled better by listening to science. You do realize 1/2 of those deaths were preventable if people took precautions but the administration did not push that until it was too late and now people believe it is their right not to listen to science.

This is about over 20k lies told daily to the American people, this is about Americans going hungry and not getting help when they need it the most. This is about the president stopping stimulus talks rather helping people. This is about a tax break that only helped the rich and corporation while the middle and lower class have taken the burden in taxes.

This is about international standing, this is about the deficit rising to levels never seen before for the wrong reasons.

This is about the lies trump has told his racist policies. Do you realize the US has lost more manufacturing jobs then gained even though the admin wont tell you that https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-trade-war-loss-of-manufacturing-jobs-contradicts-purpose-tariffs-2019-10-1028577666# ,
did you know the trade deficit has never been larger in 14 yrs
https://www.ft.com/content/9ee10f23-067b-47b9-88ab-246a82d74647

so by all measurable accounts this administrations have failed and don't deserve a second term. In short this has nothing to do with Obama or Hillary and that tactic is played out by this admin as a distraction from some basic facts. Until this admin get an answer to get answer on this and conveys it to the public which is pretty much tone death now to trump it will be very hard.

That's what you think this is about. That's not what I think this is about obviously. It shouldn't be any less obvious that the people in the middle will think differently than either of us.

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The "middle"?

Polling confirmed over 60% of the public wants to wait for the next administration to choose the next justice

The "middle"?

Yeah, the Villages are showing right now what that middle is doing: migrating to Biden en masse

Trump now represents instability and lack of security for middle of the road voters and it is showing.

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Annnnnnnnnd "abrasive and condescending" is code for....

Lol at undecided.

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The "middle"?

Polling confirmed over 60% of the public wants to wait for the next administration to choose the next justice

The "middle"?

Yeah, the Villages are showing right now what that middle is doing: migrating to Biden en masse

Trump now represents instability and lack of security for middle of the road voters and it is showing.

Most Americans don't know what court packing is, let alone making it the centerpiece of their decision making process.

They all know what "not accepting the results of the election" means though.

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Marco Rubio is one of the dumbest people in politics today

it's really what has held him back in his pursuit of bigger roles.

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Annnnnnnnnd "abrasive and condescending" is code for....

Lol at undecided.

that's embarrassing. lol.

we also know what "presidential" means. coded language for the win.

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I watched Trump's interview on Fox Business this morning. You can tell his major concern with doing a virtual debate is the moderator can mute him at any point which would limit him greatly. His bullying tactics of always trying to speak over his opposition would be greatly reduced and he'd be forced into a debate of actual substance and not who screams the loudest.

He's going to have to accept the format for the Town Hall debate if he wants to try and crawl back into this election.

On a side note, the vaccine trials from Moderna and Pfizer came back with significant side effects from their trial studies. This is the risk of trying to expedite a vaccine in less than a year, a timeline unheard of in the pharmaceutical industry. Trump's obviously going to hitch his wagon to getting this vaccine out as soon as possible irrespective of its efficaciousness or side effect profile.

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I expected Trump would look for the flimsiest reason to duck any additional debates. His ego was shattered by how poorly he did in the first one and he doesn't have the stones to show up for another

Of course he’s going to skip the debates. He flames out the last one and now needs an excuse to bow out before looking like even more of a fool.

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I expected Trump would look for the flimsiest reason to duck any additional debates. His ego was shattered by how poorly he did in the first one and he doesn't have the stones to show up for another

Of course he’s going to skip the debates. He flames out the last one and now needs an excuse to bow out before looking like even more of a fool.

On Fox News today, Trump said one of the reasons he is refusing to do a virtual debate is because "They cut you off whenever they want." Umm... YEAH!

He's mad he won't be allowed to steamroll and talk over Biden like before because they would simply cut his mic. Being forced to follow the rules was ultimately a deal-breaker for him.

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Conspiracy theories? Your own side is calling for packing the courts and your leaders responses are either saying we're keeping all options open or evading the question completely. Explain to me how that is a "conspiracy theory."

And it's your opinion the Republicans deserve what they get on this issue. But you're not in the middle and your position spotlights that. The people in the middle don't give a **** about partisan bickering they don't want their world upended which is what arbitrarily packing the courts would do.

Good luck with getting people in the middle to be A-ok with having extra Justices added to solve a sour grapes political score. You are **** on this issue. Thats why Biden and Harris don't want to answer. They can see that plain as day.

Your best bet was to embrace it under cover of protecting women's abortion rights and calling it a necessary evil. You would get some sympathy there.

This straight up doing it as a power grab is not going to work well with undecided voters. Your desires to pack the courts and end the filibuster are already known. Might as well as go on offense you can't just ignore it now state your case.

The way I suggested is fraught with its own perils but I think it would have given you a better chance.

The Dems haven't accepted the 2016 results yet and you want to shift it to hypothetical in 2020? Ok, but there is actual evidence and actions going against you here it's been a non-stop investigatata/impeachathon since Trump was elected. I don't think you win on that either.

And we haven't even started on Fracking. My God just give away Ohio and Pennsylvania thank you for the gift.

If you use the same logic about voters in the middle and undecided voters, then packing the court is not only an irrelevant point, but the idea of ramming through the Supreme Court nomination before the election which is uniformly unpopular with the majority of voters will kill the Republicans. It’s a much worse issue for Trump and Republicans to try and defend because it’s someone that’s fully in their control, but they’re choosing the ignore it. Republicans can put all stop to any talk of packing courts by waiting until whoever wins the Presidency put up the nominee. Even if you leave the seat open until 2021 the court still leans 5-3 Conservative so it’s in Republicans favor. Trying to ram through a confirmation now is just a naked power grab and invalidating the will of the people.

The Republicans like it or not histrionics aside are following the rules and people can see that. The Democrats are talking about changing the rules entirely. If you think this point is irrelevant well alrighty then, I beg to differ and think it will matter and a lot more than you think.

You don't think you would be going through the roof if Republican were talking about changing the rules entirely and adding whatever Justices it took to get a majority?

I know, the Republicans ended the filibuster for SC nominees because Harry Reid ended it for other federal Judiciary nominees. But IMO most people in the middle get kind of lost and don't really have a dog in the fight in figuring a right or wrong in that situation.

But just adding a bunch of Justices to the bench because you don't like how th ings are turning out? Yeah you'll pay a price for that for sure if you do it. IMO the only way to not pay a price now is if the people don't actually believe you'll follow through on it but I think we've passed that Rubicon.

You’re not getting what I’m saying. The vast majority of American people want the Supreme Court confirmation after the election. That includes people in the middle and undecided voters. Republicans made up arbitrary rules under President Obama and there is video evidence of many of them saying that they wouldn’t fill a Supreme Court seat under Trump. What’s fair is fair and what they’re doing now shows that they can’t be trusted at their word. Unless you’re a hardcore Republican voter, the vast majority of people can see the hypocrisy and bull stance, even Republicans.

The problem with the Republicans is that they want to use power above fairness and norms, but then complain if Democrats do the same. It’s cynical and rightly seen for the bull it is by voters