Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[Asian Celtic]

Hi, guys. I love what Hayward brings but I also am intrigued about the value of a max salary slot MINUS Hayward on the team. I’m bad at contract stuff.
Could Celtics make a deal for Aldridge and Rudy Gay ( a talent win for SA )and then because these two guys then expire that opens a max salary slot for us to be players in free agency?
If this is the case it sounds great to me but when Giannis can only go to 1 team, can we essentially keep that slot open for the next season? Sorry if this was confusing. Thanks!!

I saw that same trade proposed on ig....Hayward/semi for gay/LMA

With all the trades I propose, that is one I considered a couple of times.

There is no doubt that Aldridge is a definite upgrade to Theis. and he is a large expiring. could work
Gay brings some bench offense.

both good vets.

be interesting trade


Think Spurs would do:

Hayward, Kanter
for
Aldridge, Gay,

Kemba/Edwards
Smart/Romeo
Brown/Gay
Tatum/GrantW
Aldridge/Theis/Timelord/Poirier

Pretty weird that we're trying to acquire the player that was suppoed to be Tatum's ceiling

I'd be down with this one if we can somehow tweak Rudy a little for a spur guard.

[Asian Celtic]

I was under the impression that after Aldridge and Gay’s seasons were up here that we’d have this max salary slot Open so it’d be worth the talent drop. My bad.
If we don’t break up the core, somehow stay healthy, Add a Baynes at the mid level( seems a stretch), draft a sharpshooter like Desmond Bane ( or whoever you perceive to be a great shooter coming in, WHO do you think is worth giving up first round pick or picks for?
JJ Reddick
Derrick Rose
Maybe it’s still another big instead? It seems like things like this COULD be done. But is it good enough? I don’t know.

I like jj reddick as a backup sg, but he and Kemba should not be on the floor at the same time. He alone would open up the driving lanes more than anyone in our roster could. Reputation as a sharpshooter helps keep opponents defenses on edge.

[MagicBagley18]

I have no idea if this is legit, but just saw a 'rumour' of Aldridge and gay for hayward, semi and 2020 1st. Assuming its not 14, I like the move. 4 expiring deals, we fill a position of need and get some vets on the team.

Aldridge is 35 years old and just had shoulder surgery. Plus, he has never developed a three point shot. No thanks.

And Miles Turner isn't happening. Pritchard has to find an Oladipo deal first. And Frankly I'd rather get Sabonis.

I don’t think Sabonis is even on the table nor is tuner (for us) and while I don’t really care for the LMA package much he did shoot 38% from 3 on 3 attempts last season- his best in career and most attempted in his career per game. To fill the theis role we don’t need him to shoot more than that or have anything more than the threat to be able to hit an open shot.

Again, really not about the deal at all but just food for thought. he’s def more durable than Hayward even at 35 but again don’t love that deal at all

[ConstableGeneva]

Isn't Aldridge slow af? (Same with Vuc.) Bam might just dribble past/around him. Dwight Howard is only playing about 14 mpg vs the Heat. Lakers are the ones adjusting, not the other way around. It helps that they have the best smallball 4 and smallball 5 in the world lol. If we want to replace Theis, we'd still need a 5 who can defend all positions, can defend in space against so much shooting, and wouldn't be a liability on offense. I don't think Aldridge is the answer. Remember we still have Kemba at the PG position defending for at least 36 mpg in a playoff game.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

I have solved the offseason! Maybe!

Dallas in: Hayward
out: THJ, Wright, 18 and 31
reasons...blah, blah, blah

Memphis in: THJ, Poirier
out: Dieng
Memphis adds a floor spacer at the wing (a need) and move one of their multiple centers (a need) add no extra salary (great)

Detroit in: Wright, Edwards, #14, #26, #30, #47
out: #7
Detroit needs players with only 9 under contract, this allows them to swing for the fences this offseason, tank out and run all young guys.

Boston in: Dieng, #7, #18, #31
out: Hayward, edwards, Poirier, #14, #26, #30, #47
Boston adds a legit center who can block shots, rebound, and shoot threes while playing above average defense. Should be able to grab the picks they like at these spots and will be far enough below the tax to use the MLE. (118.2 million in salary before signing draft picks)

Haliburton at 7
Bane, Ramsey, Terry, Bey etc at 18
#31 is Joe or BPA
MLE on vet wing and pg


Kemba/Haliburton (#7)/MLE
Smart/Romeo/Joe (#31)
Brown/Bane (#18)/MLE
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Dieng/Kanter/Timelord

This one's pretty solid. I might make different picks (Reed!), butthe trades all seem fair and good for us. Consolidating to 7, getting to spots for FAs, all pretty good.

[100proof]

We are trading for a skillset that improves the team as a whole. Not because he sucks on his current team and system. We need a bigman, who is available other than Turner?

We need for Timelord to develop.

SO my suggestions for a big man are as follows. Some need a trade, some need MLE:

Aron Baynes
Naz Reid
Valanciunas
Dieng
Bryant

Theis was 18th in Value added this past season, and Kanter was 16th in value added. Center is not a glaring weakness on this team, contrary to popular belief(Turner was 30 in value added FYI)

Baynes would bring toughness, shotblocking and better floor spacing as well as his maturity and fun attitude. Perfect add for a season, allows for Theis to come off bench at the PF spot with Kanter at Center.

Naz Reid, very nicely developing offensive game. Good rebounder, high energy, not a great rim protector, but is learning fast. COuld be better than Timelord.

JV, strong, sets great screens, can shoot the three. Good shotblocker, excellent rebounder, can defend his space but isnt the best at switching.

Dieng, kind of a cross between Baynes and JV with a more footspeed. Would be a great mentor for Timelord, is an expiring deal.

Bryant is young and has potential to be a top 10 center in the nba.

I like the Baynes part as he already knows Brad's system. But who do we realistically trade to try and get him for salary matching?

Baynes is a FA

no need to trade for him, just need to free enough capspace to use the non tax payer mle

[100proof]

Spoiler:

I have solved the offseason! Maybe!

Dallas in: Hayward
out: THJ, Wright, 18 and 31
reasons...blah, blah, blah

Memphis in: THJ, Poirier
out: Dieng
Memphis adds a floor spacer at the wing (a need) and move one of their multiple centers (a need) add no extra salary (great)

Detroit in: Wright, Edwards, #14, #26, #30, #47
out: #7
Detroit needs players with only 9 under contract, this allows them to swing for the fences this offseason, tank out and run all young guys.

Boston in: Dieng, #7, #18, #31
out: Hayward, edwards, Poirier, #14, #26, #30, #47
Boston adds a legit center who can block shots, rebound, and shoot threes while playing above average defense. Should be able to grab the picks they like at these spots and will be far enough below the tax to use the MLE. (118.2 million in salary before signing draft picks)

Haliburton at 7
Bane, Ramsey, Terry, Bey etc at 18
#31 is Joe or BPA
MLE on vet wing and pg


Kemba/Haliburton (#7)/MLE
Smart/Romeo/Joe (#31)
Brown/Bane (#18)/MLE
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Dieng/Kanter/Timelord

This one's pretty solid. I might make different picks (Reed!), butthe trades all seem fair and good for us. Consolidating to 7, getting to spots for FAs, all pretty good.

Throw enough darts at the board.

[djFan71]

Isn't Aldridge slow af? (Same with Vuc.) Bam might just dribble past/around him. Dwight Howard is only playing about 14 mpg vs the Heat. Lakers are the ones adjusting, not the other way around. It helps that they have the best smallball 4 and smallball 5 in the world lol. If we want to replace Theis, we'd still need a 5 who can defend all positions, can defend in space against so much shooting, and wouldn't be a liability on offense. I don't think Aldridge is the answer. Remember we still have Kemba at the PG position defending for at least 36 mpg in a playoff game.

Yeah, if I took any old Spur it'd be Mills or even DDR (ducks).

[BK_2020]

DDR is not the same Toronto Defrozen. Since moving to SF and giving up on shooting the 3 he's become super efficient and good on D. I would do a Kemba for DDR swap any day and let Hayward run the point.

[ddb]

Isn't Aldridge slow af? (Same with Vuc.) Bam might just dribble past/around him. Dwight Howard is only playing about 14 mpg vs the Heat. Lakers are the ones adjusting, not the other way around. It helps that they have the best smallball 4 and smallball 5 in the world lol. If we want to replace Theis, we'd still need a 5 who can defend all positions, can defend in space against so much shooting, and wouldn't be a liability on offense. I don't think Aldridge is the answer. Remember we still have Kemba at the PG position defending for at least 36 mpg in a playoff game.

Yeah, if I took any old Spur it'd be Mills or even DDR (ducks).

I hate to say it because I have a soft spot for the Spurs from my days working there, but they currently have zero to offer in potential trades. LMA? Might as well wait until he's a free agent and hope he'll take the taxpayer exception to chase a ring. DDR? no thanks. Mills? If the asking price is low.

I'm more interested in finding out if Utah brass is open to moving Gobert. He'd be a great fit in Boston. His interior defense is so damn good when paired with the Celtics tough perimeter defense the Celtics would be a top defensive team. Absolute nightmare to play against. Something like a 3-team deal between Boston, Utah, Indy.

Hayward/Edwards/Langford to Indy
Gobert/Ingles to Boston
Turner/Lamb/#26/#30 to Utah

for Boston they would become a top defense team. you start Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Gobert. 2 1st team defenders in the lineup with 3 20ppg scorers. Not to mention Brown/Tatum are good defenders too.
Ingles brings some of what you're losing in Hayward in that he can pass and shoot. I think he'd do well complimenting the starters and being a go-to bench option.

for indy they move on from a player in Turner that seemingly wants to leave anyway. Bringing in Hayward is a good way of trying to convince Dipo to stay. Brogdon/Dipo/Hayward/Warren/Sabonis is a real solid core if Dipo/Hayward are healthy which I think they both will be.

for Utah you bring in Turner who stretches the floor. Pair him with Mitchell. Lamb gives you a scoring punch on 2nd unit. 2 first round picks from Boston to add to the young talent pool.

to me this is a deal that works for all 3 teams

[Roddy]

DDR is not the same Toronto Defrozen. Since moving to SF and giving up on shooting the 3 he's become super efficient and good on D. I would do a Kemba for DDR swap any day and let Hayward run the point.

That's the problem. People still remember DeRozan as a Raptor because they haven't see him play with SA.
He is now a great playmaker, excellent passer, above average defender...and like Kemba, the guy has a big smile on his face most of the time.

Kemba
DeRozan
Brown
Tatum
Baynes

[100proof]

DDR is not the same Toronto Defrozen. Since moving to SF and giving up on shooting the 3 he's become super efficient and good on D. I would do a Kemba for DDR swap any day and let Hayward run the point.

That's the problem. People still remember DeRozan as a Raptor because they haven't see him play with SA.
He is now a great playmaker, excellent passer, above average defender...and like Kemba, the guy has a big smile on his face most of the time.

Kemba
DeRozan
Brown
Tatum
Baynes

If Derozan becomes a celtics i will be forced to stop watching the celtics.

He is everything celtics basketball ISNT.

[Roddy]

DDR is not the same Toronto Defrozen. Since moving to SF and giving up on shooting the 3 he's become super efficient and good on D. I would do a Kemba for DDR swap any day and let Hayward run the point.

That's the problem. People still remember DeRozan as a Raptor because they haven't see him play with SA.
He is now a great playmaker, excellent passer, above average defender...and like Kemba, the guy has a big smile on his face most of the time.

Kemba
DeRozan
Brown
Tatum
Baynes

If Derozan becomes a celtics i will be forced to stop watching the celtics.

He is everything celtics basketball ISNT.

Hard working guy playing defense and unselfish ?

[100proof]

variation on my prev. posted trade.

Dallas gets Hayward
Grizzlies get THJ
Magic get Delon Wright
Knicks get Edward, Poirier, #30, #47
Celtics get Dieng, Ross, Denis SMith Jr, #18, #31

left with picks 14, 18, 26, 31

Kemba/Smith Jr
Smart/Romeo
Brown/Ross
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Dieng/Kanter/Timelord

Net of the trade(s)
in: Dieng, Denis Smith Jr, Terrence Ross, #18, #31
out: Hayward, Poirier, Edwards, #30, #47

Package picks with Kanter for Capspace and future picks, or package picks to move up.



or


Dallas gets Hayward
Memphis gets THJ
Orlando get Wright, Edwards, Poirier, #26, #30
Boston gets Dieng, Ross, brunson, #18, #31 (6 mill in savings)

Kemba/Brunson/Terry
Smart/Romeo/Joe
Brown/Ross/GrantW
Tatum/Theis/Tillie
Dieng/Kanter/Timelord

pick 14, 18, 31, 47 and MLE. Can pick up 2 draft and stash and use MLE

14 -Terry
18- poku (stash)
31 - Joe
47 - Tillie

be at 15 players without using the TPE

[100proof]

That's the problem. People still remember DeRozan as a Raptor because they haven't see him play with SA.
He is now a great playmaker, excellent passer, above average defender...and like Kemba, the guy has a big smile on his face most of the time.

Kemba
DeRozan
Brown
Tatum
Baynes

If Derozan becomes a celtics i will be forced to stop watching the celtics.

He is everything celtics basketball ISNT.

Hard working guy playing defense and unselfish ?

Emar Erozen. Does pass the ball better than he ever has, but he is certainly missing the D

[100proof]

So working on an idea involving Dieng and Hayward, but need the 3rd team.

Premise is Hayward and Poirier to Memphis for Dieng, Anderson, #40 and a top 10 proected 2021 first from Memphis

but want to find a 3rd team to take on Anderson, salary from boston and maybe pick(s) for something more usable than Anderson.

Ideas for the 3rd team are:

Chicago - Satoransky for Anderson and Edwards
NYK - Frank or Smith Jr for Anderson, edwards and a pick (s)
Sacramento - Hield or Barnes for Anderson, Kanter, Edwards, pick
New Orleans - Reddick for Anderson, Edwards, Pick
Cleveland - Exum for Anderson, Edwards
San Antonio - Gay for Anderson and Edwards
Detroit, Snell for Anderson, Edwards and a pick
Orlando - Ross or Fournier for Anderson, Kanter and pick(s)

Think any work?

[GoCeltics123]

If Derozan becomes a celtics i will be forced to stop watching the celtics.

He is everything celtics basketball ISNT.

Hard working guy playing defense and unselfish ?

Emar Erozen. Does pass the ball better than he ever has, but he is certainly missing the D

Yeah, DeRozan has absolutely never been a good defender. Ever.

Plus he has zero off-ball ability to score, which means, like Oladipo, he doesn't fit next to Tatum or Brown at all.

[Ernest]

Hi, guys. I love what Hayward brings but I also am intrigued about the value of a max salary slot MINUS Hayward on the team. I’m bad at contract stuff.
Could Celtics make a deal for Aldridge and Rudy Gay ( a talent win for SA )and then because these two guys then expire that opens a max salary slot for us to be players in free agency?
If this is the case it sounds great to me but when Giannis can only go to 1 team, can we essentially keep that slot open for the next season? Sorry if this was confusing. Thanks!!

The short answer is no.

[celtxman]

We are trading for a skillset that improves the team as a whole. Not because he sucks on his current team and system. We need a bigman, who is available other than Turner?

Vucevic is my pipe dream. Orlando just signed him to a 4-year contract, and they're not competing anytime soon (+Isaac is out next year). Then they have Bamba who they'll probably start pushing to see what they've got in him before his rookie contract is up.

once it was clear Irving was out I was hoping for getting Vucevic, and signing Rondo to the MLE.

[captain green]

We are trading for a skillset that improves the team as a whole. Not because he sucks on his current team and system. We need a bigman, who is available other than Turner?

Vucevic is my pipe dream. Orlando just signed him to a 4-year contract, and they're not competing anytime soon (+Isaac is out next year). Then they have Bamba who they'll probably start pushing to see what they've got in him before his rookie contract is up.

once it was clear Irving was out I was hoping for getting Vucevic, and signing Rondo to the MLE.

Me too was in the vucevic over kemba camp. Oh well still can dream it