OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[Caboclo]

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797 cases today

Ontario faces 'runaway train' of COVID-19 cases if families don't scrap Thanksgiving gatherings, doctor warns

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-thanksgiving-covid-1.5754555

[Clay Davis]

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797 cases today

Ontario faces 'runaway train' of COVID-19 cases if families don't scrap Thanksgiving gatherings, doctor warns

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-thanksgiving-covid-1.5754555

That's less than 2% of tests admitted coming back positive...

[M3tro]

Everyone ready for a very Merry lockdown Christmas??

[DelAbbot]

Provincial gov being really short sighted here. They are delaying more restrictive measures on the hot spots (GTA) right now. They will pay for it when cases get out of control and affect Christmas shopping season.

[SocialistHipHop]

I bet you don't own a business of your own which is why you care so little about people losing their livelihoods and going bankrupt and why its so easy for you to simply say 'do whatever's necessary' to stop the spread. I bet you would be saying something totally different if you had a restuarant that was on the brink of collapse and you wouldn't be saying 'Oh well that's ok. Me going out of business for the greater good is completely fine and worth it.'

I was laid off as a result of the industry I am in losing a ton of money....and I am perfectly okay with that because stopping the virus is more important than me losing some money in the short term.

Same

[Hero]

Any idea why the number of cases is rising?
Is it as simple as schools etc being open so more contact?

In reality it is such a big tradeoff if we were to close more businesses etc down. If our hospitals aren't close to being overwhelmed it should be avoided.

[Basketball_Jones]

Any idea why the number of cases is rising?
Is it as simple as schools etc being open so more contact?

In reality it is such a big tradeoff if we were to close more businesses etc down. If our hospitals aren't close to being overwhelmed it should be avoided.

I honestly feel it’s schools and gatherings. Having been to Vancouver and saw how long their cases stayed low with indoor dining and no masks required, I don’t think it’s fair to shut all restaurants. I get the doctors have to prioritize health over the economy, so it’s up to Ford to come up with a better plan then their one size fits all shut downs of businesses

[jaymeister15]

Any idea why the number of cases is rising?
Is it as simple as schools etc being open so more contact?

In reality it is such a big tradeoff if we were to close more businesses etc down. If our hospitals aren't close to being overwhelmed it should be avoided.

It appears a decent amount of the increase in positive tests lately would be students.

The 0-19 age bracket has accounted for only 8% of the total cases (5,033 of 56,752) and was probably much lower than that before Sept, but I can't find confirmation of that easily.

For the last two days, that age group has accounted for about double that, 18% and 15% of the new cases each day---105 of 571 new cases on Oct 6, 126 of 799 on Oct 7. I haven't looked back further over the last couple weeks, but would guess it's been similar.

What could be considered a positive is that the actual difference in number of kids getting infected now vs. the number in March/April or before school started is anyone's guess though. Most people in that age group would be asymptomatic or have mild symptons, and never would have had a reason to go and get tested during the first wave. But, now need to get tested with any minor symptom or if there were other positive tests around them at school in order to go back (same with younger people working jobs that require negative tests)

With such a higher percentage of positive tests coming from people in the younger age groups, that in all likely hood won't require hospitalization, vs the first wave it would seem to suggest hospitalizations should still relatively low/flat.

[Bankai]

I think this "2nd wave" is part self inflicted. A reason why numbers lowered during the summer is because of CERB. Millions of Canadians were supported while they were able to stay safe at home. Now CERB is over. Is it a coincidence that Cases are rising again at the same time? People feel pressured to leave their homes and go look for work, or school, thus now they are at higher risk of getting infected. You want people to stay home, but people cant afford to anymore. This has put Canadians between a rock and hard place. They are being pushed to go outside, while the weather gets colder.

[omar36]

Provincial gov being really short sighted here. They are delaying more restrictive measures on the hot spots (GTA) right now. They will pay for it when cases get out of control and affect Christmas shopping season.

yea i dont get why they are waiting, almost like they want it to get wrorse. just make more restrcitions on hot sports, no need to close anything. just increase the limits on gatherigns and for places like gyms/resturants/etc. seems simple

[Basketball_Jones]

75 to me is still too many people indoors. Should really be based on the size of your business and 50 percent capacity. A total shutdown when u still have car rallies, house parties, and hundreds of school infections isn’t solving the problem

[Hipster Doofus]

Everyone ready for a very Merry lockdown Christmas??

On Christmas Eve, Santa be droppin his sh.t all over the place and getting the f*** outta here.

[Westside Gunn]

what's happening now it looks like the policy makers are confused. the economic cost of the lockdown was probably too much for the lives it saved. now, they are choosing to be more lenient, until it gets really out of hand. bringing back the province or the hotspots to a lower stage will be too costly economically.

people don't realize how much money had to be printed. like it long term **** the cities, province, and the country as a whole. now they are talking about taxing any gains on your principal residence. god knows whats next. now they are thinking about negative interest rates. more household debt on the way with cheap money.

this was probably the easiest thing to do. stay at home, stay in small groups, dont crowd. but people continued to do the opposite. we are so not ready for a more severe crisis. too **** selfish.

[execoftheyear]

Any idea why the number of cases is rising?
Is it as simple as schools etc being open so more contact?

In reality it is such a big tradeoff if we were to close more businesses etc down. If our hospitals aren't close to being overwhelmed it should be avoided.

It appears a decent amount of the increase in positive tests lately would be students.

The 0-19 age bracket has accounted for only 8% of the total cases (5,033 of 56,752) and was probably much lower than that before Sept, but I can't find confirmation of that easily.

For the last two days, that age group has accounted for about double that, 18% and 15% of the new cases each day---105 of 571 new cases on Oct 6, 126 of 799 on Oct 7. I haven't looked back further over the last couple weeks, but would guess it's been similar.

What could be considered a positive is that the actual difference in number of kids getting infected now vs. the number in March/April or before school started is anyone's guess though. Most people in that age group would be asymptomatic or have mild symptons, and never would have had a reason to go and get tested during the first wave. But, now need to get tested with any minor symptom or if there were other positive tests around them at school in order to go back (same with younger people working jobs that require negative tests)

With such a higher percentage of positive tests coming from people in the younger age groups, that in all likely hood won't require hospitalization, vs the first wave it would seem to suggest hospitalizations should still relatively low/flat.

It will eventually make it's way to the vulnerable age groups as more and more younger people get infected. It's just inevitable. Kids are super spreaders. Kids need adults to take care of them the same way the elderly needs to be taken care of and these same adults could be nurses working at a nursing home or long term home. A lot of elderly people still live at home with their grandkids and kids because some can't afford to put them in nursing homes or some simply don't trust the way they treat them. Hospitalizations will rise regardless if this continues to spread, it's just going to be delayed because the less vulnerable is getting hit first.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the province announce some restrictions today so that families can gather at Thanksgiving and talk about how Doug is taking this seriously. They needed to do more before school started instead of just trying to score political points off teacher's unions.

[DG88]

Numbers are expected to be in the 900s today. Regional restrictions are coming probably to Ottawa, Toronto and Peel region.

[Vaclac]

These synthetic antibodies seem like a genuinely huge advance in treatments, with the Eli Lilly data showing it reduces hospitalizations and proportion of patients with high viral loads by about 85% compared to the placebo group. No doubt Trump personally pushing these drugs is counterproductive given his lack of credibility on medical treatments, but the actual data suggest these could be a very big deal. Also, they will likely be in limited supply at first and I'm guessing as these are US companies that the US will get most of the initial doses, but still I would expect these to be widely available and helpful in a shorter timeframe than the vaccines.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/antibody-drugs-touted-by-trump-could-be-next-to-get-authorized-for-covid-19-11602235803?mod=hp_lead_pos6
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/07/eli-lilly-monoclonal-antibody-cocktail-covid-19/

[Lord_Zedd]

Numbers are expected to be in the 900s today. Regional restrictions are coming probably to Ottawa, Toronto and Peel region.

Looks like 970. Whether the PHU numbers align with Ontario's numbers remain to be seen.

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Edit: Seeing 939 being tossed around with 5 deaths and 18 new outbreaks

[Lord_Zedd]

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I just don't see this doing much for Peel and Toronto when they can easily hop on over to York/Halton/Durham with much lesser restrictions.

[Clay Davis]

what's happening now it looks like the policy makers are confused. the economic cost of the lockdown was probably too much for the lives it saved. now, they are choosing to be more lenient, until it gets really out of hand. bringing back the province or the hotspots to a lower stage will be too costly economically.

people don't realize how much money had to be printed. like it long term **** the cities, province, and the country as a whole. now they are talking about taxing any gains on your principal residence. god knows whats next. now they are thinking about negative interest rates. more household debt on the way with cheap money.

this was probably the easiest thing to do. stay at home, stay in small groups, dont crowd. but people continued to do the opposite. we are so not ready for a more severe crisis. too **** selfish.

Honestly, there's so much money laundering that occurs in our real estate market that it's amazing how people aren't totally up in arms about it. I guess the boomers don't mind since the homes they bought for 50k 40 years ago have inflated in value to well over a mill, so they can just sell em and retire to Burlingtonwith $400k in the bank or some ****. I don't really mind them giving people money, since there's no way for a major segment of the population to be able to afford rent in this city with so many industries closed down.