2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[Jeff Van Gully]

previous thread hit 99 pages.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1997274

proceed.

[2010]

1st.

[HerSports85]

I'm still on the Vassell or Nesmith train at #8. More so Nesmith, I believe he can develop into a solid defender and the way he moves without the ball and read angles is exactly what we need next to RJ. Either way I'm happy with either one. Kira or RJH will be a trade up for me.

The only pg i'll take at #8 is Hayes, if not I'm okay with DSJ and Frank next year.

[DickGrayson]

Killian Hayes
Onyeka Okongwu
Aleksej Pokusevski

massive no to Deni Avdija

[-YogiBiz-]

Killian Hayes
Onyeka Okongwu
Aleksej Pokusevski

massive no to Deni Avdija

Why though?

[god shammgod]

i got nothing left in the tank for this debate. just fast forward to the draft already.

[Zenzibar]

Just saw this on RealGM GSW thread. Interesting that Edwards is starting to be questioned and may wind up dropping after all.


___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"
Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

"

[-YogiBiz-]

I'm still on the Vassell or Nesmith train at #8. More so Nesmith, I believe he can develop into a solid defender and the way he moves without the ball and read angles is exactly what we need next to RJ. Either way I'm happy with either one. Kira or RJH will be a trade up for me.

The only pg i'll take at #8 is Hayes, if not I'm okay with DSJ and Frank next year.

I think he'll be a decent team defender, but I just don't see him becoming a solid on-ball defender.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Read on Twitter

Not that I trust Berman, but don't think anyone really expects Cole to be the pick anyway at this point.

Spoiler:

It doesn’t look like there will be a Cole Anthony homecoming – unless the Nets take him at 19.

The Knicks are leaning against taking the Manhattan point guard with the No. 8 pick, or even if they trade down into the 14-15-range, according to an industry source.

Anthony, whose father is ex-Knick Greg Anthony, has slid in the mock drafts for a couple of months after a rough freshman season at the University of North Carolina.

An SNY report in the spring stated the Knicks had researched Anthony “extensively.” However, that research hasn’t netted a desire to take Anthony with their lottery pick.

If Anthony falls to No. 27, the Knicks would be interested, however. Anthony struggled with his shot at UNC, shooting 38 percent, though he averaged 18.5 points for Roy Williams’ Tar Heels.

In August, TNT analyst Greg Anthony acknowledged on a conference call his son had “a horrible year” at North Carolina that included missing time after knee surgery. Williams has blamed it on a modest supporting cast as UNC finished 14-19.

While some scouts feel having a former NBA point guard as a father is a boon, one NBA executive said the uber athletic 20-year-old isn’t a true point guard.

“I’m not a big fan,” the executive said. “I could see him late first round, even early second round. There’s a limited creativity to his game and he has a slippery handle. He’s a very average playmaker and relies too much on shooting long 3’s. He’s more a 2 in our league but with limited size.”

Some mock drafts have Anthony as the last lottery pick taken at No. 14, but others have Anthony falling later into the first round. The Nets select 19th and Anthony could still be there.

Regarding the Anthony criticism, his trainer, Chris Brickley, a former Knicks developmental coordinator, told The Post recently, “Sometimes you hear the selfish, shot-first guy, I shake my head again considering what he did at Oak Hill. As far making other players better, I’ll bet the money in my bank account that — just as he ended the regular season as top freshman scoring guard, he’d have liked to end the season as No. 1 assist guy. He really is a willing passer.”

At the start of the college season, the Knicks went into their draft research with scoring point guard as a priority for their expected lottery pick. But after LaMelo Ball, Leon Rose’s group felt there was a drop-off. Killian Hayes, Iowa State’s Tyrese Haliburton, Alabama’s Kira Lewis and Kentucky’s Tyrese Maxey remain on their point-guard radar.

The draft is not until Nov. 18. The lack of an NCAA Tournament and regular live draft combine/in-person interviews may even help a club like the Knicks, according to sources. The draft research could be less efficient, leaving perhaps one of the best players to fall to No. 8 or later.

[TheGreenArrow]

Read on Twitter

Not that I trust Berman, but don't think anyone really expects Cole to be the pick anyway at this point.

Spoiler:

It doesn’t look like there will be a Cole Anthony homecoming – unless the Nets take him at 19.

The Knicks are leaning against taking the Manhattan point guard with the No. 8 pick, or even if they trade down into the 14-15-range, according to an industry source.

Anthony, whose father is ex-Knick Greg Anthony, has slid in the mock drafts for a couple of months after a rough freshman season at the University of North Carolina.

An SNY report in the spring stated the Knicks had researched Anthony “extensively.” However, that research hasn’t netted a desire to take Anthony with their lottery pick.

If Anthony falls to No. 27, the Knicks would be interested, however. Anthony struggled with his shot at UNC, shooting 38 percent, though he averaged 18.5 points for Roy Williams’ Tar Heels.

In August, TNT analyst Greg Anthony acknowledged on a conference call his son had “a horrible year” at North Carolina that included missing time after knee surgery. Williams has blamed it on a modest supporting cast as UNC finished 14-19.

While some scouts feel having a former NBA point guard as a father is a boon, one NBA executive said the uber athletic 20-year-old isn’t a true point guard.

“I’m not a big fan,” the executive said. “I could see him late first round, even early second round. There’s a limited creativity to his game and he has a slippery handle. He’s a very average playmaker and relies too much on shooting long 3’s. He’s more a 2 in our league but with limited size.”

Some mock drafts have Anthony as the last lottery pick taken at No. 14, but others have Anthony falling later into the first round. The Nets select 19th and Anthony could still be there.

Regarding the Anthony criticism, his trainer, Chris Brickley, a former Knicks developmental coordinator, told The Post recently, “Sometimes you hear the selfish, shot-first guy, I shake my head again considering what he did at Oak Hill. As far making other players better, I’ll bet the money in my bank account that — just as he ended the regular season as top freshman scoring guard, he’d have liked to end the season as No. 1 assist guy. He really is a willing passer.”

At the start of the college season, the Knicks went into their draft research with scoring point guard as a priority for their expected lottery pick. But after LaMelo Ball, Leon Rose’s group felt there was a drop-off. Killian Hayes, Iowa State’s Tyrese Haliburton, Alabama’s Kira Lewis and Kentucky’s Tyrese Maxey remain on their point-guard radar.

The draft is not until Nov. 18. The lack of an NCAA Tournament and regular live draft combine/in-person interviews may even help a club like the Knicks, according to sources. The draft research could be less efficient, leaving perhaps one of the best players to fall to No. 8 or later.

Read on Twitter

Wow!!!!

[Deeeez Knicks]

Read on Twitter

Not that I trust Berman, but don't think anyone really expects Cole to be the pick anyway at this point.

Spoiler:

It doesn’t look like there will be a Cole Anthony homecoming – unless the Nets take him at 19.

The Knicks are leaning against taking the Manhattan point guard with the No. 8 pick, or even if they trade down into the 14-15-range, according to an industry source.

Anthony, whose father is ex-Knick Greg Anthony, has slid in the mock drafts for a couple of months after a rough freshman season at the University of North Carolina.

An SNY report in the spring stated the Knicks had researched Anthony “extensively.” However, that research hasn’t netted a desire to take Anthony with their lottery pick.

If Anthony falls to No. 27, the Knicks would be interested, however. Anthony struggled with his shot at UNC, shooting 38 percent, though he averaged 18.5 points for Roy Williams’ Tar Heels.

In August, TNT analyst Greg Anthony acknowledged on a conference call his son had “a horrible year” at North Carolina that included missing time after knee surgery. Williams has blamed it on a modest supporting cast as UNC finished 14-19.

While some scouts feel having a former NBA point guard as a father is a boon, one NBA executive said the uber athletic 20-year-old isn’t a true point guard.

“I’m not a big fan,” the executive said. “I could see him late first round, even early second round. There’s a limited creativity to his game and he has a slippery handle. He’s a very average playmaker and relies too much on shooting long 3’s. He’s more a 2 in our league but with limited size.”

Some mock drafts have Anthony as the last lottery pick taken at No. 14, but others have Anthony falling later into the first round. The Nets select 19th and Anthony could still be there.

Regarding the Anthony criticism, his trainer, Chris Brickley, a former Knicks developmental coordinator, told The Post recently, “Sometimes you hear the selfish, shot-first guy, I shake my head again considering what he did at Oak Hill. As far making other players better, I’ll bet the money in my bank account that — just as he ended the regular season as top freshman scoring guard, he’d have liked to end the season as No. 1 assist guy. He really is a willing passer.”

At the start of the college season, the Knicks went into their draft research with scoring point guard as a priority for their expected lottery pick. But after LaMelo Ball, Leon Rose’s group felt there was a drop-off. Killian Hayes, Iowa State’s Tyrese Haliburton, Alabama’s Kira Lewis and Kentucky’s Tyrese Maxey remain on their point-guard radar.

The draft is not until Nov. 18. The lack of an NCAA Tournament and regular live draft combine/in-person interviews may even help a club like the Knicks, according to sources. The draft research could be less efficient, leaving perhaps one of the best players to fall to No. 8 or later.

Read on Twitter

Wow!!!!

damn. I am not crazy about Cole, but it would be surprising if he fell that low. I would probably take him quick if he fell to #27.

[2010]

Coleslaw was always overrated. Just another in the long line of overrated NYC PGs. He got buzz due to his pops.

[TheGreenArrow]

It’s comical how many bs Knick rumors there are per day.

It’s **** insane.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Read on Twitter

Not that I trust Berman, but don't think anyone really expects Cole to be the pick anyway at this point.

Spoiler:

It doesn’t look like there will be a Cole Anthony homecoming – unless the Nets take him at 19.

The Knicks are leaning against taking the Manhattan point guard with the No. 8 pick, or even if they trade down into the 14-15-range, according to an industry source.

Anthony, whose father is ex-Knick Greg Anthony, has slid in the mock drafts for a couple of months after a rough freshman season at the University of North Carolina.

An SNY report in the spring stated the Knicks had researched Anthony “extensively.” However, that research hasn’t netted a desire to take Anthony with their lottery pick.

If Anthony falls to No. 27, the Knicks would be interested, however. Anthony struggled with his shot at UNC, shooting 38 percent, though he averaged 18.5 points for Roy Williams’ Tar Heels.

In August, TNT analyst Greg Anthony acknowledged on a conference call his son had “a horrible year” at North Carolina that included missing time after knee surgery. Williams has blamed it on a modest supporting cast as UNC finished 14-19.

While some scouts feel having a former NBA point guard as a father is a boon, one NBA executive said the uber athletic 20-year-old isn’t a true point guard.

“I’m not a big fan,” the executive said. “I could see him late first round, even early second round. There’s a limited creativity to his game and he has a slippery handle. He’s a very average playmaker and relies too much on shooting long 3’s. He’s more a 2 in our league but with limited size.”

Some mock drafts have Anthony as the last lottery pick taken at No. 14, but others have Anthony falling later into the first round. The Nets select 19th and Anthony could still be there.

Regarding the Anthony criticism, his trainer, Chris Brickley, a former Knicks developmental coordinator, told The Post recently, “Sometimes you hear the selfish, shot-first guy, I shake my head again considering what he did at Oak Hill. As far making other players better, I’ll bet the money in my bank account that — just as he ended the regular season as top freshman scoring guard, he’d have liked to end the season as No. 1 assist guy. He really is a willing passer.”

At the start of the college season, the Knicks went into their draft research with scoring point guard as a priority for their expected lottery pick. But after LaMelo Ball, Leon Rose’s group felt there was a drop-off. Killian Hayes, Iowa State’s Tyrese Haliburton, Alabama’s Kira Lewis and Kentucky’s Tyrese Maxey remain on their point-guard radar.

The draft is not until Nov. 18. The lack of an NCAA Tournament and regular live draft combine/in-person interviews may even help a club like the Knicks, according to sources. The draft research could be less efficient, leaving perhaps one of the best players to fall to No. 8 or later.

Read on Twitter

Wow!!!!

Sign me up for Cole at 27. This is why I like the one and done rule for the NBA. Someone would have easily drafted him in the top 5 coming out of high school and now there’s talk of him slipping out the first round. It’s pretty much a safe guard for nba teams against themselves

[Oscirus]

It’s comical how many bs Knick rumors there are per day.

It’s **** insane.

If we were to be on about rumors we would have traded so much wed have some "star" from the market, lamelo and a whole lotta cap space since we traded away everyone else.

[KnicksGadfly]

Read on Twitter

Not that I trust Berman, but don't think anyone really expects Cole to be the pick anyway at this point.

Spoiler:

It doesn’t look like there will be a Cole Anthony homecoming – unless the Nets take him at 19.

The Knicks are leaning against taking the Manhattan point guard with the No. 8 pick, or even if they trade down into the 14-15-range, according to an industry source.

Anthony, whose father is ex-Knick Greg Anthony, has slid in the mock drafts for a couple of months after a rough freshman season at the University of North Carolina.

An SNY report in the spring stated the Knicks had researched Anthony “extensively.” However, that research hasn’t netted a desire to take Anthony with their lottery pick.

If Anthony falls to No. 27, the Knicks would be interested, however. Anthony struggled with his shot at UNC, shooting 38 percent, though he averaged 18.5 points for Roy Williams’ Tar Heels.

In August, TNT analyst Greg Anthony acknowledged on a conference call his son had “a horrible year” at North Carolina that included missing time after knee surgery. Williams has blamed it on a modest supporting cast as UNC finished 14-19.

While some scouts feel having a former NBA point guard as a father is a boon, one NBA executive said the uber athletic 20-year-old isn’t a true point guard.

“I’m not a big fan,” the executive said. “I could see him late first round, even early second round. There’s a limited creativity to his game and he has a slippery handle. He’s a very average playmaker and relies too much on shooting long 3’s. He’s more a 2 in our league but with limited size.”

Some mock drafts have Anthony as the last lottery pick taken at No. 14, but others have Anthony falling later into the first round. The Nets select 19th and Anthony could still be there.

Regarding the Anthony criticism, his trainer, Chris Brickley, a former Knicks developmental coordinator, told The Post recently, “Sometimes you hear the selfish, shot-first guy, I shake my head again considering what he did at Oak Hill. As far making other players better, I’ll bet the money in my bank account that — just as he ended the regular season as top freshman scoring guard, he’d have liked to end the season as No. 1 assist guy. He really is a willing passer.”

At the start of the college season, the Knicks went into their draft research with scoring point guard as a priority for their expected lottery pick. But after LaMelo Ball, Leon Rose’s group felt there was a drop-off. Killian Hayes, Iowa State’s Tyrese Haliburton, Alabama’s Kira Lewis and Kentucky’s Tyrese Maxey remain on their point-guard radar.

The draft is not until Nov. 18. The lack of an NCAA Tournament and regular live draft combine/in-person interviews may even help a club like the Knicks, according to sources. The draft research could be less efficient, leaving perhaps one of the best players to fall to No. 8 or later.

Oh what, I heard on the forum that it was undeniable FACT that Cole was more talented? Are you telling me these fans might be wrong and overconfident?!?!

[stuporman]

There are certain posters that when they voice support for a player I also like in the draft it makes me question my judgment......

[robillionaire]

Spoiler:

[robillionaire]

Just saw this on RealGM GSW thread. Interesting that Edwards is starting to be questioned and may wind up dropping after all.


___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"
Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

"

Edwards might drop but he'd never make it to 8th, surely the hawks would take him 6th

[-YogiBiz-]

Just saw this on RealGM GSW thread. Interesting that Edwards is starting to be questioned and may wind up dropping after all.


___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"
Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

"

Edwards might drop but he'd never make it to 8th, surely the hawks would take him 6th

The Hawks have the team in place to make him work for that Starting Wing Spot. They wouldn't need him to be the guy either. His floor has to be #6 imo.