Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[Brewhoopfan]

I'm a fan of swinging for the fences and bringing in Chris Paul.

However, if CP3 is just standing on the wing or in the corner waiting for a pass from a 'walled off' Giannis, then what's the point?

FACT: Giannis barreling down the middle of the court in transition is the most effective weapon in the NBA.

Any coach who takes this out of the offense is a complete moron. Add CP3 to the mix, and the offense would need to diversify to take advantage his skillset and leadership with the ball in his hands. I don't trust Bud to do it whether it's plain stubbornness or being incapable. Bring in CP3 and hope Bud can figure it out, I guess.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think we have to make a CP offer we're comfortable with if only to make sure nobody gets him for pennies.

Dragic not playing in the finals has really tempered my enthusiasm for going after CP3, especially since we also don’t have a young Herro type player to back him up and grow into the role. I feel like there is a chance that we can get a good player out of this draft but if we give up assets to get CP3 and he goes down when we need him most we are worse off than we are now. If we mortgage the future to cap out the present on an old injury prone player I’d have to think Giannis is gone when that player gets hurt and there’s no way to improve the roster the following year because we’ve painted ourselves into a corner.

Well, I'll put it this way: Bledsoe, Ersan, Wilson is enough outgoing salary to get this done. Shift Bled to a 3rd team who can send out that young prospect and filler. Would you do Bled and a pick for CP? I personally would, and that sets a reasonable floor on the offer that will eventually land him.

Bucks get: Paul
Knicks get: Bledsoe
OKC gets: Kevin Knox, Ersan, RoLo, Wilson, #27 via NY (and a $42 million trade exception)

NY doesn't get Paul simply because he wouldn't want to play there.

Bucks get: #12 (Tyrrell Terry)
Suns get: #24, 2 - future indy 2nd rounders via Bucks, $3 million cash

Bucks sign Harkless to taxpayer MLE

[raferfenix]

The Knicks could be a good trade partner for the Bucks if only since they are one of the few teams with cap space.

They also badly need PG help and have a maniacal win-now coach who preaches defense above all else.

How much cap space will the Knicks have this offseason?

The New York Knicks can practically create between $42.4 – $47.8 million of cap space, depending on whether the cap remains flat at $109 million or adjusts to the pre-pandemic projection of $115 million.

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/09/04/knicks-salary-cap-space-projected-2020/

[raferfenix]

The particulars of a potential CP3 trade could matter a lot for us.

For instance, if we need to drop Donte + Bledsoe + Hill as part of the package, we deplete an already thin guard rotation.

And it's not like Paul has been the picture of health through his career. Wes Matthews could leave as a free agent as well.

Alternatively trading Brook Lopez instead of George Hill would be a significant shakeup in our front court.

I'm also not clear on the cap and tax ramifications of including Ersan in these scenarios, and whether Robin Lopez is likely enough to opt-in that we can comfortably include his salary in deals.

[midranger]

It’d be so much easier to make deals if we had Brogdon to include in deals. Just saying.

[Badgerlander]

I think we have to make a CP offer we're comfortable with if only to make sure nobody gets him for pennies.

Dragic not playing in the finals has really tempered my enthusiasm for going after CP3, especially since we also don’t have a young Herro type player to back him up and grow into the role. I feel like there is a chance that we can get a good player out of this draft but if we give up assets to get CP3 and he goes down when we need him most we are worse off than we are now. If we mortgage the future to cap out the present on an old injury prone player I’d have to think Giannis is gone when that player gets hurt and there’s no way to improve the roster the following year because we’ve painted ourselves into a corner.

Well, I'll put it this way: Bledsoe, Ersan, Wilson is enough outgoing salary to get this done. Shift Bled to a 3rd team who can send out that young prospect and filler. Would you do Bled and a pick for CP? I personally would, and that sets a reasonable floor on the offer that will eventually land him.

I guess but it would be great if we had a young Pg that could learn the ropes behind Paul and limit his minutes. The Heat had Dragic off the bench all year and he was on fire to start the playoffs only to tear his plantar fascia at the worst time which would leave us with Hill and Uhm well nada

[leroyjw10]

The Knicks could be a good trade partner for the Bucks if only since they are one of the few teams with cap space.

They also badly need PG help and have a maniacal win-now coach who preaches defense above all else.

How much cap space will the Knicks have this offseason?

The New York Knicks can practically create between $42.4 – $47.8 million of cap space, depending on whether the cap remains flat at $109 million or adjusts to the pre-pandemic projection of $115 million.

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/09/04/knicks-salary-cap-space-projected-2020/

I don't know Bledsoe doesn't end up on the Knicks next year. The Bucks need to trade him. The Knicks are one of the few teams that actually need a PG, and Thibs would love the defensive-minded Bledsoe. Somehow, someway, Bledsoe will become a Knick.

[raferfenix]

Well, I'll put it this way: Bledsoe, Ersan, Wilson is enough outgoing salary to get this done. Shift Bled to a 3rd team who can send out that young prospect and filler. Would you do Bled and a pick for CP? I personally would, and that sets a reasonable floor on the offer that will eventually land him.

Are we sure Bledsoe + Ersan + Wilson is enough outgoing salary to make a Paul trade happen?

Not having to include either Brook Lopez or George Hill just as salary filler would be great.

Cap gymnastics aside, I could see OKC fighting for Donte to be included, and the Knicks not feeling a need to include much value for Bledsoe beyond eating his salary.

[sk8wrulz]

It’d be so much easier to make deals if we had Brogdon to include in deals. Just saying.

If we had Brogdon, this would be as simple as trading Bledsoe only since Brogdon can be the starting PG - an effective slasher, 3pt threat. Good luck in making some creative moves with this old roster.

[LuessiT]

Well, I'll put it this way: Bledsoe, Ersan, Wilson is enough outgoing salary to get this done. Shift Bled to a 3rd team who can send out that young prospect and filler. Would you do Bled and a pick for CP? I personally would, and that sets a reasonable floor on the offer that will eventually land him.

Are we sure Bledsoe + Ersan + Wilson is enough outgoing salary to make a Paul trade happen?

Not having to include either Brook Lopez or George Hill just as salary filler would be great.

Cap gymnastics aside, I could see OKC fighting for Donte to be included, and the Knicks not feeling a need to include much value for Bledsoe beyond eating his salary.

CP3 makes $ 41,358,814 next season. For salary matching purposes we'd have send greater than $ 33,007,051 in cumulatative salary. It would have to be Bledsoe, Ersan, RoLo + DJ ($ 33,428,630) or more.

[BuckFan25226]

I'm a fan of swinging for the fences and bringing in Chris Paul.

However, if CP3 is just standing on the wing or in the corner waiting for a pass from a 'walled off' Giannis, then what's the point?

FACT: Giannis barreling down the middle of the court in transition is the most effective weapon in the NBA.

Any coach who takes this out of the offense is a complete moron. Add CP3 to the mix, and the offense would need to diversify to take advantage his skillset and leadership with the ball in his hands. I don't trust Bud to do it whether it's plain stubbornness or being incapable. Bring in CP3 and hope Bud can figure it out, I guess.

That will do just fine for most of the regular season. We need to manage Paul's minutes, keep him fresh and healthy for the postseason. His major value will be in the postseason in the half court, grind it out games, leadership etc. Bledsoe is the antithesis of CP3 in the half court. He will also make Giannis' life a lot easier in the half court.

[paulpressey25]

Bucks get: Paul
Knicks get: Bledsoe
OKC gets: Kevin Knox, Ersan, RoLo, Wilson, #27 via NY (and a $42 million trade exception)

I like this, but two issues. First, I think OKC will want something additional. Second, if you're sending out Ersan, DJ and Rolo, you're going to be very thin on the front line. Which veterans are you acquiring to shore that up? I'm not sure Harkless fills those roles.

[msiris]

Need to stop trying to trade DJ. Why does anyone want DJ. I hope we do not trade DDV and this years 1st.

[DingleJerry]

Need to stop trying to trade DJ. Why does anyone want DJ. I hope we do not trade DDV and this years 1st.

He's just salary filler on an expiring, that's it. He has no value to anyone but his contract is needed to facilitate.

Maybe management was playing the long game there when they made that horrible choice of picking up that option

[emunney]

Well, I'll put it this way: Bledsoe, Ersan, Wilson is enough outgoing salary to get this done. Shift Bled to a 3rd team who can send out that young prospect and filler. Would you do Bled and a pick for CP? I personally would, and that sets a reasonable floor on the offer that will eventually land him.

Are we sure Bledsoe + Ersan + Wilson is enough outgoing salary to make a Paul trade happen?

Not having to include either Brook Lopez or George Hill just as salary filler would be great.

Cap gymnastics aside, I could see OKC fighting for Donte to be included, and the Knicks not feeling a need to include much value for Bledsoe beyond eating his salary.

CP3 makes $ 41,358,814 next season. For salary matching purposes we'd have send greater than $ 33,007,051 in cumulatative salary. It would have to be Bledsoe, Ersan, RoLo + DJ ($ 33,428,630) or more.

Yep this is true. I had faith in the trade checker and it abused me.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks get: Paul
Knicks get: Bledsoe
OKC gets: Kevin Knox, Ersan, RoLo, Wilson, #27 via NY (and a $42 million trade exception)

I like this, but two issues. First, I think OKC will want something additional. Second, if you're sending out Ersan, DJ and Rolo, you're going to be very thin on the front line. Which veterans are you acquiring to shore that up? I'm not sure Harkless fills those roles.

Ersan is getting his option declined if he isn't traded, Wilson and Lopez are below replacement level. Most minimum salary centers are an upgrade from Lopez.

That said, I totally agree that a high quality back up 4 would be great. It would allow Giannis to play some 5 in the playoffs. The inability to really address this area is the problem in a Paul trade. It uses most of our trade assets.

You could use Hill in trade and make Terry the back up PG right away, but I'm not real comfortable with that. Hill out in a 3 way with Bjelica in upgrades the front court.

Harkless gives us a quick combo forward we need to match up with Miami and Boston, with Giannis as the reserve 5.

[ShootingtheJ]

Are we sure Bledsoe + Ersan + Wilson is enough outgoing salary to make a Paul trade happen?

Not having to include either Brook Lopez or George Hill just as salary filler would be great.

Cap gymnastics aside, I could see OKC fighting for Donte to be included, and the Knicks not feeling a need to include much value for Bledsoe beyond eating his salary.

CP3 makes $ 41,358,814 next season. For salary matching purposes we'd have send greater than $ 33,007,051 in cumulatative salary. It would have to be Bledsoe, Ersan, RoLo + DJ ($ 33,428,630) or more.

Yep this is true. I had faith in the trade checker and it abused me.

The trade checker doesn't adjust for going into the luxury tax right now, because that number is available yet.

[WRau1]

I highly, highly doubt we trade Rolo unless he's planning on retiring.

[emunney]

CP3 makes $ 41,358,814 next season. For salary matching purposes we'd have send greater than $ 33,007,051 in cumulatative salary. It would have to be Bledsoe, Ersan, RoLo + DJ ($ 33,428,630) or more.

Yep this is true. I had faith in the trade checker and it abused me.

The trade checker doesn't adjust for going into the luxury tax right now, because that number is available yet.

Shouldn't matter tax or non-tax because the outgoing salary is > 19.6m. For whatever reason, it's just not doing the calculation.

[WRau1]

Middleton to GSW, CP3 to MIL, Wiggins to NYK, Ersan to OKC then throw a late pick to OKC and a bunch at us. Swap some picks w/ NYK to make it worth their while to take Wiggins. Then package Bledsoe with a bunch of picks to get a Middleton replacement.