2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[jason bourne]

Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

Okongwu is mentioned all over the place and has been discussed here. He has issues too. Yes size is one of them, but offensive potential is the biggest when comparing him to Wiseman.

I'd like to get a wing/guard at the top of the draft and find a way into the bottom of the first for someone like Jalen Smith.

As the #2 pick? I think he's moved up to where the Hornets are going to take him.

[Warriors Analyst]

MLE options:

Power Forwards:
1) Paul Milsap
2) Patrick Patterson
3) Anthony Tolliver (Steph's homeboy!)

OR

Centers:
1) Nerlens Noel
2) Aron Baynes (Can stretch the floor)
3) Tristan Thompson

I don't mind Milsap as an idea, but I'd rather go younger. Shay Dee has been ringing the bell for JaMychal Green and I think he'd be a better fit than Milsap. If we draft Wiseman or Okungu, you still need some bruising vets in the 4/5 position. Even if you don't draft Wiseman and get a guard in the draft instead, Green would be a good fit. Even though Green is undersized, he's the type of player that can take some possessions against the AD/Jokic types and he shoots the three well. Patterson and Tolliver would both be overpays at the MLE. Noel and TT would intrigue me more if Draymond's poor shot weren't a concern. Don't think either of them would play that much next to him.

[Scoots1994]

Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

Okongwu is mentioned all over the place and has been discussed here. He has issues too. Yes size is one of them, but offensive potential is the biggest when comparing him to Wiseman.

I'd like to get a wing/guard at the top of the draft and find a way into the bottom of the first for someone like Jalen Smith.

As the #2 pick? I think he's moved up to where the Hornets are going to take him.

Yes. It's been discussed here and he's been mocked to the Warriors on a couple mock drafts I've seen. Most people put him in the 2nd tier.

[TB]

I like Okongwu's current game more than I like Wiseman's game. Similar to how I like Okoro's current game more than I like Edwards game.

I'm at a real battle with myself on safe and solid vs going for potential lol.

That being said, I think Wiseman floor when it comes to helping a team win is waaaaay higher than Edwards.

As of now, my top 10 probably looking like:

Poku
Wiseman
Okongwu
Okoro
Edwards
Haliburton
Deni
Toppin
Hampton
Bane

[jason bourne]

Okongwu is mentioned all over the place and has been discussed here. He has issues too. Yes size is one of them, but offensive potential is the biggest when comparing him to Wiseman.

I'd like to get a wing/guard at the top of the draft and find a way into the bottom of the first for someone like Jalen Smith.

As the #2 pick? I think he's moved up to where the Hornets are going to take him.

Yes. It's been discussed here and he's been mocked to the Warriors on a couple mock drafts I've seen. Most people put him in the 2nd tier.

First, Okongwu has moved up to the first tier. It's Wiseman who has fallen into the second tier. People are selecting Wiseman for his measurements like practically marrying a hot chick for hers.

[DAWill1128]

I am higher on Deni than Okoro, I just think with where Drays 3 ball is at its just gonna be an issue getting good lineups. Even Paschall has work to be done on his 3 ball. Neither center on the roster can shoot so you will be stuck with lineups where nobody in the front court can really shoot. But also I think we need a playmaker off the bench and Deni facilitating the offense and getting Eric in favorable scoring situations will be important.

I think Millsap is about done, he looked really slow and washed in the Denver vs Lakers series. Millsap has no outside shot and he’s to slow to get by anyone, and he’s never been big for a power forward. Maybe the only way Millsap can prolong his career is by transitioning to center like West had to when he got older. Millsap at this point is just Paschall without athleticism.

Green is definitely the better athlete at this point and he’s accurate from 3. But Green got tossed like a rag doll against Jokic. I don’t think Green can defend centers. I don’t know how much playing time Green gets if he’s behind Dray and Paschall at power forward.

With Dray and Eric I don’t think power forward is a good spot to spend the MLE, and I don’t think we need a tweener big because that’s Drays specialty. If a tweener big was something we needed we could just take Toppin, he’s actually got the fresh legs unlike Millsap. Toppin could do so much more athletically at this point.

I like the idea of drafting a center because the TPE options are basically like Dedmon and maybe Powell. At center based on numerous circumstances I think we will be stuck with Thompson, Baynes, Noel, and O’Quinn. Baynes and Thompson might fall out of the price range, both teams have openly said they want those guys back.

This was a cool prospect comparison of Wiseman and Okongwu

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-draft-comparing-james-wiseman-and-onyeka-okongwu-the-top-big-man-prospects/amp/

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I am higher on Deni than Okoro, I just think with where Drays 3 ball is at its just gonna be an issue getting good lineups. Even Paschall has work to be done on his 3 ball. Neither center on the roster can shoot so you will be stuck with lineups where nobody in the front court can really shoot. But also I think we need a playmaker off the bench and Deni facilitating the offense and getting Eric in favorable scoring situations will be important.

I think Millsap is about done, he looked really slow and washed in the Denver vs Lakers series. Millsap has no outside shot and he’s to slow to get by anyone, and he’s never been big for a power forward. Maybe the only way Millsap can prolong his career is by transitioning to center like West had to when he got older. Millsap at this point is just Paschall without athleticism.

Green is definitely the better athlete at this point and he’s accurate from 3. But Green got tossed like a rag doll against Jokic. I don’t think Green can defend centers. I don’t know how much playing time Green gets if he’s behind Dray and Paschall at power forward.

With Dray and Eric I don’t think power forward is a good spot to spend the MLE, and I don’t think we need a tweener big because that’s Drays specialty. If a tweener big was something we needed we could just take Toppin, he’s actually got the fresh legs unlike Millsap. Toppin could do so much more athletically at this point.

I like the idea of drafting a center because the TPE options are basically like Dedmon and maybe Powell. At center based on numerous circumstances I think we will be stuck with Thompson, Baynes, Noel, and O’Quinn. Baynes and Thompson might fall out of the price range, both teams have openly said they want those guys back.

This was a cool prospect comparison of Wiseman and Okongwu

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-draft-comparing-james-wiseman-and-onyeka-okongwu-the-top-big-man-prospects/amp/

Yeah, free agents for the 4 and 5 isn't good this offseason. Either those we want will demand more $$$, are too old (Production drop-off), or they go back to the teams they played for. We're more than likely to use a portion of our TPE and MLE on mediocre players. That's the reality.

[Warriors Analyst]

I am higher on Deni than Okoro, I just think with where Drays 3 ball is at its just gonna be an issue getting good lineups. Even Paschall has work to be done on his 3 ball. Neither center on the roster can shoot so you will be stuck with lineups where nobody in the front court can really shoot. But also I think we need a playmaker off the bench and Deni facilitating the offense and getting Eric in favorable scoring situations will be important.

I think Millsap is about done, he looked really slow and washed in the Denver vs Lakers series. Millsap has no outside shot and he’s to slow to get by anyone, and he’s never been big for a power forward. Maybe the only way Millsap can prolong his career is by transitioning to center like West had to when he got older. Millsap at this point is just Paschall without athleticism.

Green is definitely the better athlete at this point and he’s accurate from 3. But Green got tossed like a rag doll against Jokic. I don’t think Green can defend centers. I don’t know how much playing time Green gets if he’s behind Dray and Paschall at power forward.

With Dray and Eric I don’t think power forward is a good spot to spend the MLE, and I don’t think we need a tweener big because that’s Drays specialty. If a tweener big was something we needed we could just take Toppin, he’s actually got the fresh legs unlike Millsap. Toppin could do so much more athletically at this point.

I like the idea of drafting a center because the TPE options are basically like Dedmon and maybe Powell. At center based on numerous circumstances I think we will be stuck with Thompson, Baynes, Noel, and O’Quinn. Baynes and Thompson might fall out of the price range, both teams have openly said they want those guys back.

This was a cool prospect comparison of Wiseman and Okongwu

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-draft-comparing-james-wiseman-and-onyeka-okongwu-the-top-big-man-prospects/amp/

Millsap was doing a great job defending AD. But I do tend to agree, his value would be highest as a West like center, which is why I'd rather JaMychal. But against the big guys like AD/Jokic/Embiid, I don't think the solution is to bank on one guy to slow them down. The key is to have multiple players you can throw at them, give them varied looks, preserve the bodies of your defenders, and keep your defenders out of foul trouble.

If I'm Bob Myers, I'm very encouraged by this Miami series. You can make an argument that Goran Dragic is the difference between this series being 3-1 and this series being 2-2. 35 year old Goran Dragic! Miami is putting up a real fight against a physically dominant and massive Lakers team and they've done this with Myers Leonard, Kelly Olynk, Duncan Robinson, and Tyler Herro playing significant minutes. This is to say, you can get away with having one or two guys on defense who aren't airtight defenders if you have solid defenders around them and a good defensive gameplan.

AD has gone off, yes. But Miami has also missed shot and made dumb turnovers that have been the difference between winning and losing. This series has been winnable for them and their primary defenders of AD have been Adebayo, Crowder, and Iguodala. I think the goal should be to have 3 guys that you believe can take turns on someone like AD. Dray and JaMychal Green would be a good place to start. You can hope that Chriss improves defensively some as well so he can do a few possessions without getting flambe'd.

[Scoots1994]

Paschall has work to be done on his 3 ball. Neither center on the roster can shoot

Supposedly Paschall, Looney, and Chriss have been shooting much better this offseason.

Take that as you will.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Paschall has work to be done on his 3 ball. Neither center on the roster can shoot

Supposedly Paschall, Looney, and Chriss have been shooting much better this offseason.

Take that as you will.

Paschall's an interesting player. A modern-day 4 who can't shoot the 3 consistently, but has explosive first-step off the dribble to get by slower defenders, and absorb contact to get to the line.

He needs to improve:

1) Improve 3 point shooting
2) Defensive rebounding
3) Getting above at least 3-4 apg

[Scoots1994]

Paschall has work to be done on his 3 ball. Neither center on the roster can shoot

Supposedly Paschall, Looney, and Chriss have been shooting much better this offseason.

Take that as you will.

Paschall's an interesting player. A modern-day 4 who can't shoot the 3 consistently, but has explosive first-step off the dribble to get by slower defenders, and absorb contact to get to the line.

He needs to improve:

1) Improve 3 point shooting
2) Defensive rebounding
3) Getting above at least 3-4 apg

Improve shooting in general.
I don't care about his personal defensive rebounding, I want him to box out, but I want him to get better on the offensive boards. With his athleticism and strength he should be good at it.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Supposedly Paschall, Looney, and Chriss have been shooting much better this offseason.

Take that as you will.

Paschall's an interesting player. A modern-day 4 who can't shoot the 3 consistently, but has explosive first-step off the dribble to get by slower defenders, and absorb contact to get to the line.

He needs to improve:

1) Improve 3 point shooting
2) Defensive rebounding
3) Getting above at least 3-4 apg

Improve shooting in general.
I don't care about his personal defensive rebounding, I want him to box out, but I want him to get better on the offensive boards. With his athleticism and strength he should be good at it.

If you want him to get O-rebounds, he needs to start being around or below the rim. When I think about players who can get offensive rebounds, Kenneth Faried / Montrezl Harrell come to mind. Those guys are always hunting for missed shots.

Paschall plays a different game and not built like that obviously, but I don't think he fits into the role for getting many offensive rebounds.

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[TB]

Based on everything I keep reading/seeing on Wiseman, people are going to be surprised that:

1) he's more skilled than people think
2) he's not as explosive as people think

Him and Okongwu are by far the safest picks at #2. And either would form a great center duo with Chriss.

[Little Digger]

Based on everything I keep reading/seeing on Wiseman, people are going to be surprised that:

1) he's more skilled than people think
2) he's not as explosive as people think

Him and Okongwu are by far the safest picks at #2. And either would form a great center duo with Chriss.

I like your 1) 2) but I disagree with Wiseman being a safe pick..#1 safest for me is Okoro ..I have serious questions about Wiseman’s competitive desire..I still have him up there with Okoro on my BIG BOARD due to his potential..but potential without proof of a heart scares the sh*t out of me..but hey it’s 2020 not 1978 so we have to guess..

[Little Digger]

The most talented players in this draft based on what I’ve seen

1. Edwards
2. Ball
3. Wiseman


The top3 on my BIG BOARD

1. Okoro
1A. Wiseman
3. Ball

[Scoots1994]

Paschall's an interesting player. A modern-day 4 who can't shoot the 3 consistently, but has explosive first-step off the dribble to get by slower defenders, and absorb contact to get to the line.

He needs to improve:

1) Improve 3 point shooting
2) Defensive rebounding
3) Getting above at least 3-4 apg

Improve shooting in general.
I don't care about his personal defensive rebounding, I want him to box out, but I want him to get better on the offensive boards. With his athleticism and strength he should be good at it.

If you want him to get O-rebounds, he needs to start being around or below the rim. When I think about players who can get offensive rebounds, Kenneth Faried / Montrezl Harrell come to mind. Those guys are always hunting for missed shots.

Paschall plays a different game and not built like that obviously, but I don't think he fits into the role for getting many offensive rebounds.

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He would need to be playing closer to the basket, but with Curry and Klay back and Poole probably getting more productive minutes next year I would expect Paschall to be playing a little more inside and on the baseline than this past season, and the biggest factor in offensive rebounding is hustle. Kerr's system tends to de-emphasize offensive rebounding and Adams wants the higher 2 players heading back on defense on the shot, but Paschall's mass and athleticism would make him a good guy to disrupt those caroms off of missed long shots.

[TB]

Based on everything I keep reading/seeing on Wiseman, people are going to be surprised that:

1) he's more skilled than people think
2) he's not as explosive as people think

Him and Okongwu are by far the safest picks at #2. And either would form a great center duo with Chriss.

I like your 1) 2) but I disagree with Wiseman being a safe pick..#1 safest for me is Okoro ..I have serious questions about Wiseman’s competitive desire..I still have him up there with Okoro on my BIG BOARD due to his potential..but potential without proof of a heart scares the sh*t out of me..but hey it’s 2020 not 1978 so we have to guess..

Huge Okoro fan, would be 3rd on my "safest" list and he's 4th on my big board overall.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Posters on this board be changin' their minds so much like trying to make a decision on TGIF's Special Friday menu.

Please, draft day come, already, so we can just select any underwhelming player and move on.

[KevinMcreynolds]

MLE options:

Power Forwards:
1) Paul Milsap
2) Patrick Patterson
3) Anthony Tolliver (Steph's homeboy!)

OR

Centers:
1) Nerlens Noel
2) Aron Baynes (Can stretch the floor)
3) Tristan Thompson

ew

I wouldn't want any of those guys except Baynes

[TB]

Posters on this board be changin' their minds so much like trying to make a decision on TGIF's Special Friday menu.

Please, draft day come, already, so we can just select any underwhelming player and move on.

This is so accurate

I'm a week away from talking myself into Vernon Carey with the 2nd because i'm bored and out of ideas.