2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

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Sounds like Wiseman

[Baseline81]

I don't know Edwards well enough to say those things apply to him or not and neither do any of us. I think he has potential to be very good at the qualities mentioned, but just potential. That is why Rosas has his job and needs to do due diligence. I wish I could be more insightful, but how could I be? Finding the answers to these questions is where Rosas will earn his pay and keep his job.

It seemed to be that Baseline was venturing his guess that Edwards did not possess the qualities and I was just questioning that thinking. In other words I would not be quick to declare Edwards lacking in those qualities.

I have read and listened to what others, who have supposedly watched him throughout his lone season at Georgia, think. Either they all jumped on one person's bandwagon or came to that conclusion separately. I tend to side with the latter.

[KGdaBom]

Was specifically asking KG to explain his thought process behind his argument. Apparently it's something like "well, it might not NOT apply to him so you can't say it won't" which, well, I can't really argue with that.

I don't know Edwards well enough to say those things apply to him or not and neither do any of us.

You can take an educated guess based on his body of work though, can't you?
I often question others making statements that I don't think they have a case to make. I think Baseline overstepped on his acting like Edwards didn't have those qualities. However, if I were to say he was wrong that would be me overstepping. Hence my wishy washy stance. No I don't even have enough to go on to make an educated guess and I don't think Baseline or you do either.

You know, the thing we all generally do every time anyone posts on this website.

I think he has potential to be very good at the qualities mentioned, but just potential.

How do you know that?
I don't know that. Did you notice I said I think. That is just about the opposite of know. Due to his coordination and athleticism and his obvious drive on occasion it seems to me very likely that he has potential to be very good at the qualities mentioned

That is why Rosas has his job and needs to do due diligence. I wish I could be more insightful, but how could I be? Finding the answers to these questions is where Rosas will earn his pay and keep his job.

So why post then?
So that baselines imo unwarranted claim that Edwards was lacking in those areas didn't go unchallenged.

It seemed to be that Baseline was venturing his guess that Edwards did not possess the qualities and I was just questioning that thinking. In other words I would not be quick to declare Edwards lacking in those qualities.

You didn't question, you stated. "I don't see any ill bodings for Edwards from this". That isn't a question. When pressed you followed up with "well I don't know either way so there". It's such a pointless and annoying comment to make in a discussion. If you've got something to say, say it. If you have nothing to say, stop padding your post count.
Not padding my post count. I was questioning Baseline's declaration that Edwards does not have the qualities. I apologize for not phrasing my response in the form of an appropriate Jeopardy question

I'll ask again, how do these traits apply to Edwards? Take a guess if you need to.

I'm not even informed enough to take a decent guess. I don't know how these traits apply to Edwards and I'm not willing to speculate any more about it then to say he has potential in those areas.

[KGdaBom]

I don't know Edwards well enough to say those things apply to him or not and neither do any of us. I think he has potential to be very good at the qualities mentioned, but just potential. That is why Rosas has his job and needs to do due diligence. I wish I could be more insightful, but how could I be? Finding the answers to these questions is where Rosas will earn his pay and keep his job.

It seemed to be that Baseline was venturing his guess that Edwards did not possess the qualities and I was just questioning that thinking. In other words I would not be quick to declare Edwards lacking in those qualities.

I have read and listened to what others, who have supposedly watched him throughout his lone season at Georgia, think. Either they all jumped on one person's bandwagon or came to that conclusion separately. I tend to side with the latter.

As of now I think there is a 10% chance that Edwards would be the best pick we can make at #1 overall. I don't want to see him unfairly dismissed. You have your right to come to those conclusions. I have my right to question those conclusions. No big deal. I just didn't want to leave your thinking unchallenged. I never said you were right or wrong.

[Baseline81]

You have your right to come to those conclusions. I have my right to question those conclusions. No big deal. I just didn't want to leave your thinking unchallenged. I never said you were right or wrong.

Reading your responses to shangrila, how is what I wrote about Edwards "unwarranted"? You make it sound as if I am throwing random you-know-what against the wall hoping it sticks.

When you don't know a subject, what is the best way to learn it? You read and listen to those who know more about the subject than you. That's what I have done regarding these prospects; that's what I am basing my posts on. You can certainly disagree, but to say they are "unwarranted" is wrong.

[KGdaBom]

You have your right to come to those conclusions. I have my right to question those conclusions. No big deal. I just didn't want to leave your thinking unchallenged. I never said you were right or wrong.

Reading your responses to shangrila, how is what I wrote about Edwards "unwarranted"? You make it sound as if I am throwing random you-know-what against the wall hoping it sticks.

When you don't know a subject, what is the best way to learn it? You read and listen to those who know more about the subject than you. That's what I have done regarding these prospects; that's what I am basing my posts on. You can certainly disagree, but to say they are "unwarranted" is wrong.

Yeah I struggled with using the word unwarranted. I personally don't think you have enough to go on to firmly conclude that Edwards is lacking. I apologize if that came off as you were basing your conclusion on nothing. I would require stronger evidence than that available to come to the conclusion that you did.

[Nick K]

You and your Maxey all star talk. If NBA teams think he has good all star potential he will be picked in the top 5. If that happens I can accept you may be right. However, my best guess is he will be available at 17 and I have strong doubts about the Wolves snatching him up. Personally I'd much prefer a Pokusevski, Bey by 2, Tyrell Terry, Nesmith pick.

Because NBA teams never get it wrong?

Oh they get it wrong, but I just have extreme difficulty seeing Maxey as an All Star. Those don't grow on trees in the NBA. I won't declare anybody from this draft a likely all star, but I would give Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Okongwu, Deni, Toppin, and Hayes for example a better chance than Maxey. When I was supporting Clarke for the draft at pick 11 last year I never once mentioned him as an all star. Too much hyperbole and love over mid-round draft picks for my taste.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not so sure about Toppin though.

[KGdaBom]

Because NBA teams never get it wrong?

Oh they get it wrong, but I just have extreme difficulty seeing Maxey as an All Star. Those don't grow on trees in the NBA. I won't declare anybody from this draft a likely all star, but I would give Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Okongwu, Deni, Toppin, and Hayes for example a better chance than Maxey. When I was supporting Clarke for the draft at pick 11 last year I never once mentioned him as an all star. Too much hyperbole and love over mid-round draft picks for my taste.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not so sure about Toppin though.

It's fashionable to hate on Toppin, and I get why, but he was the best player in college ball last year and considered the most NBA ready prospect of them all. I have read and YouTubed a number of people who consider him the front runner for ROY. He most likely never will be an all star. What you see is probably what you're gonna get. I just give him a better shot than Maxey. Draft is still more than a month away. ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH.

[Domejandro]

Oh they get it wrong, but I just have extreme difficulty seeing Maxey as an All Star. Those don't grow on trees in the NBA. I won't declare anybody from this draft a likely all star, but I would give Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Okongwu, Deni, Toppin, and Hayes for example a better chance than Maxey. When I was supporting Clarke for the draft at pick 11 last year I never once mentioned him as an all star. Too much hyperbole and love over mid-round draft picks for my taste.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not so sure about Toppin though.

It's fashionable to hate on Toppin, and I get why, but he was the best player in college ball last year and considered the most NBA ready prospect of them all. I have read and YouTubed a number of people who consider him the front runner for ROY. He most likely never will be an all star. What you see is probably what you're gonna get. I just give him a better shot than Maxey. Draft is still more than a month away. ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH.

I just wish Toppin wasn't such a sieve defensively. It is a huge problem.

[BadWolf]

Based on this tweet, it doesn't bode well for those wanting Edwards.

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This screams Okoro. And goes in line and time with him viewing himself as a Nr. 1 pick.

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[KGdaBom]

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Some very good 21 year olds. No particularly good 22 year olds.

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Some very good 21 year olds. No particularly good 22 year olds.

No, but Lillard was only a month shy of 22

[shangrila]

I often question others making statements that I don't think they have a case to make. I think Baseline overstepped on his acting like Edwards didn't have those qualities. However, if I were to say he was wrong that would be me overstepping. Hence my wishy washy stance. No I don't even have enough to go on to make an educated guess and I don't think Baseline or you do either.

Jesus Christ.

Of course you can make an educated guess. You have 30 odd games of college he played with which to form an opinion about him as a prospect. You might not be a professional scout but none of us here are so what's stopping you?

I can certainly look at how he played and argue that his defensive effort was poor, that his attention span wandered on both ends of the court and his AST:TO ratio wasn't great and therefore conclude that the traits Rosas mentioned as being difficult to teach are not ones Edwards possesses. That wasn't hard and actually promotes discussion.

I don't know that. Did you notice I said I think. That is just about the opposite of know. Due to his coordination and athleticism and his obvious drive on occasion it seems to me very likely that he has potential to be very good at the qualities mentioned

But how do you know that? You keep saying you don't know enough to have an opinion and yet you continue to repeat that he does have potential. So which is it? Do you know enough to have an opinion or don't you?

So that baselines imo unwarranted claim that Edwards was lacking in those areas didn't go unchallenged.

When you don't challenge him with something you're just doing it for the sake of it. And that's annoying.

Just saying "you're wrong" without backing it up isn't a valid response. And saying "you're wrong but you might be right but I don't know enough to comment" makes me wonder, again, why you bothered to comment at all.

You're trying to argue a fence sitting position where no one can disprove of what you say because you've said nothing. It's ridiculous.

Not padding my post count. I was questioning Baseline's declaration that Edwards does not have the qualities. I apologize for not phrasing my response in the form of an appropriate Jeopardy question

You clearly don't understand what I'm getting at, which isn't surprising at this point.

I'm not even informed enough to take a decent guess. I don't know how these traits apply to Edwards and I'm not willing to speculate any more about it then to say he has potential in those areas.

Right, I'm out. There is literally no point in having a discussion about basketball with someone who blatantly refuses to have an opinion.

[karch34]

Based on this tweet, it doesn't bode well for those wanting Edwards.

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This screams Okoro. And goes in line and time with him viewing himself as a Nr. 1 pick.

I would agree.

[KGdaBom]

I often question others making statements that I don't think they have a case to make. I think Baseline overstepped on his acting like Edwards didn't have those qualities. However, if I were to say he was wrong that would be me overstepping. Hence my wishy washy stance. No I don't even have enough to go on to make an educated guess and I don't think Baseline or you do either.

Jesus Christ.

Of course you can make an educated guess. You have 30 odd games of college he played with which to form an opinion about him as a prospect. You might not be a professional scout but none of us here are so what's stopping you?

I can certainly look at how he played and argue that his defensive effort was poor, that his attention span wandered on both ends of the court and his AST:TO ratio wasn't great and therefore conclude that the traits Rosas mentioned as being difficult to teach are not ones Edwards possesses. That wasn't hard and actually promotes discussion.

I don't know that. Did you notice I said I think. That is just about the opposite of know. Due to his coordination and athleticism and his obvious drive on occasion it seems to me very likely that he has potential to be very good at the qualities mentioned

But how do you know that? You keep saying you don't know enough to have an opinion and yet you continue to repeat that he does have potential. So which is it? Do you know enough to have an opinion or don't you?

So that baselines imo unwarranted claim that Edwards was lacking in those areas didn't go unchallenged.

When you don't challenge him with something you're just doing it for the sake of it. And that's annoying.

Just saying "you're wrong" without backing it up isn't a valid response. And saying "you're wrong but you might be right but I don't know enough to comment" makes me wonder, again, why you bothered to comment at all.

You're trying to argue a fence sitting position where no one can disprove of what you say because you've said nothing. It's ridiculous.

Not padding my post count. I was questioning Baseline's declaration that Edwards does not have the qualities. I apologize for not phrasing my response in the form of an appropriate Jeopardy question

You clearly don't understand what I'm getting at, which isn't surprising at this point.

I'm not even informed enough to take a decent guess. I don't know how these traits apply to Edwards and I'm not willing to speculate any more about it then to say he has potential in those areas.

Right, I'm out. There is literally no point in having a discussion about basketball with someone who blatantly refuses to have an opinion.

That's cool. My opinion is nobody knows if Edwards will have playmaking skills, good defense or passion when he enters the league. He has traits that indicate he could. A lot of people think he should be the first overall pick so they think he does. To me it seems like you are rushing to judgment. My only opinion is I have no strong opinion. I didn't know I was required to.

You act like me being middle of the road is annoying. Should I only be allowed to voice my opinion if it's the same or opposite of yours. Not everything is black and white. If anybody has a right to b e annoyed about this it's me. I'm trying to be the voice of reason.

[Midw35t]

I don't know Edwards well enough to say those things apply to him or not and neither do any of us.

You can take an educated guess based on his body of work though, can't you?
I often question others making statements that I don't think they have a case to make. I think Baseline overstepped on his acting like Edwards didn't have those qualities. However, if I were to say he was wrong that would be me overstepping. Hence my wishy washy stance. No I don't even have enough to go on to make an educated guess and I don't think Baseline or you do either.

You know, the thing we all generally do every time anyone posts on this website.

I think he has potential to be very good at the qualities mentioned, but just potential.

How do you know that?
I don't know that. Did you notice I said I think. That is just about the opposite of know. Due to his coordination and athleticism and his obvious drive on occasion it seems to me very likely that he has potential to be very good at the qualities mentioned

That is why Rosas has his job and needs to do due diligence. I wish I could be more insightful, but how could I be? Finding the answers to these questions is where Rosas will earn his pay and keep his job.

So why post then?
So that baselines imo unwarranted claim that Edwards was lacking in those areas didn't go unchallenged.

It seemed to be that Baseline was venturing his guess that Edwards did not possess the qualities and I was just questioning that thinking. In other words I would not be quick to declare Edwards lacking in those qualities.

You didn't question, you stated. "I don't see any ill bodings for Edwards from this". That isn't a question. When pressed you followed up with "well I don't know either way so there". It's such a pointless and annoying comment to make in a discussion. If you've got something to say, say it. If you have nothing to say, stop padding your post count.
Not padding my post count. I was questioning Baseline's declaration that Edwards does not have the qualities. I apologize for not phrasing my response in the form of an appropriate Jeopardy question

I'll ask again, how do these traits apply to Edwards? Take a guess if you need to.

I'm not even informed enough to take a decent guess. I don't know how these traits apply to Edwards and I'm not willing to speculate any more about it then to say he has potential in those areas.

This is the condensed video of what scares me off from Edwards.

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There is also one from his game against Kentucky where he just is lazy off the ball on both sides.

No doubt he shows glimpses of huge talent. But where is it the other 60% of the time?

[Neeva]

I think the pick will be Lamelo (if Rosas keeps it)

[KGdaBom]

I think the pick will be Lamelo (if Rosas keeps it)

That would be my biggest nightmare regarding this draft if that happens. Then he would have Russell and KAT both very unhappy as well as wasting the #1 pick on Ball.

When asked about playing with Ball IMO it is very easy to tell that Russell doesn't like the idea one tiny bit.

Here's a quote when asked by JJ Reddick about playing with LaMelo Ball.

Minnesota Timberwolves point guard D’Angelo Russell was recently a guest on New Orleans Pelicans shooting guard JJ Redick’s podcast, and he was asked about the possibility of playing with LaMelo Ball in the Timberwolves’ backcourt next season.

The Timberwolves have the No. 1 pick in the 2020 draft. Although the franchise has been heavily linked to Georgia guard Anthony Edwards, Minnesota could also draft Ball, the younger brother of Pelicans point guard Lonzo Ball.

Here’s what Russell had to say about the Timberwolves possibly drafting LaMelo, via Ben Beecken of FanSided’s Dunking With Wolves:

“I wouldn’t mind it, honestly, if – if that’s what it was and that’s what they see in the future…man, I’ve been in so many situations, I’d just attack it like any other.”

Did he say he'd hate it? No. However, I wouldn't mind it isn't exactly a ringing endorsement that one would like to hear about the Wolves bringing in the #1 draft pick. If Russell doesn't like it you know KAT won't like it.

[Midw35t]

I think the pick will be Lamelo (if Rosas keeps it)

I get a feeling that he won't keep it.

I'm also looking/hoping more on Achiuwa at 17 as a fit next to Towns.