RealGM 2020 Top 100 Project/List

Post #42 » by **trex_8063** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 7:47 pm

So far Jaivl has expressed preference for only TWO choices in the Ranked Vote System.
Dutchball97 gave TWO choices a sort of lukewarm endorsement, too (or at least stated an assumption it would be sufficient to avoid most runoffs.......I can't remember exactly, but I know we had at least a handful of runoffs in the last project [with two choices]).

LA Bird has advocated for THREE choices.
Doctor MJ possibly implied preference for THREE choices, if I've read between the lines correctly.

I'd like to hear from a few more people on this to get a better idea of what broad preference is.

Dutchball97 · Post #43 » by **Dutchball97** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 7:50 pm

I mean if there is a precedent of two choices not being enough on multiple occasions then I suppose three choices would be the way to go.

Hornet Mania · Post #44 » by **Hornet Mania** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 8:11 pm

Thanks for the notification trex_8063, I've been less active on the PC board so I missed that this was already going on. I'm definitely interested in participating as a voter.

As for the question of ranked choice voting I think three choices is a good idea.

Post #45 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 8:59 pm

drza wrote:I'd like to be a voter again. Participating in these projects really helps me focus on stories and angles that aren't always obvious, and this project times well with me wanting to dig into history a bit.

Now I feel like I need to be a voter to provide a counter balance to this legend's well-reasoned, video enhanced, statistically justified analysis with my let's say more esoteric approach.

But seriously I'm not qualified on enough of the older players past the very top guys to justify giving me a vote. But I'll gladly grunch the thread and may chime in the discussion from time to time where I feel like I can contribute something of value.

Always good to see you, Professor.

Joao Saraiva · Post #46 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 10:33 pm

Sure count me in. Two or three options.. don't matter.

Dr Positivity · Post #47 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 11:53 pm

Expecting a spicy #1 thread - I'm feeling confident in my pick

Dr Positivity · Post #48 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 11:56 pm

I am a fan of a nomination system personally. It helps avoid situations like scrab mentioned of voting for the off the board pick for 30 threads in a row, and it allows players to have a "pre-discussion" before their vote comes up.

Odinn21 · Post #49 » by **Odinn21** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 12:07 am

One question, will we be voting for the NBA goat or the basketball goat? Including high school, college and international careers?

Post #50 » by **trex_8063** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:50 am

Odinn21 wrote:One question, will we be voting for the NBA goat or the basketball goat? Including high school, college and international careers?

That's a great question, one I should have answered more clearly in the OP [I will edit the OP in a moment].

It's neither the NBA [only] GOAT, or the full basketball GOAT.

Our standard practice is to consider ONLY professional North American basketball from the 1946-47 season onward. That is: highschool and college are not to be considered, international play is not considered, any NBL or other barn-storming leagues PRIOR to '47 are not to be considered.

NBA/ABA/BAA [and NBL back as far as '47] are the stages considered.

Post #51 » by **trex_8063** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:52 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
drza wrote:I'd like to be a voter again. Participating in these projects really helps me focus on stories and angles that aren't always obvious, and this project times well with me wanting to dig into history a bit.

Now I feel like I need to be a voter to provide a counter balance to this legend's well-reasoned, video enhanced, statistically justified analysis with my let's say more esoteric approach.

But seriously I'm not qualified on enough of the older players past the very top guys to justify giving me a vote. But I'll gladly grunch the thread and may chime in the discussion from time to time where I feel like I can contribute something of value.

Always good to see you, Professor.

Please do contribute a vote, Chuck [my personal opinion].

And agree: it's nice to hear from you again drza. Glad to have you involved.

Pokecheque · Post #52 » by **Pokecheque** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 7:30 am

Long time lurker here, been looking forward to sharing my top 100 list and would love to participate.

Baski · Post #53 » by **Baski** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 7:49 am

trex_8063 wrote:Just quoting some folks we haven't heard from yet, mostly those who were active in the last Top 100 Project (several who I don't know if they're active anymore). Let me know if you want to participate, love to have you along on this....

Spoiler:
Baski wrote:.

limbo · Post #54 » by **limbo** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 8:11 am

trex_8063 wrote:As long as you're considering all of NBA/ABA/BAA history, that's fine. A lot of people bow out after 40 or 50 (or even 15 or 20).

Personally, i don't mess with anything pre-shot clock. It's already hard enough trying to compare players 50 years apart, attempting to fit proto basketball and games with 23-36 scorelines into that is utter calamity.

Gibson22 · Post #55 » by **Gibson22** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 10:22 am

I'm hyped as hell, I would like to partecipate

Joao Saraiva · Post #56 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 10:37 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Expecting a spicy #1 thread - I'm feeling confident in my pick

I expect Jordan to still take it.

I expect Bill Russell vs James vs KAJ a great debate for #2.

RCM88x · Post #57 » by **RCM88x** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 11:39 am

Unfortunately probably not going to participate this time around. Just don't know if I have the time to commit to the level I'd want to for this. Would feel bad only doing the first dozen or so.

Post #58 » by **trex_8063** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 12:57 pm

limbo wrote:
trex_8063 wrote:As long as you're considering all of NBA/ABA/BAA history, that's fine. A lot of people bow out after 40 or 50 (or even 15 or 20).

Personally, i don't mess with anything pre-shot clock. It's already hard enough trying to compare players 50 years apart, attempting to fit proto basketball and games with 23-36 scorelines into that is utter calamity.

Scores of that sort were an extreme rarity. Note for example that in '54 (last season before a shot-clock) the estimated league avg pace was still 90.0, and avg ppg was 79.5.
Yeah, that's very different from today, but perhaps not tremendously different from circa-2000, and a far cry from sub-30 games.

At the very least you should make an effort on a guy like George Mikan.

Dutchball97 · Post #59 » by **Dutchball97** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:15 pm

I don't think knowledge about pre-shot clock era will be too crucial. Arizin and Schayes did enough after 55 to be top 100 based on just that and in terms of guys who only played pre-shot clock I don't really see anybody deserving of top 100 outside of Mikan.

Post #60 » by **trex_8063** » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:29 pm

Baski wrote:
trex_8063 wrote:Just quoting some folks we haven't heard from yet, mostly those who were active in the last Top 100 Project (several who I don't know if they're active anymore). Let me know if you want to participate, love to have you along on this....

Spoiler:
Baski wrote:.