Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[Jammer]

Like hell should we bail Philly out of that Horford contract. Especially not for a Zero Jumpshot Guard. If you thought dealing with the Zone was bad now...


Now if we talk Embiid.... I’m all ears.

I have stated a few time, I think that there is potential for Embiid to not only demand trade, but for the celtics to be on his list of teams.

And I think we can put a package together that works without toucing the core of Tatum/Brown/Smart

Embiid's conditioning worries me. Seems to gas out above 33 minutes. But man is he good for the time he's got his legs.

[Fencer reregistered]

Reload also mentioned that Baynes was pissed.

He should have been. He opted into a bargain deal because he liked being here, and Danny dumped him to a non-contender.

[Fencer reregistered]

too add,

June 5th Baynes opted into his deal
July 8th is when the deal for Kemba was announced.

And we all know the original plan was to execute a 3 way trade for Kyrie/kemba/rozier that would have allowed team to retain both Baynes AND Horford.

that fell through because Danny didnt want to give Brooklyn a pick to do it.

If it was only one pick, I presume it would have happened.

And doesn't that assume Horford wanted to stay at that point, for money that Danny wanted to pay him?

[FlatearthZorro]

Like hell should we bail Philly out of that Horford contract. Especially not for a Zero Jumpshot Guard. If you thought dealing with the Zone was bad now...


Now if we talk Embiid.... I’m all ears.

I have stated a few time, I think that there is potential for Embiid to not only demand trade, but for the celtics to be on his list of teams.

And I think we can put a package together that works without toucing the core of Tatum/Brown/Smart

Embiid's conditioning worries me. Seems to gas out above 33 minutes. But man is he good for the time he's got his legs.

He's good, really good, but I dunno why, I'm not impressed whenever I watch him, like not superstar impressed. It seems like whenever you pull him out on the perimeter he struggles, and the thing you need to do is get him in every PnR and he's kinda useless on D. Definitely would help with rebounds tho. I don't see it happening anyways..

[SmartWentCrazy]

Seems like the likeliest trade would be Kanter, Poirier, and a a first rounder to just get them off the books and gain roster spots.

Anyone have any info on the likelihood of Hayward being dealt? Himmelsbach today said Celtics are still big Gordon guys and they want to keep him but you never know.

First part gets broken up into two pieces I bet. Kanter has an opt-in date after the draft so we likely have to work with him. My understanding is that we cant trade him at the draft if he has not opted in.

Portland gets: Kanter, 30
Boston gets: 47

Then, Poirier + 5M in cash to another team for a fake second round pick. That team subsequently cuts Poirier and gets 2.3M for their troubles.

With draft picks, we were projected to be about 15M into the tax and pay in total about 35M in tax. Those transactions save us roughly 9M in salary, but do not put us in range to being able to feasibly use our MLE [the 5M would functionally undo much of the benefit of the trade]. I’d guess we look to draft and stash at 26 to save another 2M. Still leaves us a bit too shallow to use the MLE [especially if we being back Wanamaker] but at least were closer.

Guessing theres still one more move out there.

[djFan71]

Seems like the likeliest trade would be Kanter, Poirier, and a a first rounder to just get them off the books and gain roster spots.

Anyone have any info on the likelihood of Hayward being dealt? Himmelsbach today said Celtics are still big Gordon guys and they want to keep him but you never know.

First part gets broken up into two pieces I bet. Kanter has an opt-in date after the draft so we likely have to work with him. My understanding is that we cant trade him at the draft if he has not opted in.

Portland gets: Kanter, 30
Boston gets: 47

Then, Poirier + 5M in cash to another team for a fake second round pick. That team subsequently cuts Poirier and gets 2.3M for their troubles.

With draft picks, we were projected to be about 15M into the tax and pay in total about 35M in tax. Those transactions save us roughly 9M in salary, but do not put us in range to being able to feasibly use our MLE [the 5M would functionally undo much of the benefit of the trade]. I’d guess we look to draft and stash at 26 to save another 2M. Still leaves us a bit too shallow to use the MLE [especially if we being back Wanamaker] but at least were closer.

Guessing theres still one more move out there.

That changes if Smitty is right and the tax line goes to $139M instead of staying flat. Then you can send out Poirier and keep Kanter, sign all 3 picks and you're at $4M over the tax with one roster spot left.

I don't really see a big out there that jettisoning Kanter and signing makes us significantly better.

Guards: Kemba, Smart, Romeo, Edwards
Wings: Jaylen, Jayson, Gordon
Bigs: Theis, GWill, RWill, Kanter

As long as we don't draft 3 combo guards, we can put one pick nicely into each group.

Either roll with 14 and stay in the first tax tier (< $5M over) til the deadline, or sign a vet (min all the way to tax MLE) and be into that 2nd tier.

If we draft multiple bigs, then you can get rid of Kanter, but having him as a vet is probably nicer.

[Dannyboy36]

Turner worries me that halfway through the year we’ll realize why his value was so low. His energy is so blah sometimes. I think I’d rather stick with Hayward. I’m more thinking what smart could return . Probably not a good deal out there. It’d have to be very good.

[BleedGreen1989]

New York Knicks receive: Enes Kanter, Romeo Langford, No. 14 pick (via MEM) and No. 30 pick (via MIL)

Boston Celtics receive: Taj Gibson and No. 8 pick

Ohhh Bleacher Report...

[captain green]

Seems like the likeliest trade would be Kanter, Poirier, and a a first rounder to just get them off the books and gain roster spots.

Anyone have any info on the likelihood of Hayward being dealt? Himmelsbach today said Celtics are still big Gordon guys and they want to keep him but you never know.

First part gets broken up into two pieces I bet. Kanter has an opt-in date after the draft so we likely have to work with him. My understanding is that we cant trade him at the draft if he has not opted in.

Portland gets: Kanter, 30
Boston gets: 47

Then, Poirier + 5M in cash to another team for a fake second round pick. That team subsequently cuts Poirier and gets 2.3M for their troubles.

With draft picks, we were projected to be about 15M into the tax and pay in total about 35M in tax. Those transactions save us roughly 9M in salary, but do not put us in range to being able to feasibly use our MLE [the 5M would functionally undo much of the benefit of the trade]. I’d guess we look to draft and stash at 26 to save another 2M. Still leaves us a bit too shallow to use the MLE [especially if we being back Wanamaker] but at least were closer.

Guessing theres still one more move out there.

We already own the 47th ? So confused

[SmartWentCrazy]

Seems like the likeliest trade would be Kanter, Poirier, and a a first rounder to just get them off the books and gain roster spots.

Anyone have any info on the likelihood of Hayward being dealt? Himmelsbach today said Celtics are still big Gordon guys and they want to keep him but you never know.

First part gets broken up into two pieces I bet. Kanter has an opt-in date after the draft so we likely have to work with him. My understanding is that we cant trade him at the draft if he has not opted in.

Portland gets: Kanter, 30
Boston gets: 47

Then, Poirier + 5M in cash to another team for a fake second round pick. That team subsequently cuts Poirier and gets 2.3M for their troubles.

With draft picks, we were projected to be about 15M into the tax and pay in total about 35M in tax. Those transactions save us roughly 9M in salary, but do not put us in range to being able to feasibly use our MLE [the 5M would functionally undo much of the benefit of the trade]. I’d guess we look to draft and stash at 26 to save another 2M. Still leaves us a bit too shallow to use the MLE [especially if we being back Wanamaker] but at least were closer.

Guessing theres still one more move out there.

We already own the 47th ? So confused

Correct— I meant 46

[SmartWentCrazy]

Seems like the likeliest trade would be Kanter, Poirier, and a a first rounder to just get them off the books and gain roster spots.

Anyone have any info on the likelihood of Hayward being dealt? Himmelsbach today said Celtics are still big Gordon guys and they want to keep him but you never know.

First part gets broken up into two pieces I bet. Kanter has an opt-in date after the draft so we likely have to work with him. My understanding is that we cant trade him at the draft if he has not opted in.

Portland gets: Kanter, 30
Boston gets: 47

Then, Poirier + 5M in cash to another team for a fake second round pick. That team subsequently cuts Poirier and gets 2.3M for their troubles.

With draft picks, we were projected to be about 15M into the tax and pay in total about 35M in tax. Those transactions save us roughly 9M in salary, but do not put us in range to being able to feasibly use our MLE [the 5M would functionally undo much of the benefit of the trade]. I’d guess we look to draft and stash at 26 to save another 2M. Still leaves us a bit too shallow to use the MLE [especially if we being back Wanamaker] but at least were closer.

Guessing theres still one more move out there.

That changes if Smitty is right and the tax line goes to $139M instead of staying flat. Then you can send out Poirier and keep Kanter, sign all 3 picks and you're at $4M over the tax with one roster spot left.

I don't really see a big out there that jettisoning Kanter and signing makes us significantly better.

Guards: Kemba, Smart, Romeo, Edwards
Wings: Jaylen, Jayson, Gordon
Bigs: Theis, GWill, RWill, Kanter

As long as we don't draft 3 combo guards, we can put one pick nicely into each group.

Either roll with 14 and stay in the first tax tier (< $5M over) til the deadline, or sign a vet (min all the way to tax MLE) and be into that 2nd tier.

If we draft multiple bigs, then you can get rid of Kanter, but having him as a vet is probably nicer.

I saw that with picks, were expected to be around 150M. If at 139, we have much more room and can do those transactions and sign an MLE big [Thompson?] at little consequence tax wise.

[captain green]

First part gets broken up into two pieces I bet. Kanter has an opt-in date after the draft so we likely have to work with him. My understanding is that we cant trade him at the draft if he has not opted in.

Portland gets: Kanter, 30
Boston gets: 47

Then, Poirier + 5M in cash to another team for a fake second round pick. That team subsequently cuts Poirier and gets 2.3M for their troubles.

With draft picks, we were projected to be about 15M into the tax and pay in total about 35M in tax. Those transactions save us roughly 9M in salary, but do not put us in range to being able to feasibly use our MLE [the 5M would functionally undo much of the benefit of the trade]. I’d guess we look to draft and stash at 26 to save another 2M. Still leaves us a bit too shallow to use the MLE [especially if we being back Wanamaker] but at least were closer.

Guessing theres still one more move out there.

We already own the 47th ? So confused

Correct— I meant 46

I'm not opposed to this then, but I'd try to get a bit more. This is an ainge type move though

[djFan71]

I saw that with picks, were expected to be around 150M. If at 139, we have much more room and can do those transactions and sign an MLE big [Thompson?] at little consequence tax wise.

I have us at $145.6M with picks, Kanter, Poirier and Yabu, DJax, & Javonte's $100k guarantee. If you dump Poirier, you're at $143M with 14 players.

Spoiler:

Hayward 34.187085
Kemba 34.3791
Brown 22.883929
Smart 12.946428
Tatum 9.89712
Theis 5
Langford 3.63120
G Will 2.49876
R Will 2.02992
Edwards 1.517981
Kanter 5.00535
Poirier 2.619207
Pick 30 2.04048
Pick 26 2.14512
Pick 14 3.64404

Yabusele 1.03908
Jackson 0.092857
Green 0.1

[100proof]

Saw an intersting trade discussed on Bleacher Report.

Kemba Kanter and youth (picks or Romeo) to San Antonio
for
Aldridge, Murray and #11.

IMO that tread is really interesting. Aldridge can deefend, has extended range out to the 3pt line (38% on 3 attempts per game) Murray is locked up and is the right age and due for a potential break out.

Smart/murray
brown/romeo
hayward/
tatum,/grantw
adridge/theis/Timelord

[BleedGreen1989]

Where are people finding the salary slots for draft picks?

[djFan71]

We already own the 47th ? So confused

Correct— I meant 46

I'm not opposed to this then, but I'd try to get a bit more. This is an ainge type move though

I doubt you need to send anything POR way, honestly. Kanter is a useful player they can use. Either a fake 2nd coming back, or I bet we could get 46 without sending 30. Still a super cheap pickup for POR. We might be able to do:

POR: Kanter for 46
SAC: Poirier, 30, 46, 47 for Bjelica
BOS: Bjelica for Kanter, 30, 47.

SAC may get a higher late pick from someone else, though, is the problem. And I'd rather draft 26 than trade for Bjelica.

[BleedGreen1989]

Saw an intersting trade discussed on Bleacher Report.

Kemba Kanter and youth (picks or Romeo) to San Antonio
for
Aldridge, Murray and #11.

IMO that tread is really interesting. Aldridge can deefend, has extended range out to the 3pt line (38% on 3 attempts per game) Murray is locked up and is the right age and due for a potential break out.

Smart/murray
brown/romeo
hayward/
tatum,/grantw
adridge/theis/Timelord

That's a great trade for Boston which is why SA takes a hard pass.

[djFan71]

Where are people finding the salary slots for draft picks?

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2021

You gotta multiply them by 1.2 though since first rounders almost always sign for 120%.

[captain green]

Correct— I meant 46

I'm not opposed to this then, but I'd try to get a bit more. This is an ainge type move though

I doubt you need to send anything POR way, honestly. Kanter is a useful player they can use. Either a fake 2nd coming back, or I bet we could get 46 without sending 30. Still a super cheap pickup for POR. We might be able to do:

POR: Kanter for 46
SAC: Poirier, 30, 46, 47 for Bjelica
BOS: Bjelica for Kanter, 30, 47.

SAC may get a higher late pick from someone else, though, is the problem. And I'd rather draft 26 than trade for Bjelica.

This would be the little more I was talking about if we could get bjelica for any of that then do that immediately. I like bjelica more than most probably though it does seem to have merit. When I do trades I like the picture myself as the opposing gm views and in this case I know I'm moving off of bjelica so what can I get back. Portland I think says I liked him and for 46 I'm in and I'm also thinking porier and 3 low picks has to be the most chances to get something

[Triple7]

https://www.bballrumors.com/2020/10/the-gordon-hayward-trade-rumors-are.html?fbclid=IwAR3w32YtNvv9JPXidmc-gYs9Wh3mU1H_H45ZFqGsXxqyAidu1QBisjpQUv4&m=1