2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

PhilLeotardo · Post #1321 » by **PhilLeotardo** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:07 am

Dez wrote:
PhilLeotardo wrote:Technically no one knows what Gafford will be. He was projected as a lotto pick prior to him not showing any improvement. He very well could be a late bloomer. The drive & athleticism is there

The reason he fell to the second round was because he has no offensive game to speak, he's a lob threat and that's it on offense.

Go ahead & reread my comment more thoroughly, so as to avoid redundancy going forward

Lexluthor · Post #1322 » by **Lexluthor** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:15 am

Does Deni have the potential to be better than Tyler Herro ?

PlayerUp · Post #1323 » by **PlayerUp** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:34 am

Lexluthor wrote:Does Deni have the potential to be better than Tyler Herro ?

They're completely different type of players. Deni does not have the scoring upside ceiling that Herro has.

PlayerUp · Post #1324 » by **PlayerUp** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:09 am

PhilLeotardo wrote:Gafford is absolutely getting underrated on this board, for sure

Dez wrote:Gafford is getting overrated.

So which is it?

PlayerUp · Post #1325 » by **PlayerUp** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:12 am

Howabout #4 for Cam Reddish + Couple of 2nds?

Dez · Post #1326 » by **Dez** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:20 am

PlayerUp wrote:
PhilLeotardo wrote:Gafford is absolutely getting underrated on this board, for sure

Dez wrote:Gafford is getting overrated.

So which is it?

Overrated, he's a good energy bench big that doesn't have an offensive game outside of catching lobs. Also needs to get physically stronger and stronger on the boards but that will come with time.

PlayerUp wrote:Howabout #4 for Cam Reddish + Couple of 2nds?

F*** no.

ImSlower · Post #1327 » by **ImSlower** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:09 am

PlayerUp wrote:Howabout #4 for Cam Reddish + Couple of 2nds?

Do you have an extra spray bottle of 409 to clean the vomit off my monitor?

MrFortune3 · Post #1328 » by **MrFortune3** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:10 am

PlayerUp wrote:
Lexluthor wrote:Does Deni have the potential to be better than Tyler Herro ?

They're completely different type of players. Deni does not have the scoring upside ceiling that Herro has.

Herro has more shooting upside, that’s not the same thing as scoring upside.

MrFortune3 · Post #1329 » by **MrFortune3** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:11 am

PlayerUp wrote:Howabout #4 for Cam Reddish + Couple of 2nds?

I loved Reddish coming out but hell to the no.

Post #1330 » by **GimmeDat** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:29 am

Reddish went from overrated to underrated. Was extremely good defensively all season and his offense went from (admittedly) abysmal in the first part of his rookie season to really quite impressive towards the latter half.

I'm higher on him now than I was at draft time (didn't want him at 7).

Would I trade 4 for him? Probably not.

Butler4thewin · Post #1331 » by **Butler4thewin** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:36 am

What was the name of that guy that the knicks drafted I thought was kd ish lol what he end up like

Brothaman33 · Post #1332 » by **Brothaman33** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:50 am

GimmeDat wrote:Reddish went from overrated to underrated. Was extremely good defensively all season and his offense went from (admittedly) abysmal in the first part of his rookie season to really quite impressive towards the latter half.

I'm higher on him now than I was at draft time (didn't want him at 7).

Would I trade 4 for him? Probably not.

Yea, I hated Reddish coming out but he got better and better as the season progressed.

He a prime example of why the draft is hard. You never know what athleticism and a drive to get better can do to a player.

Ayman78 · Post #1333 » by **Ayman78** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:29 am

Crazy talk how about the Bulls trade Wendell Carter to the Warriors for the number 2 pick and draft Ball. Then trade their 4 back to Boston for 14, 26 and 30.

Warriors get a center that fits well with winning now as well as development for the future. Plug and play quality starter.

Celtics get Obi Toppin and round out their core with a plug and play starter. They don't need 3 rookies to develop they're to close to being a championship caliber team.

The Bulls require the most development they get a target player in Ball to play in a three gaurd rotation that Donovan is good at coaching. At 14 they could look at multiple options Vassle if available or Kira Lewis. Then combine 26 and 30 plus 2nd round pick to get Aleksej Pokusevski where ever he lands. Sign a relatively cheap option like Marc Gasol to replace Carter. Now they can develop with a wider window and go in multiple directions.

PlayerUp · Post #1334 » by **PlayerUp** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:14 am

Ayman78 wrote:Crazy talk how about the Bulls trade Wendell Carter to the Warriors for the number 2 pick and draft Ball. Then trade their 4 back to Boston for 14, 26 and 30.

1. Wendell for the #2 is terrible value for the Warriors
2. Bulls trading #4 for #14, #26, and #30 is terrible value for the Bulls

gobullschi · Post #1335 » by **gobullschi** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:17 am

Ayman78 wrote:Crazy talk how about the Bulls trade Wendell Carter to the Warriors for the number 2 pick and draft Ball. Then trade their 4 back to Boston for 14, 26 and 30.

Warriors get a center that fits well with winning now as well as development for the future. Plug and play quality starter.

Celtics get Obi Toppin and round out their core with a plug and play starter. They don't need 3 rookies to develop they're to close to being a championship caliber team.

The Bulls require the most development they get a target player in Ball to play in a three gaurd rotation that Donovan is good at coaching. At 14 they could look at multiple options Vassle if available or Kira Lewis. Then combine 26 and 30 plus 2nd round pick to get Aleksej Pokusevski where ever he lands. Sign a relatively cheap option like Marc Gasol to replace Carter. Now they can develop with a wider window and go in multiple directions.

Yep. Crazy talk.

Andi Obst · Post #1336 » by **Andi Obst** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:11 am

PlayerUp wrote:
PhilLeotardo wrote:Gafford is absolutely getting underrated on this board, for sure

Dez wrote:Gafford is getting overrated.

So which is it?

There are people on this board who argue he's got enough value to convince the Warriors to trade down. I hope that answers the question.

d boy gentleman · Post #1337 » by **d boy gentleman** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:27 pm

PlayerUp wrote:
Ayman78 wrote:Crazy talk how about the Bulls trade Wendell Carter to the Warriors for the number 2 pick and draft Ball. Then trade their 4 back to Boston for 14, 26 and 30.

1. Wendell for the #2 is terrible value for the Warriors
2. Bulls trading #4 for #14, #26, and #30 is terrible value for the Bulls

Trading #4 in a already weak draft is a terrible move. I don't understand the fascination with doing that. Draft the best player on the board and keep it moving...

Benedict Miller · Post #1338 » by **Benedict Miller** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:54 pm

Hopeful that Wiseman slides

TheSuzerain · Post #1339 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:27 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
Lexluthor wrote:Does Deni have the potential to be better than Tyler Herro ?

They're completely different type of players. Deni does not have the scoring upside ceiling that Herro has.

Herro has more shooting upside, that’s not the same thing as scoring upside.

He has more scoring upside too.

Deni has no shake whatsoever.

MrFortune3 · Post #1340 » by **MrFortune3** » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:39 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
They're completely different type of players. Deni does not have the scoring upside ceiling that Herro has.

Herro has more shooting upside, that’s not the same thing as scoring upside.

He has more scoring upside too.

Deni has no shake whatsoever.

"Shake" isn't the only way to score and Herro cannot do a lot of the things Deni can similar to how Deni cannot shoot the way Herro can.
Herro does not have more scoring upside, he's just the rage right now. Just like when people make the asinine comments that Herro is already a better player than Zach.

Who do you want?