2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[neno]

Definitely. Celts could use him as a scoring punch off the bench ala Montrezl Harrell or Brandon Clarke. And unlike Kanter, you could actually play him with Rob Williams or Theis or any other 5 (actually, that might even be the ideal situation to cover up for his defensive deficiencies).

If he falls to 14 we just won the draft. Insta big offense. No way he is the guy that falls. If he does though I'll be happy as a clam in non boiling butter sauce.

It wouldn't really surprise me if Toppin fell out of the top 10, but that's mainly because I personally view him as a borderline top 10 draft who should go no higher than the 7-15 range. In terms of strengths and weaknesses, to a lesser extent build, I think Carl Landry might be the best comp for him.

If he progresses as a consistent threat from outside and progresses to be an above average defender, I think he's a valuable player and a good pick at 14, but I'd still weigh him up alongside guys like Nesmith and Bey.

I figure him or ball could slip if Ball and obi were there would we grab one and ball was a no

[Floody100]

It's been a few weeks since Boston played.. Anyone change their top 3 or 4 for the Celtics pick at 14.

Mine is slightly tweaked. No longer do I have Kira Lewis in my top 4..

For me, regardless of Hayward (I expect) being on the team or not.

1 - Sediq Bey - fits in just too well and can play right away at a good level. Great floor without a great ceiling.

2 - A Nesmith - a 2-3 perfect 3 and D player who also is rthe perfect compliment to Tatum/Brown/Kemba

3 - Pat Williams - a 3-4-5 Boy in an ever growing man's body. Might have the lowest floor of the top 2, but a higher possible ceiling. bit at 6'8 225 and just turning 19, wouldn't surprise me to see him at 6'9 and 250 playing all front court positions well within a year or two.

4 J Smith - still up and down on him, yet his inside/outside potential both on offense and defense is exactly what the doctor ordered for a center on Boston.

Nesmith is Jaylen Brown 2.0. Severely limited on offense. A pure 3 and sometimes D. He's not even on my radar and I'd be shocked that he's so high on boards except for the fact that these draft gurus are anything but.

It’s getting pretty pathetic now. This desperate attempt to convince people on this board that Brown is rubbish continues to amuse me.

You don’t average 21.8 PPG on 47.6/35.8/84.1 splits in the playoffs while being “severely limited on offense”

[playa-hater]

It's been a few weeks since Boston played.. Anyone change their top 3 or 4 for the Celtics pick at 14.

Mine is slightly tweaked. No longer do I have Kira Lewis in my top 4..

For me, regardless of Hayward (I expect) being on the team or not.

1 - Sediq Bey - fits in just too well and can play right away at a good level. Great floor without a great ceiling.

2 - A Nesmith - a 2-3 perfect 3 and D player who also is rthe perfect compliment to Tatum/Brown/Kemba

3 - Pat Williams - a 3-4-5 Boy in an ever growing man's body. Might have the lowest floor of the top 2, but a higher possible ceiling. bit at 6'8 225 and just turning 19, wouldn't surprise me to see him at 6'9 and 250 playing all front court positions well within a year or two.

4 J Smith - still up and down on him, yet his inside/outside potential both on offense and defense is exactly what the doctor ordered for a center on Boston.

I don't understand how people have Saddiq Bey over Tyler Bey especially considering Tyler is likely to be there for our second or even third pick (at least going by mock drafts). Tyler is a much better defender, capable of defending multiple positions. He's more versatile on offense. He can post up, he has a turn around J, can spot up from three, runs the floor exceptionally well and is an above average passer with high BBIQ. He's also a much better athlete than Saddiq with a powerful build, leaping ability and longer wingspan. I don't see why anyone would take Sadiq over Tyler no matter where they're picking let alone accounting for #14 over #26 and #30.

I'm starting to think Tyler will be the steal of the draft if he's taken where he's mocked. There are half a dozen guys going in the lottery in these mocks I wouldn't take over him. He reminds me of Kawhi in so many ways. If he works on his handle and shot and make it above average like Kawhi did between being drafted and his rookie season, he could be special. I think his game translates so much better for the pros than college. I have a feeling if he was taken #14 people would be pissed whereas I would understand because I wouldn't want to risk him not falling to #26. I wouldn't draft Saddiq tbh. He's a poor man's Mikal Bridges. Let someone else take him which will allow someone else better to fall to us.

Nesmith is Jaylen Brown 2.0. Severely limited on offense. A pure 3 and sometimes D. He's not even on my radar and I'd be shocked that he's so high on boards except for the fact that these draft gurus are anything but.

Patrick Williams is a Danny Ainge pick if I ever did see one. Undersized without a position. He lacks any semblance of offensive skills to be a SF despite having the perfect body and athleticism, and he lacks the size to be an old school PF that his skills align with. All without the BBIQ and passing you'd need for him to be a small ball 4/5. I see Jordan Bell. I guess if we traded out of the first and got an early 2nd I'd take him. He's another guy I know will get overdrafted by some G.M. and I hope it happens so someone much better drops to us.

I was originally higher on Jalen Smith who is what everyone was hoping for from and many of you sadly still believe, Robert Williams is. Basically Capela 2.0. Part of me sees some upside and part of me sees just a big body that can't defend the perimeter, nor has any offensive skills beyond dunks and occasional spot up jumpers like Capela. So I wouldn't take him at #14, but depending on who is left on the board with our late 1st I would consider him. TBH, I'd much rather let someone else take him and take Paul Reed later who I see as Theis 2.0 but actually an upgrade.

I am not responding to all of these comments. But calling Tyler better than S Bey is a reach IMO. TB is a solid looking defender, but so is Semi. I want an actual PROVEN knock down shooter, who also happens to have a lot of little subtleties that make S Bey a much safer and more probable player. I also would like to factor in players that come from Villanova, under Coach Wright, have proven to be far more fundamentally sound and NBA ready.

I want to go on record NOW and say that T Bey at 26 would be a fine selection that I am for. maybe he will, one day > S Bey. but If given the chance to put Boston up another notch and gain that all elusive title, I want a much more sure thing in

[playa-hater]

It's been a few weeks since Boston played.. Anyone change their top 3 or 4 for the Celtics pick at 14.

Mine is slightly tweaked. No longer do I have Kira Lewis in my top 4..

For me, regardless of Hayward (I expect) being on the team or not.

1 - Sediq Bey - fits in just too well and can play right away at a good level. Great floor without a great ceiling.

2 - A Nesmith - a 2-3 perfect 3 and D player who also is rthe perfect compliment to Tatum/Brown/Kemba

3 - Pat Williams - a 3-4-5 Boy in an ever growing man's body. Might have the lowest floor of the top 2, but a higher possible ceiling. bit at 6'8 225 and just turning 19, wouldn't surprise me to see him at 6'9 and 250 playing all front court positions well within a year or two.

4 J Smith - still up and down on him, yet his inside/outside potential both on offense and defense is exactly what the doctor ordered for a center on Boston.

I don't really get the "3&D" label for Nesmith. He's not that good defensively. Sort of a stiff athlete and isn't very impactful.

That's not to say I don't like him, I do. But I'm not expecting much out of him defensively but to amount to average on that side.

based on what I see, read and heard about in game film/videos, I feel he has all the tools physically to be a good defender. factor in Brad Stevens defensive system, my confidence is much closer to him reaching that potential than not. time will tell I guess.

[playa-hater]

Why not both Beys? Saddiq, Paul Reed, Tyler.
Tons of switchable, tougher wings/swings/bigs when added with our existing guys.

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner !!!

[playa-hater]

Tyrese Maxey is probably the best highest upside reward guard at #14 imo.

He's one of the best rim attacking guards in this draft and is a very good defender. He has that dog in him. I love to watch his defensive highlights and that says enough about his defensive potential imo, plus he's a solid offensive player as well. We lack a guard with his qualities.We have enough chuckers already on our team. His weaknesses are easy to polish. I think that he's the only guard outside the mock top 10 with no concerning weaknesses. .

If we go Guard at #14 i'd go for Maxey.

This draft is so hard to predict who goes where. If there wouldve been a combine some players would climb the boards between pick 10 and 20, and i think that Maxey would be one of the guys who would climb on the boards.

I would hate Boston getting another ball needy guard that isn't a knock down shooter. We already have at least one in M Smart.

[31to6]

Helllp I just watched highlights of Maxey’s defense and found myself resigned to him being the guy if he’s there at 14.

I mean, as a drop-in Wanamaker replacement we could do worse, and long term he could be a fit with our young guns if he can get his %s up.

But exciting? Nah.

[Ayman78]

Crazy talk how about the Bulls trade Wendell Carter to the Warriors for the number 2 pick and draft Ball. Then trade their 4 back to Boston for 14, 26 and 30.

Warriors get a center that fits well with winning now as well as development for the future. Plug and play quality starter.

Celtics get Obi Toppin and round out their core with a plug and play starter. They don't need 3 rookies to develop they're to close to being a championship caliber team.

The Bulls require the most development they get a target player in Ball to play in a three gaurd rotation that Donovan is good at coaching. At 14 they could look at multiple options Vassle if available or Kira Lewis. Then combine 26 and 30 plus 2nd round pick to get Aleksej Pokusevski where ever he lands. Sign a relatively cheap option like Marc Gasol to replace Carter. Now they can develop with a wider window and go in multiple directions.

Thoughts and opinions.

[celticfan42487]

Crazy talk how about the Bulls trade Wendell Carter to the Warriors for the number 2 pick and draft Ball. Then trade their 4 back to Boston for 14, 26 and 30.

Warriors get a center that fits well with winning now as well as development for the future. Plug and play quality starter.

Celtics get Obi Toppin and round out their core with a plug and play starter. They don't need 3 rookies to develop they're to close to being a championship caliber team.

The Bulls require the most development they get a target player in Ball to play in a three gaurd rotation that Donovan is good at coaching. At 14 they could look at multiple options Vassle if available or Kira Lewis. Then combine 26 and 30 plus 2nd round pick to get Aleksej Pokusevski where ever he lands. Sign a relatively cheap option like Marc Gasol to replace Carter. Now they can develop with a wider window and go in multiple directions.

Thoughts and opinions.

In general, not good enough value for the Warriors, might as well get a cost controlled guy for them.

For the Celtics, in the worst draft at the top in a long time they'd probably rather have 3 first rounders than 1.

Don't let this year's bubble fool you, the Celtics aren't as close to the championship as an ECF appearance would suggest. And with their two max guys in Kemba and Hayward not showing up / being hurt they have plenty of room to regress in the next couple of years. They'd rather trade for a proven player more than a rookie for sure.

[Bleeding Green]

Why wouldn't the Warriors just take a better player than WCJ? Just takes Hayes. I'm driving the Wiseman is mediocre train and even I would choose Wiseman over WCJ. Plus you control his contract for four years instead of two.

Also I am slowly buying pallets of sugar to dump into Zarren's gas tank if they trade up in this draft. And if they trade up to draft a **** mediocre big who maybe takes the Poirier minutes? Wyc is getting calls about him to the FBI every week.

[Squigglepuffin]

Celtics get Obi Toppin

Toppin is going to be a bust, even if selected at 14. At best he's a future bench player/low level starter. He's Derrick Williams 2.0.

[Fencer reregistered]

Crazy talk how about the Bulls trade Wendell Carter to the Warriors for the number 2 pick and draft Ball. Then trade their 4 back to Boston for 14, 26 and 30.

Warriors get a center that fits well with winning now as well as development for the future. Plug and play quality starter.

Celtics get Obi Toppin and round out their core with a plug and play starter. They don't need 3 rookies to develop they're to close to being a championship caliber team.

The Bulls require the most development they get a target player in Ball to play in a three gaurd rotation that Donovan is good at coaching. At 14 they could look at multiple options Vassle if available or Kira Lewis. Then combine 26 and 30 plus 2nd round pick to get Aleksej Pokusevski where ever he lands. Sign a relatively cheap option like Marc Gasol to replace Carter. Now they can develop with a wider window and go in multiple directions.

Thoughts and opinions.

In general, not good enough value for the Warriors, might as well get a cost controlled guy for them.

For the Celtics, in the worst draft at the top in a long time they'd probably rather have 3 first rounders than 1.

Don't let this year's bubble fool you, the Celtics aren't as close to the championship as an ECF appearance would suggest. And with their two max guys in Kemba and Hayward not showing up / being hurt they have plenty of room to regress in the next couple of years. They'd rather trade for a proven player more than a rookie for sure.

Three picks for one that high? If Danny likes somebody, I'm all for it. But he'd have to be projecting something that most pundits don't. In the case of Toppin that would be a defensive role he fills well, something that the naysayers don't expect for him.

[captain green]

The more I look over all the players I find myself giddy because this is open ended drafting I find myself believing almost all prospects have at least two abilities and if drafted by right team could be steal of draft. also great year for 2nd round steals. I think they think weak draft cause no clear # 1throug lottery which is true but I'm seeing alot of actual players that get minutes overall. More so in the past even.

[playa-hater]

Crazy talk how about the Bulls trade Wendell Carter to the Warriors for the number 2 pick and draft Ball. Then trade their 4 back to Boston for 14, 26 and 30.

Warriors get a center that fits well with winning now as well as development for the future. Plug and play quality starter.

Celtics get Obi Toppin and round out their core with a plug and play starter. They don't need 3 rookies to develop they're to close to being a championship caliber team.

The Bulls require the most development they get a target player in Ball to play in a three gaurd rotation that Donovan is good at coaching. At 14 they could look at multiple options Vassle if available or Kira Lewis. Then combine 26 and 30 plus 2nd round pick to get Aleksej Pokusevski where ever he lands. Sign a relatively cheap option like Marc Gasol to replace Carter. Now they can develop with a wider window and go in multiple directions.

Thoughts and opinions.

I think if golden state what to make a trade With Chicago, I would think they would prefer to take Lauri Markeddan over WCJ..

[No-Man]

Pretty sure the Celtics will add only one rookie, and another guy on a 2-way from this Draft, 1-2 stashed guys, one pick trade away to dump Kanter+Poirier

[winsomme2]

Helllp I just watched highlights of Maxey’s defense and found myself resigned to him being the guy if he’s there at 14.

I mean, as a drop-in Wanamaker replacement we could do worse, and long term he could be a fit with our young guns if he can get his %s up.

But exciting? Nah.

Like many players that will likely be available at 14, it's hard to know what their ceiling is.

Maxey could be the best player to come out of this draft. He's got tremendous skills. The only reason he's not a top 5 prospect is his 3pt% and that easily could be a blip.

I wish we had a March Madness to see this year. I think certain guys would have separated themselves under that pressure.

I ultimately would be okay if they picked Maxey if they really are in love with his game.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Celtics get Obi Toppin

Toppin is going to be a bust, even if selected at 14. At best he's a future bench player/low level starter. He's Derrick Williams 2.0.

Depends on the team he goes to— elite athlete with plus size and great skill. I think he’d be great here.

[flintsky21]

Helllp I just watched highlights of Maxey’s defense and found myself resigned to him being the guy if he’s there at 14.

I mean, as a drop-in Wanamaker replacement we could do worse, and long term he could be a fit with our young guns if he can get his %s up.

But exciting? Nah.

Any chance he could turn into a Donovan Mitchell?

[SmartWentCrazy]

I LOVE Maxey. Honestly, his only negative is that he’s Klutch and I dont want Rich Paul near Tatum haha. Would be thrilled if we get him.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Helllp I just watched highlights of Maxey’s defense and found myself resigned to him being the guy if he’s there at 14.

I mean, as a drop-in Wanamaker replacement we could do worse, and long term he could be a fit with our young guns if he can get his %s up.

But exciting? Nah.

Any chance he could turn into a Donovan Mitchell?

Given the way that Kentucky players have grown post draft, I think its fair to say he has legitimate ‘best player in the draft’ equity