2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[celticfan42487]

Everyone has a "chance" to be a Donavan Mitchell, but that's not how you should draft. You should draft on probabilities and maximizing the likelihood of success.

[TheMartian]

I don't see Maxey turning into a Donovan Mitchell. Maxey's drives are almost always floaters and layups based on scouting videos. Mitchell dunks in traffic with authority.

I do love Maxey's defense though.

[AgentGreen]

Tyrese Maxey is probably the best highest upside reward guard at #14 imo.

He's one of the best rim attacking guards in this draft and is a very good defender. He has that dog in him. I love to watch his defensive highlights and that says enough about his defensive potential imo, plus he's a solid offensive player as well. We lack a guard with his qualities.We have enough chuckers already on our team. His weaknesses are easy to polish. I think that he's the only guard outside the mock top 10 with no concerning weaknesses. .

If we go Guard at #14 i'd go for Maxey.

This draft is so hard to predict who goes where. If there wouldve been a combine some players would climb the boards between pick 10 and 20, and i think that Maxey would be one of the guys who would climb on the boards.

I would hate Boston getting another ball needy guard that isn't a knock down shooter. We already have at least one in M Smart.

He is a great finisher for his age. Maxey isn't that ball needy, he can play off the ball as well. He isn't a chucker like Smart, he uses his floater way to often when he needs to pass the ball instead. That aint a huge weakness, potentially he could be one of the best drive and dish guards in the league. Just needs to work on his shot and pass selection, that's all.

He's already a very good defender plus he's scoring threat on the otherside. What else do you want from such a unpolished youngster. He would be a great spark of the bench for us.

His player comparison is Donovan Mitchell with + Defense. Who wouldnt want a talent like that on his roster??! I'm actually sold on his talent/upside. He has that dawg in him, for such a young age already looks like a player who will succeed in the NBA.

Donovan Mitchell college stats:

2015–16
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
31 5 19.1 .442 .250 .754 3.4 1.7 .8 .1 7.4

2016–17
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
34 33 32.3 .408 .354 .806 4.9 2.7 2.1 .5 15.6

Tyrese Maxey freshman year:

2019–20
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
31 28 34.5 .427 .292 .833 4.3 3.2 .9 .4 14.0

[Bill Lumbergh]

I like Maxey, too. One of the several I'd be okay with at 14.

[BostonCouchGM]

Maxey is a small SG who can't shoot. Seriously, how are so many high on him? There will be better players well into the 2nd round. I just can't believe that I'm reading so many open to taking him at #14. It's baffling really.

[Kalela]

Celtics should load up on athletic and mobile wings/big men with good defense. Create the craziest defense in the league and go from there.

[captain green]

I'll be looking at maxey tonight rounding down my top 30. But crossed reference ESPN 15th, br 7th clutchpoints 8th and nbadraft have maxey at 20th.

[GoGreen]

Maxey is getting a lot of love, but like so many guys in this draft, his shot has a low release point that will be a problem next level. Stuff like that is so difficult to change and almost never converts to the nba afaik.

[CelticsPride18]

Edit: Wrong Thread

[100proof]

Maxey is a small SG who can't shoot. Seriously, how are so many high on him? There will be better players well into the 2nd round. I just can't believe that I'm reading so many open to taking him at #14. It's baffling really.

This.


Want a small shooting guard grab terry or joe.

2 actual shooters

[jfs1000d]

Thoughts on trading all 3 first round picks with Detroit to get Wiseman ?

Wiseman could essentially be another Andre Drummond, which in today's NBA isn't exactly a good thing.

He is slow off his feet, takes forever to get his jump shot off, and as strange as it sounds, he comes across as somewhat uncoordinated to me - too big to make a lot of fluid movements like a massive bodybuilder would be limited in certain movements.

He also reminds me of a bigger Marvin Bagley but not in a good way. Also he's got great top speed, but in the half court from a stand still his acceleration isn't great.

Okongwu could essentially be another Clint Capela, which again is not exactly a good thing in today's NBA and I'm surprised people are unable to see that. The comparisons to Bam Adebayo aren't apt imo and are more a product of comparing him with a flavor of the month who has the same physical profile rather than actually stepping back and really analysing.

This isn't a good draft at all. It's one of the weakest drafts (if not the weakest) of the past ten years so if we were to move up any year this would be the year. Personally I'd either stay where we are with the picks, trade the picks for underrated players already in the NBA atm, or at 14 just draft one of several players that could be available.

An option I would consider if I was Minnesota would be trading the first pick in the draft to Atlanta for John Collins if Atlanta aren't too enthusiastic on resigning him. There aren't many players from this draft I'm confident will end up as good as him.

Drummond is 100% my comp for Wiseman.

Then get wiseman.

Drummond a good player. Not great, but very good.


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[SmartWentCrazy]

Wiseman could essentially be another Andre Drummond, which in today's NBA isn't exactly a good thing.

He is slow off his feet, takes forever to get his jump shot off, and as strange as it sounds, he comes across as somewhat uncoordinated to me - too big to make a lot of fluid movements like a massive bodybuilder would be limited in certain movements.

He also reminds me of a bigger Marvin Bagley but not in a good way. Also he's got great top speed, but in the half court from a stand still his acceleration isn't great.

Okongwu could essentially be another Clint Capela, which again is not exactly a good thing in today's NBA and I'm surprised people are unable to see that. The comparisons to Bam Adebayo aren't apt imo and are more a product of comparing him with a flavor of the month who has the same physical profile rather than actually stepping back and really analysing.

This isn't a good draft at all. It's one of the weakest drafts (if not the weakest) of the past ten years so if we were to move up any year this would be the year. Personally I'd either stay where we are with the picks, trade the picks for underrated players already in the NBA atm, or at 14 just draft one of several players that could be available.

An option I would consider if I was Minnesota would be trading the first pick in the draft to Atlanta for John Collins if Atlanta aren't too enthusiastic on resigning him. There aren't many players from this draft I'm confident will end up as good as him.

Drummond is 100% my comp for Wiseman.

Then get wiseman.

Drummond a good player. Not great, but very good.


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Would cost you Smart and 14; would prefer that over getting a guy who will take 3/4 years to become today’s version of Drummond, personally.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Maxey is a small SG who can't shoot. Seriously, how are so many high on him? There will be better players well into the 2nd round. I just can't believe that I'm reading so many open to taking him at #14. It's baffling really.

Shot 83% from the line, 36% on 2pt jumpers and 35% on 600+ 3’s in high school. Im willing to bet on his indicators and larger history.

[djFan71]

Would anyone trade down with OKC? 14 for 25 and the best of their 1st round options next year that aren’t in the lotto. Very likely a pick in the early 20s from HOU, MIA or OKC after everything shakes out. Maybe late teens.

After 9-11 range in mocks it seems to be a slew of guards I don’t want. Then a bunch of bigs and Bey, Woodard as bigger wings, etc in that end of first round range. Take 3 shots at 25, 26, 30 and get an extra pick next year.

[djFan71]

Either that or gamble on RJ or Poku or Terry or something at 14.

[playa-hater]

Tyrese Maxey is probably the best highest upside reward guard at #14 imo.

He's one of the best rim attacking guards in this draft and is a very good defender. He has that dog in him. I love to watch his defensive highlights and that says enough about his defensive potential imo, plus he's a solid offensive player as well. We lack a guard with his qualities.We have enough chuckers already on our team. His weaknesses are easy to polish. I think that he's the only guard outside the mock top 10 with no concerning weaknesses. .

If we go Guard at #14 i'd go for Maxey.

This draft is so hard to predict who goes where. If there wouldve been a combine some players would climb the boards between pick 10 and 20, and i think that Maxey would be one of the guys who would climb on the boards.

I would hate Boston getting another ball needy guard that isn't a knock down shooter. We already have at least one in M Smart.

He is a great finisher for his age. Maxey isn't that ball needy, he can play off the ball as well. He isn't a chucker like Smart, he uses his floater way to often when he needs to pass the ball instead. That aint a huge weakness, potentially he could be one of the best drive and dish guards in the league. Just needs to work on his shot and pass selection, that's all.

He's already a very good defender plus he's scoring threat on the otherside. What else do you want from such a unpolished youngster. He would be a great spark of the bench for us.

His player comparison is Donovan Mitchell with + Defense. Who wouldnt want a talent like that on his roster??! I'm actually sold on his talent/upside. He has that dawg in him, for such a young age already looks like a player who will succeed in the NBA.

Donovan Mitchell college stats:

2015–16
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
31 5 19.1 .442 .250 .754 3.4 1.7 .8 .1 7.4

2016–17
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
34 33 32.3 .408 .354 .806 4.9 2.7 2.1 .5 15.6

Tyrese Maxey freshman year:

2019–20
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
31 28 34.5 .427 .292 .833 4.3 3.2 .9 .4 14.0

at best maybe it would be Maxey's ceiling, but he is no where near the incredible athlete DM is and not as good of a shooter. But I have been wrong before. so time will tell. But seeing LAL put Alex Caruso in the starting lineup and totally lock down Miami, only strengthens my belief that athletic defensive minded switch everything WING players ARE THE MOST VALUABLE in BB right now. 6'3 shooting guard when we already have a 5'11 PG is NOT good IMO. and before someone says M Smart is only 6'4, let me say Maxey is no M Smart on defense.

[playa-hater]

Celtics should load up on athletic and mobile wings/big men with good defense. Create the craziest defense in the league and go from there.

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[playa-hater]

Would anyone trade down with OKC? 14 for 25 and the best of their 1st round options next year that aren’t in the lotto. Very likely a pick in the early 20s from HOU, MIA or OKC after everything shakes out. Maybe late teens.

After 9-11 range in mocks it seems to be a slew of guards I don’t want. Then a bunch of bigs and Bey, Woodard as bigger wings, etc in that end of first round range. Take 3 shots at 25, 26, 30 and get an extra pick next year.

My belief is 14 gives us the best chance to add a good, step in, must needed rotational player. picks late 1st may take a year or more... I feel Boston is so close. Another year of seasoning for Brown Tatum, hopefully stay injury free, make a good trade perhaps and drafty well, we can get that RING!!

[djFan71]

Would anyone trade down with OKC? 14 for 25 and the best of their 1st round options next year that aren’t in the lotto. Very likely a pick in the early 20s from HOU, MIA or OKC after everything shakes out. Maybe late teens.

After 9-11 range in mocks it seems to be a slew of guards I don’t want. Then a bunch of bigs and Bey, Woodard as bigger wings, etc in that end of first round range. Take 3 shots at 25, 26, 30 and get an extra pick next year.

My belief is 14 gives us the best chance to add a good, step in, must needed rotational player. picks late 1st may take a year or more... I feel Boston is so close. Another year of seasoning for Brown Tatum, hopefully stay injury free, make a good trade perhaps and drafty well, we can get that RING!!

Yeah, just trying to think of new ideas - I don't know if it's brilliant or brilliantly stupid yet. I wish OKC was a few spots higher honestly, but they're the team with excess future picks that could maybe go for this.

You can still end up with 3 of Reed, T Bey, McDaniels, Stewart, Woodard, Tillie, Green, Oturu, Joe, Hughes, Ramsey, Tillman not in any order) and not have Maxey or Anthony or similar, I might consider it.

Heck, trade 30 & 47 to move up to 27 and then just pick 3 guys in a row.

[Spin Move]

Celtics get Obi Toppin

Toppin is going to be a bust, even if selected at 14. At best he's a future bench player/low level starter. He's Derrick Williams 2.0.

Not even the same type of player, I went to UofA and watched all of Derrick WIliams games, he is 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan, he is a great big 3/ stretch 4 prospect, just dont expect 10 boards a game, he is Shawn Marion Reborn would love to have him next to tatum, he is not going to be a small ball 5 but he is a great small ball 4. Gere are his caereer numbers in 2 seasons

FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
7.0 10.8 .647 6.3 9.2 .688 0.7 1.6 .417 2.5 3.6 .706 1.4 5.2 6.6 2.0 0.8 1.0 2.01.9 17.13.30

68% from 2, 41% from 3, 70% from the line, for a 6'9 guy he can really shoot, he will need a season or two to become an adequate defender but he will be a really good player, maybe not an All star but perhaps a Tobias Harris level player, which is a good comp, he is a more athletic Tobias Harris.