Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

Kobewade11 · Post #441 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:15 am

carnageta wrote:Embiid.

Embiiid.

Embiiiiiid.

Giannis is a far fetched dream and Beal/Oladipo/Derozan don’t fix our biggest weakness. Next year the East will add a new contender to the list, with KD/Kyrie and the Nets (who are also very long and big).

We need to get bigger. Embiid is a top 10 talent in the NBA with an offensive game refined enough to be the go to guy. He’s the perfect fit for Butler, and we all know Riley has an affection for dominant big man.

Bam/Butler/Embiid + shooting is a championship core that can make it back to the finals not only next year, but for the next several years to come.

Make it happen Riley. Let’s bring home the best C in the East.

What are you offering? Doc Rivers took the job to coach Simmons and Embiid, he’s not going to come cheap.

Post #442 » by **Wiltside** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:22 am

We don’t have the currency for Biid without Bam going the other way. There’s no way they can sell that to the fan base, particularly with how badly the Butler decision worked out for them.

Our best chance to get better is Free Agency 2021. It’s not that palatable given it’s a whole ‘nother season away, but any material trade to get better would come at a significant cost (Bam, Herro) that may not actually be worth it.

Adding a Kawhi, a Giannis or a *gulp* Paul George is probably our best bet in 2021.

carnageta · Post #443 » by **carnageta** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:25 am

kobewade11 wrote:
carnageta wrote:Embiid.

Embiiid.

Embiiiiiid.

Giannis is a far fetched dream and Beal/Oladipo/Derozan don’t fix our biggest weakness. Next year the East will add a new contender to the list, with KD/Kyrie and the Nets (who are also very long and big).

We need to get bigger. Embiid is a top 10 talent in the NBA with an offensive game refined enough to be the go to guy. He’s the perfect fit for Butler, and we all know Riley has an affection for dominant big man.

Bam/Butler/Embiid + shooting is a championship core that can make it back to the finals not only next year, but for the next several years to come.

Make it happen Riley. Let’s bring home the best C in the East.

What are you offering? Doc Rivers took the job to coach Simmons and Embiid, he’s not going to come cheap.

They’re already talking about trading away Simmons. The whole thing could blow up in their faces and Embiid may demand a trade.

Yes, Embiid isn’t coming cheap, but either are Lillard or Beal. All 3 scenarios would require us to gut out our roster.

Not sure if it will be enough without giving up Bam, but if anyone can pull something like this off, it’s Pat.

Post #444 » by **Wiltside** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:28 am

We’d have to hope a package of Olynyk, Igoudala, Herro, Nunn and our FRP and another pick was enough. Even then it probably wouldn’t be. Particularly if they’re keeping Biid in the East.

They’d 100% want both Herro and Robinson, which we can’t afford to do. We’d have Bam, Butler and Biid with no spacing.

Flash4thewin · Post #445 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:51 am

Bam is rightfully eligible for his Max contract now. Do we Max him or tell him to wait, and face whatever consequences that brings.

Beenie · Post #446 » by **Beenie** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:58 am

Embid doesn't make my shortlist of desired trade targets. That said, him in exchange for Bam and fillers makes the team better, no doubt.

Giannis remains the primary target. If he becomes available and Bam is what they require as the centerpiece in a deal, Riley does that deal in 2 seconds.

Also keeping tabs on the possibility of other disgruntled stars such as Lillard becoming available. I love Herro, but I suspect Riley would move him for Dame if the opportunity ever presented itself.

RexBoyWonder · Post #447 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:03 am

carnageta wrote:Embiid.

Embiiid.

Embiiiiiid.

Giannis is a far fetched dream and Beal/Oladipo/Derozan don’t fix our biggest weakness. Next year the East will add a new contender to the list, with KD/Kyrie and the Nets (who are also very long and big).

We need to get bigger. Embiid is a top 10 talent in the NBA with an offensive game refined enough to be the go to guy. He’s the perfect fit for Butler, and we all know Riley has an affection for dominant big man.

Bam/Butler/Embiid + shooting is a championship core that can make it back to the finals not only next year, but for the next several years to come.

Make it happen Riley. Let’s bring home the best C in the East.

There are ZERO, 0, ways we can get Embbid and keep Bam.

I'll take Bam.

jaseda510 · Post #448 » by **jaseda510** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:05 am

Flash4thewin wrote:Bam is rightfully eligible for his Max contract now. Do we Max him or tell him to wait, and face whatever consequences that brings.

Is maxing Bam out even an option if doing so takes us out of the 2001 sweepstakes?

Flash4thewin · Post #449 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:09 am

jaseda510 wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:Bam is rightfully eligible for his Max contract now. Do we Max him or tell him to wait, and face whatever consequences that brings.

Is maxing Bam out even an option if doing so takes us out of the 2001 sweepstakes?

It would take us out capwise but not trade wise. Remember we got Bulter with no cap space. It’s just one of the many things to consider.

carnageta · Post #450 » by **carnageta** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:18 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:
carnageta wrote:Embiid.

Embiiid.

Embiiiiiid.

Giannis is a far fetched dream and Beal/Oladipo/Derozan don’t fix our biggest weakness. Next year the East will add a new contender to the list, with KD/Kyrie and the Nets (who are also very long and big).

We need to get bigger. Embiid is a top 10 talent in the NBA with an offensive game refined enough to be the go to guy. He’s the perfect fit for Butler, and we all know Riley has an affection for dominant big man.

Bam/Butler/Embiid + shooting is a championship core that can make it back to the finals not only next year, but for the next several years to come.

Make it happen Riley. Let’s bring home the best C in the East.

There are ZERO, 0, ways we can get Embbid and keep Bam.

I'll take Bam.

You’re probably right lol, but let a man dream :wink:

RexBoyWonder · Post #451 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:30 am

Realex, We'll have enough room to add a max salary after this upcoming season. That means we won't need to give up assets and we would keep Bam, Herro, and anyone else we want to keep from this current team.

The best free agents options for the 2021-2022 season are :

1. Giannis
2. Kawhi
3. LBJ and Davis - NOT hapening.
4. Paul George
5. Jrue Holiday
6. Victor Oladipo
7. Justise Winslow

In 2022-2023 these guys become options (But we don't want to wait that long with Jimmy already here) :

1.James Harden
2. Kevin Durant
3. Stephen Curry
4. Bradley Beal
5. Zach LaVine

contract · Post #452 » by **contract** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:34 am

Flash4thewin wrote:Bam is rightfully eligible for his Max contract now. Do we Max him or tell him to wait, and face whatever consequences that brings.

Pat will make him wait. It's not like anyone else can pay him more when he becomes a free agent.

RexBoyWonder · Post #453 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:39 am

contract wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:Bam is rightfully eligible for his Max contract now. Do we Max him or tell him to wait, and face whatever consequences that brings.

Pat will make him wait. It's not like anyone else can pay him more when he becomes a free agent.

Right. And his cap hold is alot lower then his max, so that will help us bring in talent next year.

My concern is - Is anyone besides Giannis and Kawhi on that list really taking us to the chip?

Johnny Firpo · Post #454 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:40 am

Why do anything hasty? I mean, Jimmy is great and all, but you have a young core thing going on simultaneously. You bank on inside growth, give Goran a bigger one year deal, and you wait for the 2021 FA market. I hope my Mavs does the same thing, you gotta give yourself a chance to get Giannis, and not do anything to compromise that.

BaffLer · Post #455 » by **BaffLer** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:43 am

Who would fill in at the 5 for a hypothetical Kawhi/Butler pairing? I'm assuming Bam assumes full-time PF duties?

contract · Post #456 » by **contract** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:46 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:
contract wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:Bam is rightfully eligible for his Max contract now. Do we Max him or tell him to wait, and face whatever consequences that brings.

Pat will make him wait. It's not like anyone else can pay him more when he becomes a free agent.

Right. And his cap hold is alot lower then his max, so that will help us bring in talent next year.

My concern is - Is anyone besides Giannis and Kawhi on that list really taking us to the chip?

I'm not sure Giannis could. Him, Butler, and Bam, playing together would really mess up our spacing.

RexBoyWonder · Post #457 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:46 am

BaffLer wrote:Who would fill in at the 5 for a hypothetical Kawhi/Butler pairing? I'm assuming Bam assumes full-time PF duties?

Yes. Jimmy and Kawhi both are super physical wings, Bam is big enough to play as the C next to them.We'll have another big body on the bench if that happens.

Herro
Jimmy
Robinson
Kawhi
Bam

Post #458 » by **Wiltside** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:50 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:
BaffLer wrote:Who would fill in at the 5 for a hypothetical Kawhi/Butler pairing? I'm assuming Bam assumes full-time PF duties?

Yes. Jimmy and Kawhi both are super physical wings, Bam is big enough to play as the C next to them.We'll have another big body on the bench if that happens.

Herro
Jimmy
Robinson
Kawhi
Bam

Would be a super sexy lineup, no doubt.

The alternative hopeful lineup would be:

Herro
Jimmy
Duncan
Giannis
Bam

Either would be putting us in the 'chip conversation. The Kawhi/Jimmy one for probably 3 or so years, the Giannis one probably longer if he truly committed for 5+.

RexBoyWonder · Post #459 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:52 am

contract wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
contract wrote:Pat will make him wait. It's not like anyone else can pay him more when he becomes a free agent.

Right. And his cap hold is alot lower then his max, so that will help us bring in talent next year.

My concern is - Is anyone besides Giannis and Kawhi on that list really taking us to the chip?

I'm not sure Giannis could. Him, Butler, and Bam, playing together would really mess up our spacing.

Iv'e talked about that in length a couple of pages ago. And while I somewhat agree, You just can't overthink it. Giannis is the biggest, youngest talent any team can add.

So first - you add him.

Then, you do anything possible to maximize spacing and hope it works :

1. Jimmy will need to go back to shooting 3's. He's done is on decent % for multiple years before.
2. Bam will need to keep expanding his range. He's doing it every year and will need to continue the trend.
3. Herro and Robinson are the perfect "others" to pair with that group. 2 high level, high volume shooters.

If it still doesn't work, You keep Giannis and Move Bam or Jimmy for better fitting pieces.
Giannis is Only 25 YO, so you'll have time to try things and reconfigure if need be.

BaffLer · Post #460 » by **BaffLer** » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:06 am

I like the thought of elite perimeter defense which is why Jrue also sticks out for me. But Giannis is just a physical specimen that is almost too good to pass up.

I certainly hope Duncan and Tyler can find it within themselves to nail their defense. And I know it's not for a lack of trying. They're just too slow/small to defend the quicker, stronger guys out there. Maybe we've seen the ceiling of their defense? I hope not.