Michael Jordan is still the GOAT. Lebron has solidified the #2 spot though.

[PhilBlackson]

Its not just that LeBron lost in the Finals, its how that disqualifies him...

He had THE biggest meltdown in pretty much NBA history of any player remotely near his caliber when DAL embarrassed him/the Heat (The Frozen One) and secondly getting beat by historical margins by the Spurs when the Heat were the favorites.

Let me guess though bu..bu..but 3-1 lol next!!!

MJ is the GOAT, deal with it.

2011 was 9 years ago....since that time,he won 4 titles and 4 FMVP.

Does that somehow erase those FACTS or do you really just have no point?! lol

[Bigfactsstackz]

I think the GOAT discussion would be close if Jordan carried the load like LeBron has in the finals but he didn’t lol

LeBron leads his teams in almost every statistical category and he still wins. Jordan was what... leading in scoring and that it? That’s all? Having all that energy to save for scoring? Why isn’t this talked about more? LeBron does it all. Jordan didn’t have to do it all. Scottie clearly did it ALL on the court. Jordan was lucky to have him

Yeah so lucky to have Scottie when Scottie was out there averaging 15 PPG on 40 % against Utah

[Marty_Budda]

I’ll give credit where credit is due. If he can win a couple of more titles than he has a chance to surpass MJ but it’s hard for me to give someone the ‘GOAT’ status when they’ve lost more finals than they’ve won, especially when the guy he’s trying to pass has never lost a final.

He'll never even be top 5 until he wins without Klutch sports and rigged super teams. If he stayed on Cleveland his whole career and had 4 rings I would be listening.

I’m sure you woulda loved that as a Lebron hater. Him having to carry trash Cleveland teams with mo Williams as his 2nd best player to nba finals and getting beat so you can shove the “Lebron has no killer instinct” and “MJ would never” narrative down everyone’s throat.

If MJ didn’t have a great organization behind him with great players he woulda left for the Knicks quicker than you can say GOAT.

[dynamic duo]

anti-lebron gang in shambles. lebron has now been the clear-cut best player in the finals 8 times. east, west.. don't matter goat gonna goat.

[GreenBloodedC]

When Jordan became the undisputed best player in the league, he never lost in the Playoffs other than when he came back after leaving the league.

When LeBron became the undisputed best player in the league, he lost multiple times in the finals.

Because it's a team game, not tennis or boxing. GSW 17 and 18 were BY FAR better team than Cavs. In 2015 he played with a bunch of role players (Kyrie and Love injured). The only final defeat you can blame him for is the 2011 finals.

You think Jordan won all 6 rings by himself? He was the best player in the league in late 80's but still lost 3 times in a row against Pistons because he didn't have enough help.

Give me one Bulls final opponent from the 90's comparable to the Warriors with Durant, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy. Give me one final when Jordan played without Pippen and Grant/Rodman like LeBron in 2015

Just excuses for LeBron.

Basketball is the only team sport where an individual greatly affects the odds in favor of a team.

This is why almost always, you need at least a top 5 player to win the championship.

[KyRo23]

I think the GOAT discussion would be close if Jordan carried the load like LeBron has in the finals but he didn’t lol

LeBron leads his teams in almost every statistical category and he still wins. Jordan was what... leading in scoring and that it? That’s all? Having all that energy to save for scoring? Why isn’t this talked about more? LeBron does it all. Jordan didn’t have to do it all. Scottie clearly did it ALL on the court. Jordan was lucky to have him

Yeah so lucky to have Scottie when Scottie was out there averaging 15 PPG on 40 % against Utah

Sure was!

Bron GOAT

[Brofessor24]

He'll never even be top 5 until he wins without Klutch sports and rigged super teams. If he stayed on Cleveland his whole career and had 4 rings I would be listening.

Keep sipping that haterade.

Everything I said is true though. He's a fraud who uses his own player agency to get a competitive advantage over the league. NBA even investigated him for it. He has control over his teammates commissions which is absolutely ****.

You gave your opinion, not facts.

The NBA found no conflict of interest/didn't punish him.

[Shanghai Kid]

I think the GOAT discussion would be close if Jordan carried the load like LeBron has in the finals but he didn’t lol

LeBron leads his teams in almost every statistical category and he still wins. Jordan was what... leading in scoring and that it? That’s all? Having all that energy to save for scoring? Why isn’t this talked about more? LeBron does it all. Jordan didn’t have to do it all. Scottie clearly did it ALL on the court. Jordan was lucky to have him

The numbers don't really support that.

Here are his numbers in his first 3 finals.

31ppg/11.4 apg/6.6 rpg
35.8ppg/6.5 apg/4.8 rpg
41ppg/6.3 apg/8.5 rpg

Keep in mind that MJ was an elite defensive player also. We're not talking about Rip Hamilton here lol. He was clearly putting up all around dominant numbers, not just scoring. In the second 3-peat he was less of a playmaker. But even then in the 1997 finals he averaged 32/7/6. All around numbers with great defense. I didn't even list his steals and blocks also.

[OdomFan]

Its not just that LeBron lost in the Finals, its how that disqualifies him...

He had THE biggest meltdown in pretty much NBA history of any player remotely near his caliber when DAL embarrassed him/the Heat (The Frozen One) and secondly getting beat by historical margins by the Spurs when the Heat were the favorites.

Let me guess though bu..bu..but 3-1 lol next!!!

MJ is the GOAT, deal with it.

2011 was 9 years ago....since that time,he won 4 titles and 4 FMVP.

Does that somehow erase those FACTS or do you really just have no point?! lol

No point there what so ever. Especially considering that he's lost multiple more times in the finals since 2011.

[TONY_YAYO]

Lebron career isnt over yet as ppl can see just when alot of ppl thought he would never win another one...Lebron doesnt need six rings to be the greatest just couple of more yrs at this level with at least winning or challenging for 1 more title

[E-Balla]

Lebron is the goat. Jordan couldnt do these things at 35.

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Jordan literally won a ring at 35 hitting one of the biggest shots in NBA history against a team many would argue is one of the best 5 teams to never win a ring.

[zimpy27]

Well, that's just like, your opinion man

[OdomFan]

Lebron career isnt over yet as ppl can see just when alot of ppl thought he would never win another one...Lebron doesnt need six rings to be the greatest just couple of more yrs at this level with at least winning or challenging for 1 more title

Winning or challenging for 1 more title doesn't make his previous finals loses irrelevant. It'll only just prove more that he's simply the best of his own era.

[Homer38]

2011 was 9 years ago....since that time,he won 4 titles and 4 FMVP.

Does that somehow erase those FACTS or do you really just have no point?! lol

No point there what so ever. Especially considering that he's lost multiple more times in the finals since 2011.

Against the spurs and the warriors where they had 3 or more HOF players who were still playing at a high level .... LBJ has played very well in every finals since 2012

[E-Balla]

anti-lebron gang in shambles. lebron has now been the clear-cut best player in the finals 8 times. east, west.. don't matter goat gonna goat.

I don't think LeBron outplayed Jimmy. He outplayed him in game 6 and game 1 was a toss up but games 2-5 Jimmy outplayed him pretty clearly IMO and overall their numbers are similar but Jimmy was guarding LeBron while LeBron was coasting and letting AD check Jimmy.

[Alize]

Sure, but he didnt average nearly a triple double on nearly 60% fg. His stats were cute.

Lebron is the goat. Jordan couldnt do these things at 35.

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Jordan literally won a ring at 35 hitting one of the biggest shots in NBA history against a team many would argue is one of the best 5 teams to never win a ring.

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[camby23]

When Jordan became the undisputed best player in the league, he never lost in the Playoffs other than when he came back after leaving the league.

When LeBron became the undisputed best player in the league, he lost multiple times in the finals.

Because it's a team game, not tennis or boxing. GSW 17 and 18 were BY FAR better team than Cavs. In 2015 he played with a bunch of role players (Kyrie and Love injured). The only final defeat you can blame him for is the 2011 finals.

You think Jordan won all 6 rings by himself? He was the best player in the league in late 80's but still lost 3 times in a row against Pistons because he didn't have enough help.

Give me one Bulls final opponent from the 90's comparable to the Warriors with Durant, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy. Give me one final when Jordan played without Pippen and Grant/Rodman like LeBron in 2015

Just excuses for LeBron.

Basketball is the only team sport where an individual greatly affects the odds in favor of a team.

This is why almost always, you need at least a top 5 player to win the championship.

So why Jordan didn't do it in 80's against Pistons? He was a looser or Pistons was just a better team? Lebron averaged 34 ppg (52%) 8.5 rpg, 10 apg and 33.6 ppg (56%) 12 rpg 10 apg in last two finals against Warriors. What more could he do? These are a GOAT numbers.

This is what I hate about b-ball media and fans. You see basketball players as cartoon characters who win titles by willpower.

[SpaceCenter]

Keep sipping that haterade.

Everything I said is true though. He's a fraud who uses his own player agency to get a competitive advantage over the league. NBA even investigated him for it. He has control over his teammates commissions which is absolutely ****.

You gave your opinion, not facts.

The NBA found no conflict of interest/didn't punish him.

It just means that they couldn't link him financially but its dumb to think that he doesn't have Rich Paul and that agency in his back pocket. Rich Paul owes his whole career to Lebron and will bend over backwards for him. Lebron can even influence other agencies by getting Klutch to offer low commissions and having other player agencies match. Even players not in Klutch can benefit.

[GreenBloodedC]

Because it's a team game, not tennis or boxing. GSW 17 and 18 were BY FAR better team than Cavs. In 2015 he played with a bunch of role players (Kyrie and Love injured). The only final defeat you can blame him for is the 2011 finals.

You think Jordan won all 6 rings by himself? He was the best player in the league in late 80's but still lost 3 times in a row against Pistons because he didn't have enough help.

Give me one Bulls final opponent from the 90's comparable to the Warriors with Durant, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy. Give me one final when Jordan played without Pippen and Grant/Rodman like LeBron in 2015

Just excuses for LeBron.

Basketball is the only team sport where an individual greatly affects the odds in favor of a team.

This is why almost always, you need at least a top 5 player to win the championship.

So why Jordan didn't do it in 80's against Pistons? He was a looser or Pistons was just a better team? Lebron averaged 34 ppg (52%) 8.5 rpg, 10 apg and 33.6 ppg (56%) 12 rpg 10 apg in last two finals against Warriors. What more could he do? These are a GOAT numbers.

This is what I hate about b-ball media and fans. You see basketball players as cartoon characters who win titles by willpower.

Because he and the Bulls still needed to improve and grow at that time? Give me an instance that the Bulls lost when Jordan was already at his peak and they were the favorites.

I can give you several instances LeBron lost when his team were the favorites and he is clearly the best player on the floor.

[Official]

Jordan's dominance was from a bygone era. Just like Jordan took the crown from those in previous eras. Lebron will do the same. Jordan played on teams who shot 26% from three on 11 attempts per game. Those teams can't even make the playoffs in today's NBA. Yet in Jordan's era he won championships. If that doesn't tell you have much the NBA has changed in talent level and analytics to perfect playing styles on offense and defense, making it more difficult, just continue living nostalgic.