2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[ShayDee]

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This is HUGE

You know what I am guessing?

The team will bring in Obi Toppin and James Wiseman alot

They are by far the most questions we have and are deeply looking at in my opinion.

I hope Wiseman impresses

[Mylie10]

Cool

[TB]

To stop Anthony Davis we need Wiseman + several bigs and wings for doubles. Dude is a beast in the paint.

I think Draymond may still be the best player in the entire league at slowing down Davis.

But totally agree that we need more strong wings/bigs to throw at him and others. Wiseman and Okongwu probably only rookies that can even attempt to guard him (will still get absolutely abused in 2021 by a guy that might be the best player in the world).

The way we beat the Lakers is keeping our advantage on the perimeter. We need to run them off the court and bomb 3s. Steph/Klay/Wiggins/new players that can shoot will be what beats the lakers more than any new "davis stoppers" on defense. Basically, you can't stop AD and he probably stops any big on our team from scoring... so we might as well just swap 3's for his 2's.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

This cuts through it all....this guy from Forbs (beside crazy black eyes) has it down when it comes to assessing everything.

For example, did you all know that if the Warriors use the tax payer MLE it will cost the Warriors 30 Million to use it?

Anyway....take a listen....especially when it comes to who to draft and why.

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Good breakdown. I like Patrick Murray's assessment (Right on par with mine, actually). Murray says Wiseman has all the physical tools to be great defender, but will his actual basketball (offensive) skills be taken to the next level (e.g., back to the basket scoring, jumpshot, making the easy/basic passes, etc.) to help Curry and the gang in their playoff window? That is a honest question we have to ask ourselves: Do we want someone (who's being drafted at #2) to eventually be a good player (aka Wiseman)? For #2 pick, Wiseman should show that potential, but even in his early days of playing and 3 collegiate games, he's only demonstrated to be just an athletic freak without substance (Again, hard to judge because lack of footages and playing.). Even for a weak draft, you still do hope and want your player to be good in 2-4 years.

And he mentions Oppi Toppin possibly being the guy to draft because of what he can do NOW. His thin/skinny hips will be an issue regarding lateral quickness to defend, so we have to compensate by double-teaming / help defense.

This one is tough.. Myers and Co. will make that judgment when they take Wiseman in for individual workouts and scrimmages..

[BW32]

I want whoever will have had the best career 20 years from now, we don't even know when the next season starts or how many games or bubble/no bubble, we don't need to be making shortsighted moves just to get a rookie that's slightly better than the other rookies for his first two years.

[TB]

This cuts through it all....this guy from Forbs (beside crazy black eyes) has it down when it comes to assessing everything.

For example, did you all know that if the Warriors use the tax payer MLE it will cost the Warriors 30 Million to use it?

Anyway....take a listen....especially when it comes to who to draft and why.

[url]

Watch on YouTube

[/url]

Good breakdown. I like Patrick Murray's assessment (Right on par with mine, actually). Murray says Wiseman has all the physical tools to be great defender, but will his actual basketball (offensive) skills be taken to the next level (e.g., back to the basket scoring, jumpshot, making the easy/basic passes, etc.) to help Curry and the gang in their playoff window? That is a honest question we have to ask ourselves: Do we want someone (who's being drafted at #2) to eventually be a good player (aka Wiseman)? For #2 pick, Wiseman should show that potential, but even in his early days of playing and 3 collegiate games, he's only demonstrated to be just an athletic freak without substance (Again, hard to judge because lack of footages and playing.). Even for a weak draft, you still do hope and want your player to be good in 2-4 years.

And he mentions Oppi Toppin possibly being the guy to draft because of what he can do NOW. His thin/skinny hips will be an issue regarding lateral quickness to defend, so we have to compensate by double-teaming / help defense.

This one is tough.. Myers and Co. will make that judgment want they take Wiseman in for individual workouts and scrimmages..

Thanks for the recap.

I think Wiseman can step in and right away be about what Javale provided us. To me, that can be useful even next year splitting time at center with Chriss and Looney. Similar thought about Okongwu, who could probably provide us a bit of what Chriss was last year. I'm not sure any other players at #2 I feel confident helping in year one.

Whats great about a Wiseman pick is he also has a really high ceiling. So drafting him might give us one of the only players to help now and later.

I look at it this way...

Best year 1:
1) Wiseman
2) Okongwu
3) Toppin
4) Tillman
5) Bane

Highest potential down the road:
1) Poku
2) Wiseman
3) Edwards
4) Okoro
5) Hampton

[Little Digger]

Hoping we use a 2nd round pick on Obi Wan Kanobi...I watched him play twice last season..no need for a third

[ILOVEIT]

This cuts through it all....this guy from Forbs (beside crazy black eyes) has it down when it comes to assessing everything.

For example, did you all know that if the Warriors use the tax payer MLE it will cost the Warriors 30 Million to use it?

Anyway....take a listen....especially when it comes to who to draft and why.

[url]

Watch on YouTube

[/url]

Good breakdown. I like Patrick Murray's assessment (Right on par with mine, actually). Murray says Wiseman has all the physical tools to be great defender, but will his actual basketball (offensive) skills be taken to the next level (e.g., back to the basket scoring, jumpshot, making the easy/basic passes, etc.) to help Curry and the gang in their playoff window? That is a honest question we have to ask ourselves: Do we want someone (who's being drafted at #2) to eventually be a good player (aka Wiseman)? For #2 pick, Wiseman should show that potential, but even in his early days of playing and 3 collegiate games, he's only demonstrated to be just an athletic freak without substance (Again, hard to judge because lack of footages and playing.). Even for a weak draft, you still do hope and want your player to be good in 2-4 years.

And he mentions Oppi Toppin possibly being the guy to draft because of what he can do NOW. His thin/skinny hips will be an issue regarding lateral quickness to defend, so we have to compensate by double-teaming / help defense.

This one is tough.. Myers and Co. will make that judgment want they take Wiseman in for individual workouts and scrimmages..

Thanks for the recap.

I think Wiseman can step in and right away be about what Javale provided us. To me, that can be useful even next year splitting time at center with Chriss and Looney. Similar thought about Okongwu, who could probably provide us a bit of what Chriss was last year. I'm not sure any other players at #2 I feel confident helping in year one.

Whats great about a Wiseman pick is he also has a really high ceiling. So drafting him might give us one of the only players to help now and later.

I look at it this way...

Best year 1:
1) Wiseman
2) Okongwu
3) Toppin
4) Tillman
5) Bane

Highest potential down the road:
1) Poku
2) Wiseman
3) Edwards
4) Okoro
5) Hampton

If Wiseman could give us what Javal did...then I would take him. That's the dividing line for most of us....how much can a 19 year old who has never really played college offer in year one. I doubt he gives us even what Javal did. There are 90% of centers out of high school (essentially what he is) that have taken years to show they are going to be good or a bust. Remember Kwame Brown and Tyson Chandler....

Anyway...Murray's take is spot on IMO. It's not a question which player will eventually be better....it's "which player will help the Warriors win the best way in the next 1-3 years". AND...btw...there is more evidence to suggest that Topin will be a great player than any one of Ball, Edwards and Wiseman.

[ILOVEIT]

This cuts through it all....this guy from Forbs (beside crazy black eyes) has it down when it comes to assessing everything.

For example, did you all know that if the Warriors use the tax payer MLE it will cost the Warriors 30 Million to use it?

Anyway....take a listen....especially when it comes to who to draft and why.

[url]

Watch on YouTube

[/url]

Good breakdown. I like Patrick Murray's assessment (Right on par with mine, actually). Murray says Wiseman has all the physical tools to be great defender, but will his actual basketball (offensive) skills be taken to the next level (e.g., back to the basket scoring, jumpshot, making the easy/basic passes, etc.) to help Curry and the gang in their playoff window? That is a honest question we have to ask ourselves: Do we want someone (who's being drafted at #2) to eventually be a good player (aka Wiseman)? For #2 pick, Wiseman should show that potential, but even in his early days of playing and 3 collegiate games, he's only demonstrated to be just an athletic freak without substance (Again, hard to judge because lack of footages and playing.). Even for a weak draft, you still do hope and want your player to be good in 2-4 years.

And he mentions Oppi Toppin possibly being the guy to draft because of what he can do NOW. His thin/skinny hips will be an issue regarding lateral quickness to defend, so we have to compensate by double-teaming / help defense.

This one is tough.. Myers and Co. will make that judgment want they take Wiseman in for individual workouts and scrimmages..

Thanks for the recap.

I think Wiseman can step in and right away be about what Javale provided us. To me, that can be useful even next year splitting time at center with Chriss and Looney. Similar thought about Okongwu, who could probably provide us a bit of what Chriss was last year. I'm not sure any other players at #2 I feel confident helping in year one.

Whats great about a Wiseman pick is he also has a really high ceiling. So drafting him might give us one of the only players to help now and later.

I look at it this way...

Best year 1:
1) Wiseman
2) Okongwu
3) Toppin
4) Tillman
5) Bane

Highest potential down the road:
1) Poku
2) Wiseman
3) Edwards
4) Okoro
5) Hampton

If Wiseman could give us what Javal did...then I would take him. That's the dividing line for most of us....how much can a 19 year old who has never really played college offer in year one. I doubt he gives us even what Javal did. There are 90% of centers out of high school (essentially what he is) that have taken years to show they are going to be good or a bust. Remember Kwame Brown and Tyson Chandler....

Anyway...Murray's take is spot on IMO. It's not a question which player will eventually be better....it's "which player will help the Warriors win the best way in the next 1-3 years". AND...btw...there is more evidence to suggest that Topin will be a great player than any one of Ball, Edwards and Wiseman.

[ILOVEIT]

Last one on Toppin....

If you are betting on upside....Toppin has shown some evidence that he might be as good (or better because of range) than Stoudemire.

So your Bob Myers...you can bet on Wiseman with three games of college and hope he's very good in 2-3 years....
or
You can draft a guy that has more range and might be very similar impact to a young Amare.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

The question is simple: Who do we draft to help Curry, Thompson, Green and company NOW? Do they prefer to draft a player who's skillful on the offensive end, or has the physical tools to help them on defense (Better if that player had both)?

I don't think we're in a re-building phase at all, but one could think that getting a few good, young draft pieces to develop would be wise. Because by the time they are 23-24 y/o, for example, Curry Thompson and Green would be in their mid-30s already -- essentially their playoff window is all but closed. And it's time for those young fellas to carry the torch having learned the offensive system and defensive schemes to succeed.

That's why I think Wiseman's physical tools is valuable for what this squad does. He can be a potentially good defender, rebounder, shot-blocker. Only knock is that all his "scoring" is done through lobs, rim-running, and put-backs/second chance points (occasional jumpers) from all the videos I've watched. Which leaves me to believe that it'll take him a bit of time to really develop any kind of reliable, fluid offensive skillset (e.g., face-up game, drop steps, hook shots, spin moves, over-and-under, etc.). That's where we have to also his work ethic and desire to get better (aka his intangibles).

[Mylie10]

I think Wiseman gives you more than Javale did. He will do some similar shot blocking and shot changing like Javale. And of course finishing like Javale.

But I see a better shooter and also better passer in Wiseman year one and for sure many years after. Future All Star.

[Onus]

Deni is 6’9” barefoot which means he’s playing at 6’10”-6’11” as a wing and apparently he’s at 230lbs now. He’s huge for a 3.

[Scoots1994]

I want whoever will have had the best career 20 years from now, we don't even know when the next season starts or how many games or bubble/no bubble, we don't need to be making shortsighted moves just to get a rookie that's slightly better than the other rookies for his first two years.

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[Scoots1994]

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This is HUGE

You know what I am guessing?

The team will bring in Obi Toppin and James Wiseman alot

They are by far the most questions we have and are deeply looking at in my opinion.

I hope Wiseman impresses

No more than 10 total sounds like crap. Teams that have 4 picks must be annoyed by that one.

[northoakland510]

I am still a Wiseman guy. He might be raw, but isn't it the teams job to develop the kid? Send him to Hakeem or Duncan for a month. Even with being raw the kid is 7'1'' put him in the game and let him play.

[Mac1958]

It sure feels like I'm missing something, because this seems pretty straightforward to me.

With this lineup, it seems like a guy (either Wiseman or Okongwu) who can provide length, athleticism, rim-running, alley oop-slamming, defense-playing, rebound-grabbing and shot blocking early on would be a pretty nice freaking fit. I don't care if he averages four points a game at first.

Then maybe leverage the trade exception to fatten the bench a bit.

Am I missing something?

[Little Digger]

Drafting for need = recipe for disaster..lucky for us Nellie was in charge when we picked Steph

Just take the guy you think will be the best NBA player.. then you can always make a trade to balance the roster ( see Monta forBogut)

[northoakland510]

It sure feels like I'm missing something, because this seems pretty straightforward to me.

With this lineup, it seems like a guy (either Wiseman or Okongwu) who can provide length, athleticism, rim-running, alley oop-slamming, defense-playing, rebound-grabbing and shot blocking early on would be a pretty nice freaking fit. I don't care if he averages four points a game at first.

Then maybe leverage the trade exception to fatten the bench a bit.

Am I missing something?

Some people think it will take too much to develop Wiseman. They would prefer more NBA ready players which in the draft are wing players.

[Onus]

It sure feels like I'm missing something, because this seems pretty straightforward to me.

With this lineup, it seems like a guy (either Wiseman or Okongwu) who can provide length, athleticism, rim-running, alley oop-slamming, defense-playing, rebound-grabbing and shot blocking early on would be a pretty nice freaking fit. I don't care if he averages four points a game at first.

Then maybe leverage the trade exception to fatten the bench a bit.

Am I missing something?

Some people think it will take too much to develop Wiseman. They would prefer more NBA ready players which in the draft are wing players.

The thing with wiseman is will he be able to defend in space or will he have to be a drop back big. He looks like a drop back big which limits the type of defense you can play with him in there.