Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[AussieBuck]

Little dudes tend to fall off the cliff because they relied on being blazing quick. That isn't Paul. Stockton is closer to his mould.

[blazza18]

Feel like there could be better reasons to not trade Middleton for Paul than because he’s short.

[DrWood]

Spoiler:

Ok so is this possible and how far off in value is this for each team? Any possible way to fix it?

Bucks out: Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Donte DiVincenzo, IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 prot 1st, 2 IND 2nds
Bucks in: Damian Lillard, Taj Gibson (team option 20-21), Dennis Smith Jr.

Blazers out: Damian Lillard
Blazers in: Khris Middleton, Donte DiVincenzo, NYK 2020 1st (#8), IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 protected 1st

Knicks out: Taj Gibson, Dennis Smith Jr., NYK 2020 1st (#8)
Knicks in: Eric Bledsoe, 2 IND 2nds

It makes us worse and gives up the only young guy in our top 8 players. I don't want Lillard very much, but I can see an argument for him. I can't see an argument for Gibson or Smith.

No way it makes us worse considering we're getting Lillard, he's exactly what they need. However, I don't see any package we can offer, munus GA, that could lillard from Por. Unless of course he forces his way out, which would be tough for him to do right now considering all the trash he just talked about it. At the very least, more has to be added to Por's side on this trade somehow.

Glad to see some spitballing on non CP3 trades which have gotten the attention on here. Surprised no one is kicking around Beal scenarios. I'd say he's the best case scenario in regards to guys who are seemingly available. I know it won't be easy to get but I think you have to try for him first. I'd agree with recent posts that it doesn't make sense to give Middleton for CP3 scenarios, well MIddleton for Beal oness are a bit different. Ideally finding a way to keep both, but if not that could a minor improvement type of trade that makes significant difference due to Beal's ball handling abilities filling our glaring weakness.

you are greatly overestimating his ability to make this team better.

[DrWood]

Sounds like Gallo is going to 'ring chase':

https://sportando.basketball/en/danilo-gallinari-is-playing-for-the-nba-championship-more-important-than-a-contract-yes/

Prepare the MLE for him.

Would he sign for that? He made $20M last year.

[ShootingtheJ]

Feel like there could be better reasons to not trade Middleton for Paul than because he’s short.

There only needs to be one reason, and it's because we can get Paul without trading Middleton.

[blazza18]

Feel like there could be better reasons to not trade Middleton for Paul than because he’s short.

There only needs to be one reason, and it's because we can get Paul without trading Middleton.

I wonder why Presti would want anything we have on the roster for Paul.

[ShootingtheJ]

Feel like there could be better reasons to not trade Middleton for Paul than because he’s short.

There only needs to be one reason, and it's because we can get Paul without trading Middleton.

I wonder why Presti would want anything we have on the roster for Paul.

Who else is going to acquire Paul? His market is limited, and OKC has already committed to e rebuild. They will just want a pick or 2.

[midranger]

Feel like there could be better reasons to not trade Middleton for Paul than because he’s short.

There only needs to be one reason, and it's because we can get Paul without trading Middleton.

I wonder why Presti would want anything we have on the roster for Paul.

I keep wondering this as well. Maybe the best offer OKC gets for a 2nd team all nba player is a poo poo platter of terrible players on shorter deals and the 24th pick, but I doubt it.

Oh I know. Because we’re also sending Bledsoe to NY in a three way for big value. NY wants Bledsoe for some reason despite the fact the last time he was in a rebuilding situation he sent a tweet stating “I don’t want to be here.” Apparently something about the professionalism he’d bring to the franchise.

[Matches Malone]

There only needs to be one reason, and it's because we can get Paul without trading Middleton.

I wonder why Presti would want anything we have on the roster for Paul.

I keep wondering this as well. Maybe the best offer OKC gets for a 2nd team all nba player is a poo poo platter of terrible players on shorter deals and the 24th pick, but I doubt it.

I have a gut feeling the value will fall somewhere in the middle. I've heard people say we need to give up an arm and a leg for the all nba player, but I've also heard OKC needs to attach an asset to Pauls boat anchor contract and old age. At this point I'm more inclined to believe Presti will swindle whoever he trades with lol.

[blazza18]

There only needs to be one reason, and it's because we can get Paul without trading Middleton.

I wonder why Presti would want anything we have on the roster for Paul.

Who else is going to acquire Paul? His market is limited, and OKC has already committed to e rebuild. They will just want a pick or 2.

We still have to match salary somehow and unless Horst is some unbelievable negotiator and can swing in a third team to offer real assets Presti might like I just don’t see a way we get it done.

[raferfenix]

I wonder why Presti would want anything we have on the roster for Paul.

I keep wondering this as well. Maybe the best offer OKC gets for a 2nd team all nba player is a poo poo platter of terrible players on shorter deals and the 24th pick, but I doubt it.

Oh I know. Because we’re also sending Bledsoe to NY in a three way for big value. NY wants Bledsoe for some reason despite the fact the last time he was in a rebuilding situation he sent a tweet stating “I don’t want to be here.” Apparently something about the professionalism he’d bring to the franchise.

Houston did have to drop serious draft assets to swap Paul for Westbrook just last year.

Now CP3 had a great season since and there is a year less left on his deal. But all the same reasons why only a limited number of teams would be interested in an aging $40 million a year PG with injury and attitude concerns remain.

Legitimate question: are the Sixers offering more than the Bucks? The Knicks? Who else?

It only takes one.

If Doc Rivers wants Paul back that could be plenty to drive a bidding war between trash GM's and desperate franchises.

It's not like the Knicks are tanking either with Thibs' at the helm. If he wants Paul it could happen.

Or Thibs might want Bledsoe whose age and contract corresponds better with a team whose goal is to start making the playoffs consistently.

Basically, if there is not a serious bidding war, it is possible that the Thunder are happy to liquidate as much of Paul's salary as possible and take the draft assets they got from Houston last year (and a few more picks for their savvy move to increase CP3's value since) to the bank.

[Baddy Chuck]

I don't think Paul pulls all that much.

[ShootingtheJ]

I wonder why Presti would want anything we have on the roster for Paul.

I keep wondering this as well. Maybe the best offer OKC gets for a 2nd team all nba player is a poo poo platter of terrible players on shorter deals and the 24th pick, but I doubt it.

Oh I know. Because we’re also sending Bledsoe to NY in a three way for big value. NY wants Bledsoe for some reason despite the fact the last time he was in a rebuilding situation he sent a tweet stating “I don’t want to be here.” Apparently something about the professionalism he’d bring to the franchise.

Houston did have to drop serious draft assets to swap Paul for Westbrook just last year.

Now CP3 had a great season since and there is a year less left on his deal. But all the same reasons why only a limited number of teams would be interested in an aging $40 million a year PG with injury and attitude concerns remain.

Legitimate question: are the Sixers offering more than the Bucks? The Knicks? Who else?

It only takes one.

If Doc Rivers wants Paul back that could be plenty to drive a bidding war between trash GM's and desperate franchises.

It's not like the Knicks are tanking either with Thibs' at the helm. If he wants Paul it could happen.

Or Thibs might want Bledsoe whose age and contract corresponds better with a team whose goal is to start making the playoffs consistently.

Basically, if there is not a serious bidding war, it is possible that the Thunder are happy to liquidate as much of Paul's salary as possible and take the draft assets they got from Houston last year (and a few more picks for their savvy move to increase CP3's value since) to the bank.

Try doing a Philly trade for Paul that doesn't include Horford. It just doesn't work. The only competition we'd have is if the Clippers get involved.

[midranger]

You could pretty easily do something around Embiid for Paul and picks. Or Embiid/Horford for Paul/Steven adams

[crkone]

It's a lot of money for an aging player in a time of financial uncertainty.

[DingleJerry]

Spoiler:

It makes us worse and gives up the only young guy in our top 8 players. I don't want Lillard very much, but I can see an argument for him. I can't see an argument for Gibson or Smith.

No way it makes us worse considering we're getting Lillard, he's exactly what they need. However, I don't see any package we can offer, munus GA, that could lillard from Por. Unless of course he forces his way out, which would be tough for him to do right now considering all the trash he just talked about it. At the very least, more has to be added to Por's side on this trade somehow.

Glad to see some spitballing on non CP3 trades which have gotten the attention on here. Surprised no one is kicking around Beal scenarios. I'd say he's the best case scenario in regards to guys who are seemingly available. I know it won't be easy to get but I think you have to try for him first. I'd agree with recent posts that it doesn't make sense to give Middleton for CP3 scenarios, well MIddleton for Beal oness are a bit different. Ideally finding a way to keep both, but if not that could a minor improvement type of trade that makes significant difference due to Beal's ball handling abilities filling our glaring weakness.

you are greatly overestimating his ability to make this team better.

You are greatly underrating Lillard and having a gravitational shooter like that to open up everything for Giannis.

You'd have a top 5 player paired with a top 10 player who compliment each other perfectly, and both in their primes. It's kinda the formula for a title.

I mean we're going nuts here about how much Paul would help, Lillard is way way better and not 35 years old.

[midranger]

It's a lot of money for an aging player in a time of financial uncertainty.

If you manage a hedge fund, this year has been a gold mine. Like an actual money Tree.

[Baddy Chuck]

You could pretty easily do something around Embiid for Paul and picks. Or Embiid/Horford for Paul/Steven adams

This seems like a monumentally stupid course for Philly.

[crkone]

It's a lot of money for an aging player in a time of financial uncertainty.

If you manage a hedge fund, this year has been a gold mine. Like an actual money Tree.

If you own a restaurant chain, you're cleaning the grease traps to save that $8000 a year.

[skones]

If you're talking yourself into Middleton for a Paul deal, you're lost, and you're completely missing the point.

"I'd take Paul for two years over Midds for four!"

Yeah, well, unless he takes a dip, Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, and he's staring down the barrel of unrestricted free agency and you're sitting there with an empty cupboard. You see Giannis, moving forward we can offer Donte Divincenzo as a running mate.

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