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2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#681 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 am

Want some perspective on Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett? How would conservatives feel if she was a Democrat and a Muslim instead?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/opinion/amy-coney-barrett-religion.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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If Amy Coney Barrett Were Muslim
It’s not hard to imagine how conservatives would smear her religious beliefs.

By Wajahat Ali
Contributing Opinion Writer
Oct. 13, 2020, 5:00 a.m. ET

Amy Coney Barrett, President Trump’s nominee for the Supreme Court, has faced immense scrutiny of her religious beliefs, and we need to be vigilant against any religious bias or discrimination.

But I marvel at the hypocrisy of Republicans who are expressing shock and outrage over this, after the way the right has treated Muslims. President Trump responded to the alarm over Judge Barrett’s nomination by accusing Democrats of bias against Catholics and “basically fighting a major religion in our country.” This is rich from the man who is running against Joe Biden, a Catholic; who promoted a Muslim ban; and who told America, “I think Islam hates us.”

On Monday, the first day of the Senate hearings on Judge Barrett’s nomination, Josh Hawley of Missouri accused his Democratic colleagues on the Judiciary Committee of attacking Judge Barrett for being “too Catholic to be on the bench.” He is apparently living in the Twilight Zone, because this didn’t actually happen. Mr. Biden went out of his way to say Judge Barrett’s faith shouldn’t be considered a factor in her hearing.

I can’t help wondering: How would Republicans behave if Judge Barrett were a Democrat whose strongly held religious beliefs came from Islam instead of Catholicism?

We all know how it would go.

Republicans would demand she prove that she was not “working with our enemies.” That’s what Glenn Beck, the conservative radio host and conspiracy theorist, called for when Keith Ellison was elected as the first Muslim to Congress.

They’d probably use her faith to accuse her of hoping to create a “Shariah state” through judicial activism. That what conservative bloggers did in 2011 when Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey nominated Sohail Mohammed, a Muslim originally from India, for a seat on the Superior Court of Passaic County.

If Judge Barrett wore a hijab, Jeanine Pirro, the Fox News host, would question whether her religious beliefs were in opposition to the Constitution. That’s the ugly accusation Ms. Pirro levied against Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota in 2019.

The scrutiny of Judge Barrett’ connections to the People of Praise religious community — which opposes abortion, gay rights and marriage equality, and which believes that men are leaders of their families — has been intense. It’s fair to debate whether that kind of scrutiny is reasonable, and concerns that Judge Barrett has faced bias because of her religious beliefs are understandable.

What is clear, though, is that if a little-known Muslim group made headlines in connection with the nomination of a justice, Republicans wouldn’t have the same concerns about religious bigotry.

For example, former People of Praise members told The Associated Press that women in the group are expected to obey their husbands and provide sex on demand (the group said in a recent statement that “husbands should not be domineering nor should wives be servile”). If Judge Barrett were Muslim, these former members would probably be invited to appear on “Fox & Friends” to give voice to their concerns about the judge’s regressive stances.

Judge Barrett co-wrote a 1998 law review article about the moral and legal “bind” that death penalty cases might present Catholic judges. What if she had been Muslim and had written about Muslim judges instead? Would Ben Carson call her “schizophrenic?” In 2016, that’s how he described Muslims who embrace American values like democracy and the separation of church and state.

Earlier, in 2015, Mr. Carson wrote in a Facebook post, “I could never support a candidate for president of the United States that was Muslim and had not renounced the central tenant of Islam: Shariah law.”

That happens to be the same year Judge Barrett signed an open letter to Catholic bishops saying, “We give witness that the church’s teachings — on the dignity of the human person and the value of human life from conception to natural death; on the meaning of human sexuality, the significance of sexual difference and the complementarity of men and women; on openness to life and the gift of motherhood; and on marriage and family founded on the indissoluble commitment of a man and a woman — provide a sure guide to the Christian life, promote women’s flourishing, and serve to protect the poor and most vulnerable among us.”

If she were Muslim and had made these statements, Republicans would no doubt smear her as a woman oppressed by a barbaric Islamic culture that promotes misogyny.

It’s easy to imagine all of this, because it all comes from the playbook that has been used to attack Muslim elected officials, many of whom are in fact archetypes of moderation and secularism compared with Judge Barrett.

I am not critical of Judge Barrett’s nomination because of her Catholicism. I am deeply sensitive to religious bigotry and stereotypes. I’m a practicing Muslim living through an administration that campaigned for a Muslim ban. My community has endured two decades of hazing after the Sept. 11 attacks, and our loyalty is still deemed suspect. I would never wish that kind of judgment on a person of another faith.

Like most Americans, I am worried that Judge Barrett will use her seat to advance an extreme agenda that will be detrimental to the interests of a majority of people in this country. We fear that, if confirmed, she’ll help the religious right drag equal rights and progress back 50 years.

One thing is certain: If the Notre Dame law professor and darling of the religious right were Muslim, she would have had a much harder time becoming a judge, let alone a Supreme Court justice.

Wajahat Ali is a playwright, a lawyer and a contributing opinion writer.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#682 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:48 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Want some perspective on Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett? How would conservatives feel if she was a Democrat and a Muslim instead?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/opinion/amy-coney-barrett-religion.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Spoiler:
Opinion
If Amy Coney Barrett Were Muslim
It’s not hard to imagine how conservatives would smear her religious beliefs.

By Wajahat Ali
Contributing Opinion Writer
Oct. 13, 2020, 5:00 a.m. ET

Amy Coney Barrett, President Trump’s nominee for the Supreme Court, has faced immense scrutiny of her religious beliefs, and we need to be vigilant against any religious bias or discrimination.

But I marvel at the hypocrisy of Republicans who are expressing shock and outrage over this, after the way the right has treated Muslims. President Trump responded to the alarm over Judge Barrett’s nomination by accusing Democrats of bias against Catholics and “basically fighting a major religion in our country.” This is rich from the man who is running against Joe Biden, a Catholic; who promoted a Muslim ban; and who told America, “I think Islam hates us.”

On Monday, the first day of the Senate hearings on Judge Barrett’s nomination, Josh Hawley of Missouri accused his Democratic colleagues on the Judiciary Committee of attacking Judge Barrett for being “too Catholic to be on the bench.” He is apparently living in the Twilight Zone, because this didn’t actually happen. Mr. Biden went out of his way to say Judge Barrett’s faith shouldn’t be considered a factor in her hearing.

I can’t help wondering: How would Republicans behave if Judge Barrett were a Democrat whose strongly held religious beliefs came from Islam instead of Catholicism?

We all know how it would go.

Republicans would demand she prove that she was not “working with our enemies.” That’s what Glenn Beck, the conservative radio host and conspiracy theorist, called for when Keith Ellison was elected as the first Muslim to Congress.

They’d probably use her faith to accuse her of hoping to create a “Shariah state” through judicial activism. That what conservative bloggers did in 2011 when Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey nominated Sohail Mohammed, a Muslim originally from India, for a seat on the Superior Court of Passaic County.

If Judge Barrett wore a hijab, Jeanine Pirro, the Fox News host, would question whether her religious beliefs were in opposition to the Constitution. That’s the ugly accusation Ms. Pirro levied against Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota in 2019.

The scrutiny of Judge Barrett’ connections to the People of Praise religious community — which opposes abortion, gay rights and marriage equality, and which believes that men are leaders of their families — has been intense. It’s fair to debate whether that kind of scrutiny is reasonable, and concerns that Judge Barrett has faced bias because of her religious beliefs are understandable.

What is clear, though, is that if a little-known Muslim group made headlines in connection with the nomination of a justice, Republicans wouldn’t have the same concerns about religious bigotry.

For example, former People of Praise members told The Associated Press that women in the group are expected to obey their husbands and provide sex on demand (the group said in a recent statement that “husbands should not be domineering nor should wives be servile”). If Judge Barrett were Muslim, these former members would probably be invited to appear on “Fox & Friends” to give voice to their concerns about the judge’s regressive stances.

Judge Barrett co-wrote a 1998 law review article about the moral and legal “bind” that death penalty cases might present Catholic judges. What if she had been Muslim and had written about Muslim judges instead? Would Ben Carson call her “schizophrenic?” In 2016, that’s how he described Muslims who embrace American values like democracy and the separation of church and state.

Earlier, in 2015, Mr. Carson wrote in a Facebook post, “I could never support a candidate for president of the United States that was Muslim and had not renounced the central tenant of Islam: Shariah law.”

That happens to be the same year Judge Barrett signed an open letter to Catholic bishops saying, “We give witness that the church’s teachings — on the dignity of the human person and the value of human life from conception to natural death; on the meaning of human sexuality, the significance of sexual difference and the complementarity of men and women; on openness to life and the gift of motherhood; and on marriage and family founded on the indissoluble commitment of a man and a woman — provide a sure guide to the Christian life, promote women’s flourishing, and serve to protect the poor and most vulnerable among us.”

If she were Muslim and had made these statements, Republicans would no doubt smear her as a woman oppressed by a barbaric Islamic culture that promotes misogyny.

It’s easy to imagine all of this, because it all comes from the playbook that has been used to attack Muslim elected officials, many of whom are in fact archetypes of moderation and secularism compared with Judge Barrett.

I am not critical of Judge Barrett’s nomination because of her Catholicism. I am deeply sensitive to religious bigotry and stereotypes. I’m a practicing Muslim living through an administration that campaigned for a Muslim ban. My community has endured two decades of hazing after the Sept. 11 attacks, and our loyalty is still deemed suspect. I would never wish that kind of judgment on a person of another faith.

Like most Americans, I am worried that Judge Barrett will use her seat to advance an extreme agenda that will be detrimental to the interests of a majority of people in this country. We fear that, if confirmed, she’ll help the religious right drag equal rights and progress back 50 years.

One thing is certain: If the Notre Dame law professor and darling of the religious right were Muslim, she would have had a much harder time becoming a judge, let alone a Supreme Court justice.

Wajahat Ali is a playwright, a lawyer and a contributing opinion writer.

Your article uses a.Republican Governor nominating a Muslim for a judicial appointment and twists it into some anti-muslim bias? Bloggers are not lawmakers who cares what they say.

Now if somebody's rulings had religion supplanting the constitution then I would have a problem. Like if Amy Coney Barrett started saying "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" I might tune into the proceedings for the entertainment but I would not want her as a SCJ.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#683 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:01 pm

Oscirus wrote:
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Hyperpartisan he says as he posts an oped from the same mike lee who said this aint a democracy.

Democrats were blocking so hard, they gave up the supreme court not too far off from an election where it was a pretty safe bet that they'd win, but sure play the victim. Thats all yall are good for anyway.

Was anything wrong with the facts Mike Lee presented? His opinion of course can be argued but was there anything factually incorrect? Maybe he did get something wrong, I'm willing to listen. If the Obama confirmations were on pace with the Bush ones where exactly does Reid get to claim obstruction and do away with the filibuster? Can you answer that?
As Ive said before, facts without context are cheats. Obama had a dem majority for his first term, hell had a filibuster proof majority for half of it, so comparing the numbers and not to take into account that alot of those happened after the filibuster was killed while at the same time acting like this was due to the republicans is to state disingenuous facts.

Merrick garland is proof that they were obstructionists, the fact that they were sitting on so many appointments in Obamas second term that I believe that Trump set a record for appointments. Hell mcconnells on record as saying that blocking the supreme court pick was his greatest accomplishment. Luckily for your side, you'll likely have nothing to worry about as long as that west virginian bitch remains on the senate, but it is fun to watch yall sweat even if it is only for a few short months.


https://www.rollcall.com/2019/05/08/trumps-federal-judge-pace-matches-recent-presidents-but-with-a-big-twist/

Democrats Barack Obama and Carter had the slowest starts, putting 60 jurists on the bench in their first two years with their party in control of the chamber.
  

So no, that wasn't a factor. Nice try though made me look.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#684 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:21 pm

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/
Trump Nominated for His 4th Nobel Peace Prize — This Time For His Work in Ending the Era of Endless Wars

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-nobel-peace-prize-europe-diplomatic

Laura Huhtasaari, an MEP and a member of the right-wing Finns Party, wrote to the Nobel Committee to nominate Trump for the 2021 prize “in recognition of his endeavors to end the era of endless wars, construct peace by encouraging conflicting parties for dialogue and negotiations, as well as underpin internal cohesion and stability of his country."



President Trump has done a wonderful job promoting peace. I'm thankful for it. This was another big reason why Republican voters rejected Bush/Rubio and the rest of the establishment neocon loons.

Has anyone ever been nominated four times before?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#685 » by CharlesOakley » Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:13 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
President Trump has done a wonderful job promoting peace. I'm thankful for it. This was another big reason why Republican voters rejected Bush/Rubio and the rest of the establishment neocon loons.

Has anyone ever been nominated four times before?


“Any person or organization can be nominated by anyone eligible to nominate,” the committee states. The Norwegian Nobel Committee has no input into submissions, though it decides who actually wins the prize. “To simply be nominated is therefore not an endorsement or extended honour to imply affiliation with the Nobel Peace Prize or its related institutions,” the committee states.

Any one of thousands of people can nominate someone for the award. Trump might be working to end wars abroad, but he is trying to start one here.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#686 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:58 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
President Trump has done a wonderful job promoting peace. I'm thankful for it. This was another big reason why Republican voters rejected Bush/Rubio and the rest of the establishment neocon loons.

Has anyone ever been nominated four times before?


“Any person or organization can be nominated by anyone eligible to nominate,” the committee states. The Norwegian Nobel Committee has no input into submissions, though it decides who actually wins the prize. “To simply be nominated is therefore not an endorsement or extended honour to imply affiliation with the Nobel Peace Prize or its related institutions,” the committee states.

Any one of thousands of people can nominate someone for the award. Trump might be working to end wars abroad, but he is trying to start one here.

Nah, that's pure projection. The left is busy trying their best to start one in a whole bunch of cities.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#687 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:23 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
President Trump has done a wonderful job promoting peace. I'm thankful for it. This was another big reason why Republican voters rejected Bush/Rubio and the rest of the establishment neocon loons.

Has anyone ever been nominated four times before?


“Any person or organization can be nominated by anyone eligible to nominate,” the committee states. The Norwegian Nobel Committee has no input into submissions, though it decides who actually wins the prize. “To simply be nominated is therefore not an endorsement or extended honour to imply affiliation with the Nobel Peace Prize or its related institutions,” the committee states.

Any one of thousands of people can nominate someone for the award. Trump might be working to end wars abroad, but he is trying to start one here.

Nah, that's pure projection. The left is busy trying their best to start one in a whole bunch of cities.

Actually people are out on the streets because they feel their government is doing nothing to improve a fundamentally flawed situation involving a most basic societal structure.

As always when people take to the streets in protests against status quo in their (second or third world) countries, they have previously observed how they're being left alone with their problems while the nation's leader is busy with his own usually personal agenda. That's when people protest. These people aren't out there because they want more for themselves, they want justice.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#688 » by Fat Kat » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:28 pm

About a 90 minute wait here in Texas

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#689 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:49 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:
“Any person or organization can be nominated by anyone eligible to nominate,” the committee states. The Norwegian Nobel Committee has no input into submissions, though it decides who actually wins the prize. “To simply be nominated is therefore not an endorsement or extended honour to imply affiliation with the Nobel Peace Prize or its related institutions,” the committee states.

Any one of thousands of people can nominate someone for the award. Trump might be working to end wars abroad, but he is trying to start one here.

Nah, that's pure projection. The left is busy trying their best to start one in a whole bunch of cities.

Actually people are out on the streets because they feel their government is doing nothing to improve a fundamentally flawed situation involving a most basic societal structure.

As always when people take to the streets in protests against status quo in their (second or third world) countries, they have previously observed how they're being left alone with their problems while the nation's leader is busy with his own usually personal agenda. That's when people protest. These people aren't out there because they want more for themselves, they want justice.

Police are a local issue not a national one. If people have a problem with the way their communities are being policed they need to get in the face of their local leaders.

They are the ones with the control and overwhelmingly we see the communities with the most issues with how they are being policed are Democratic ones. So the Democrats need to fix their own problems and stop blaming Republicans for something they have no control over.

If you are also talking about economic issues no one in our history has been better for Black and Hispanic employment than Trump. And his new economic plan for revitalizing through incentivizing investment in these communities will help even more.

Things like this help too:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/donald-trump-hbcu-conference/index.html

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump announced Tuesday that his administration would lift a ban on federal funding for faith-based Historically Black Colleges and Universities, hailing his administration's work advancing HBCUs during a speech at a conference in Washington.
"This week our Department of Justice has published an opinion declaring such discriminatory restrictions as unconstitutional. It's a big step," Trump said at the conference, which included HBCU leaders from around the country. "And from now on faith-based HBCUs will enjoy equal access to federal support."
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#691 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:02 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Nah, that's pure projection. The left is busy trying their best to start one in a whole bunch of cities.

Actually people are out on the streets because they feel their government is doing nothing to improve a fundamentally flawed situation involving a most basic societal structure.

As always when people take to the streets in protests against status quo in their (second or third world) countries, they have previously observed how they're being left alone with their problems while the nation's leader is busy with his own usually personal agenda. That's when people protest. These people aren't out there because they want more for themselves, they want justice.

Police are a local issue not a national one. If people have a problem with the way their communities are being policed they need to get in the face of their local leaders.

They are the ones with the control and overwhelmingly we see the communities with the most issues with how they are being policed are Democratic ones. So the Democrats need to fix their own problems and stop blaming Republicans for something they have no control over.

If you are also talking about economic issues no one in our history has been better for Black and Hispanic employment than Trump. And his new economic plan for revitalizing through incentivizing investment in these communities will help even more.

Things like this help too:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/donald-trump-hbcu-conference/index.html

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump announced Tuesday that his administration would lift a ban on federal funding for faith-based Historically Black Colleges and Universities, hailing his administration's work advancing HBCUs during a speech at a conference in Washington.
"This week our Department of Justice has published an opinion declaring such discriminatory restrictions as unconstitutional. It's a big step," Trump said at the conference, which included HBCU leaders from around the country. "And from now on faith-based HBCUs will enjoy equal access to federal support."

BTW, one of the things Trump campaigned on in 2016 was improving the lives of Black people who have been left behind. Everyone knows something needs to be done. Everyone I campaigned with and talked to as I walked door to door hoped and desired for that to happen.

You have more allies than you think for some really important things. Calling people nasty names that desire good outcomes for you isn't productive.

Education and economic opportunity. Those are two things conservatives can get behind.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#692 » by robillionaire » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:38 pm

he piggybacked off the momentum of the obama economy and made that his biggest accomplishment now it is in shambles. this is his big economic accomplishment, taking credit for something he didn't do and then destroying it with incompetence. the virus disproportionately impacted black people and we are back to 2010 levels basically in a depression. wow he really improved so many lives. herman cain is doing great. he's still touring around the country with an active case of the virus spreading it around Florida basically trying to be Jim Jones

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#693 » by Pointgod » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:40 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
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In this outdoor event you can hear Trump supporters drowning out the outdrawn for his own rally Biden's speech with chants of four more years.

Read on Twitter



And as I noted earlier, police in Miami said there were 30,000 vehicles in the pro Trump car rally organized by Latinos and I read Biden had 15 for his Miami car rally. That 15 was unconfirmed by police however so there's still some hope that number is at least somewhat incorrect.


Yes the overwhelming force of *checks notes* dozens of Trump supporters. You’re not really reinforcing your point here.

Huh, really? Are you sure? It was a BIDEN rally and a couple of dozen Trump Supporters were able to drown them out.

Meanwhile, THIRTY **** THOUSAND! vehicles were reported by Miami PD to have been there for a Trump rally. Which happened to be organized by Latinos, a desparately needed demographic for any hope at all for a Florida Democratic win.

What are your feelings vis a vis voter enthusiasm and the 30K vehicles that showed up for a Latinos for Trump car rally? Anything comparable for Biden?


Crowd size doesn’t actually mean anything. Trump had large crowds in 2016 and he BARELY won by under 100000 votes across three states because millions of people who voted for Obama stayed home. That’s a fact.

What’s also a fact is that early voting has started and Democrats are outvoting Republicans in record numbers. Again the crowds aren’t really indicative of anything considering that Biden’s team is being responsible by having smaller socially distanced campaign events while Trump continues to irresponsibly have super spreader events despite having covid himself. The amount of idiocy and disregard for human life shows the difference between the two candidates.

Another difference between the two is that Trump has built a cult around him while the Democratic voters are based on a coalition of movements.

March for our lives: 1-2 million people across the country
Women’s march: 3-5 million people across the country
BLM marches: 15-26 million people across the country

All things Trump stands opposed to. If these people are as energized to vote as they are to show up for protests Republicans should be worried.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#694 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:43 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:
Read on Twitter


Go to the tweet, click on the image and scroll through it to real the full quote. Chomsky is saying exactly what I was saying after Biden took a dominant lead in the primaries, but if you look at the Twitter comments it is still chock full of leftist snowflakes.


Haha, you cited Chomsky. Now, I have you in my clutches!!! :lol:

Chomsky's said that Trump is worse than Hitler.


That's the thing buddy, I've never said I disagree with most of the things that leftists want. But I really disagree with a lot of their messaging and strategic choices, hence our earlier dust ups. But Chomsky is nothing new to me. I was just glad to see him dropping some basic advice to the people who need to hear it most. I did not know about the Hitler comment, but I'll look for it, because I'd like to see how he frames that.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#695 » by CharlesOakley » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:44 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:BTW, one of the things Trump campaigned on in 2016 was improving the lives of Black people who have been left behind. Everyone knows something needs to be done. Everyone I campaigned with and talked to as I walked door to door hoped and desired for that to happen.

You have more allies than you think for some really important things. Calling people nasty names that desire good outcomes for you isn't productive.

Education and economic opportunity. Those are two things conservatives can get behind.


Please. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

Economy:
- blacks make up 13% of households in America but only receive 5% of the benefits from Trump's tax (almost as if it was by design).

Education:
- Trump rolled back guidance on protecting black students from being pushed more severely (which they statistically are)
- DeVos is blocking regulations that would prevent channeling disproportionate numbers of minority children into special education (which is currently happening)

If you also consider Trump's rescinding and weakening criminal justice reform, it's clear Trump is at war with brown people and that he belongs to the correct party.

Starting in the 1980s the GOP employed an aggressive gerrymandering strategy that has cost 100s of millions of dollars to employ. Republican strategists working with the highest level of the national party sought to exploit the creation of “majority-minority” seats as part of a strategy to both pack black voters into a limited number of seats and equate Democrats and minorities in the minds of white voters, especially across the South.

This is the modern Southern strategy. White moderate Democrats were replaced by a small number of progressive minorities and a larger number of white conservative Republicans. We are now 40 years down the road, the GOP is making a last desperate grasp at the judiciary branch before even cheating won't be enough. You are not an ally.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#696 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:45 pm

Pointgod wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
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Yes the overwhelming force of *checks notes* dozens of Trump supporters. You’re not really reinforcing your point here.

Huh, really? Are you sure? It was a BIDEN rally and a couple of dozen Trump Supporters were able to drown them out.

Meanwhile, THIRTY **** THOUSAND! vehicles were reported by Miami PD to have been there for a Trump rally. Which happened to be organized by Latinos, a desparately needed demographic for any hope at all for a Florida Democratic win.

What are your feelings vis a vis voter enthusiasm and the 30K vehicles that showed up for a Latinos for Trump car rally? Anything comparable for Biden?


Crowd size doesn’t actually mean anything. Trump had large crowds in 2016 and he BARELY won by under 100000 votes across three states because millions of people who voted for Obama stayed home. That’s a fact.

What’s also a fact is that early voting has started and Democrats are outvoting Republicans in record numbers. Again the crowds aren’t really indicative of anything considering that Biden’s team is being responsible by having smaller socially distanced campaign events while Trump continues to irresponsibly have super spreader events despite having covid himself. The amount of idiocy and disregard for human life shows the difference between the two candidates.

Another difference between the two is that Trump has built a cult around him while the Democratic voters are based on a coalition of movements.

March for our lives: 1-2 million people across the country
Women’s march: 3-5 million people across the country
BLM marches: 15-26 million people across the country

All things Trump stands opposed to. If these people are as energized to vote as they are to show up for protests Republicans should be worried.

Bottom line:

Trump is ahead in the battleground states of where he was in 2016 when he won them.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-top-battleground-states-2020-vs-2016/#!
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#697 » by Pointgod » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:50 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Read on Twitter

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This is why Democrats shouldn’t believe a single Republican is unbeatable.

Look is this ****. **** McConnell laughing like empower Palpatine at 200000 dead Americans. Lincoln Project needs to get to work.

Read on Twitter


And he completely gets owned on pharmaceutical companies having him in their pocket.

Read on Twitter


Just like Lindsay Graham, once you get these guys out of their Fox News and right wing bubble they’re exposed for old, weak, pathetic slime balls that they are. The only reason they stay so long is that they’re never challenged.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#698 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:50 pm

Feinstein vs. Barrett

What happens when doddering old fool tries to play gotcha with the smartest person in the room.

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/10/13/the-barrett-hearing-questions-and-answers/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

9:25 – Barrett was just asked about recusal from the ACA case. She correctly noted that the case is on the narrow issue of severability. She said she would look at Section 455 and she declined to answer the question citing Ginsburg.  There is no reason for her to recuse herself in my view.

9:32 – Feinstein went straight to abortion. She noted that Ginsburg stated that in her confirmation hearing that the Constitution supports abortion. That is a good set up for the question since it negates the impact of the “Ginsburg Rule.”  Feinstein references Casey and Scalia’s dissent that Roe should be overruled.  Barrett pivoted nicely by citing Kagan rather than Ginsburg. .Kagan refused to answer the same question saying that she would not give “a thumbs up or thumbs down” on abortion questions. The Democrats supported her in refusing to answer the questions.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#699 » by GONYK » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:57 pm

Comparing 2016 to 2020 is apples and oranges.
-There are way less undecided voters
- Biden is over 50% nationally
- There is no major third party candidate
- Polling weights for education
- Most importantly, millions of people have already voted
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#700 » by Pointgod » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:05 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Huh, really? Are you sure? It was a BIDEN rally and a couple of dozen Trump Supporters were able to drown them out.

Meanwhile, THIRTY **** THOUSAND! vehicles were reported by Miami PD to have been there for a Trump rally. Which happened to be organized by Latinos, a desparately needed demographic for any hope at all for a Florida Democratic win.

What are your feelings vis a vis voter enthusiasm and the 30K vehicles that showed up for a Latinos for Trump car rally? Anything comparable for Biden?


Crowd size doesn’t actually mean anything. Trump had large crowds in 2016 and he BARELY won by under 100000 votes across three states because millions of people who voted for Obama stayed home. That’s a fact.

What’s also a fact is that early voting has started and Democrats are outvoting Republicans in record numbers. Again the crowds aren’t really indicative of anything considering that Biden’s team is being responsible by having smaller socially distanced campaign events while Trump continues to irresponsibly have super spreader events despite having covid himself. The amount of idiocy and disregard for human life shows the difference between the two candidates.

Another difference between the two is that Trump has built a cult around him while the Democratic voters are based on a coalition of movements.

March for our lives: 1-2 million people across the country
Women’s march: 3-5 million people across the country
BLM marches: 15-26 million people across the country

All things Trump stands opposed to. If these people are as energized to vote as they are to show up for protests Republicans should be worried.

Bottom line:

Trump is ahead in the battleground states of where he was in 2016 when he won them.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-top-battleground-states-2020-vs-2016/#!


Wait thought you can’t trust the polls and they’re fake?

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