NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
A center being a secondary playmaker is the advantage, it makes him unique and hard to gameplan for. If Mitch had flashes of being a passer like that I'd be more inclined to stand down on my tirades against him, but he hasn't shown that, he's just a rim roller.
Bam is closer to Draymond than he is any standard rim runner, he creates offense for others.
Sooooo, the moral is we should start Randle and ditch Mitch? I've been seeing this distaste for Mitch every since Bam and Miami started rising. I wonder how I should now feel that Javele McGee just beat Bam.
I know thats not the context, but just create the context. Knicks always wanna be reactionary. Bam did well so now that must mean I gotta find a new Bam. Before Bam it was 1in-4out. Am I already behind the times on that? So now Mitch sucks because of Bam? People also gotta understand that everything is relative to everything else. You drop Mitch on the Celtics with a half yr for chemistry and we would've had a Lakers/Celtics finals and maybe Mitch **** on Bam the whole series. That might've been the case even if he doesn't start. I don't think people realize how mitch of a garauntee he is to score by just throwing the ball anywhere near his airspace and I'll put Mitchs defense up against anybody. He plays on a **** team, that'll be further **** trying to get cute with thier money. Wait till the moments right, be fair yet not suckers and pay the talent you've drafted and developed. For chrissakes, once since 1990 can we just identify good talent and keep them past rookie contracts.
We'll hold firm and allow ourselves to think we're so savvy and then sign your THJs and Randles anyway. So just pay your talent.
So, you come away from this thread thinking I want Randle at center?
And ontop of that, you think Mitch would have been the answer to the Heat's zone? You put Mitch on the Celtics and the zone works just the same because he can't shoot, pass or attack the middle of a zone. He would be in the dunkers spot, clogging up the lane for any potential drives by his teammates. The Heat's zone broke early against the Lakers because AD & LeBron could get in the heart of it, but they didn't throw many if any lobs that I can remember to AD or Dwight, because the Heat are quick enough to cover that up.
The main point is he isn't even half the player Bam is on offense, and Bam crippled his teams offense in the first half of that game, we all saw it. I don't think in regular season terms, I'm thinking about how a team with a rim roller will play in the playoffs,
and if that rim roller is making too much money it will hurt us against teams that have two way, offensive centers or a smallball lineup that can shoot and rebound. There are a few of those players in our conference.
I think Mitch does fine against the small ball rebounding lineup situation cuz don't forget he covers so much ground. You've seen him contest 3s and shots from everywhere. In this regard I think he's different from your typical rim runner like DeAndre or a Tyson Chandler but to the first example I feel you. In fact I don't even have to wait for the playoffs cuz I can identify that as a weakness right now. Mitch plays great overall defense but as we speak the one classification of offensive player he has trouble with are Cs who are inclined to score in the post. Even a guy like Enes Kanter would give it to him down low. Now fortunately those types have deficiencies on the other end which makes them few and far between. I've seen guys who otherwise might've been 20&10 stars of the 90x who can't even play because they are glued to paint scoring. In fact more teams roll with other rim runners, or traditional PFs who now play C. The unfortunate thing is the vremedy for Mitch in trying to better defend scorers in the paint is to himself become stronger, which may improve his offense a bit from the baby hook perspective but then again, now he ain't chasing wings on the perimeter like he does now.
But in any case, I think what's ignored in this case including Bam is the 10-18fter. I think teams have spent so much energy eradicating this shot from our memories that even in Bams case..."its not a dunk or a 3 so I guess you'll get nothing". I don't think one should call a play for a midrange shot but even if it were a 3, teams aren't calling plays for big men to shoot 3s either. Its a bailout for the driver. And everybody got so bent out of shape over Mitchs 3pt instagram shots...
-why? Why get pissed at any attempts by him to increase his range. People took it as him not working hard and goofing off. So what? Goof off, try things.
-I enjoyed it not cuz I expect him to look like KP but rather that if he's even ok from there then with coaching how good could he be if that shot were a 15 footer. I still want and believe Mitch can be good at what he good at. But now when RJ drives he has the option to dump it off and Mitch can take a comfortable shot if he can't get all the way to the rim. And by being there he can still attack the boards.
And no you didn't say anything about Randle but its something I've heard, especially with the emergence of Bam. Its not farfetched either. Randle did have a pretty solid yr on the Pelicans at C. More efficient personally, fit in better on schemes. Nobody wants to see him play point forward but at C he is probably just as or more talented as Bam (I get its the defense that matters). Bam is just the better total package and seemingly a smarter player. But let's not act like Randle lacks talent. But yeah, that's not my choice. My choice is to start Mitch. I think it will result in regular season wins. Ifk bout the playoffs but we're so far from the playoffs IMO that by the time he gets there he might've learned a few things. But Im not trading him now because he's not everything we need him to be on a contender, when there are like 5 other things that need to go right even if Mitch were perfect.
